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    #886829 - 09/16/02 11:04 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

Ok my first attempt at growing shrooms.
I did read the FAQs and did it to the best of my ability
im new at that so its possible I may mess up but we all
learn from our mistakes, so here goes nothing. I used the
following:

28 ounce bag of brown rice, finished 2/3 of that bag.
1/2 pint plastic container with snap on lid. cylindar
shape with 1-1 height/width ratio.
approximately 1 pint plastic jar which deformed
and shrank to an approximate volume of 12 ounces
when I poured boiling water in it to sterilize it.
46 ounce glass pickle jar, poured boiling water
and the steam sterilized the upper parts. I also
shook the jar to splash the water as to ensure an even
sterilization. the 1/2 pint plastic container, I
simply held it directly over the steam that was raising
from the skimmering pan of brown rice. The steam should
take care of all bacteria.

next I closed the lids rather tightly after
adding 1/3 vermiculite(looks like potting soil)
and filled them with rice.

46 ounce jar-1/3 verm on bottom, 1/3 rice in middle layer
and the top layer clear. doesnt mycellum need air to breath?
16(12) ounce jar-1/3 verm, 1/2 rice, 1/6 air
same for the 8 ounce container. I know I need to let them
cool for 18-24 hours before adding the spores.
Ill have to open the lids for 15 seconds. will this
cause any problems? I wont change jars this time. Ill try to
get better jars next time, but for now ill have to see
how successful I am. anything I can do besides change jars to
improve my chances?


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #886892 - 09/17/02 12:14 AM (19 years, 6 days ago)

>the 1/2 pint plastic container, I
>simply held it directly over the steam that was raising
>from the skimmering pan of brown rice. The steam should
>take care of all bacteria.
Wishfull thinking... this is NOT the way it?s supposed to be done. Holding anyting into steam for a few seconds won?t do shit.

>adding 1/3 vermiculite(looks like potting soil)
Vermiculite doesn?t look anything like potting soil. Are you sure you got vermiculite?

>next I closed the lids rather tightly after
>adding 1/3 vermiculite(looks like potting soil)
>and filled them with rice.
You mean, after you filled it with rice you didn?t sterilize the jars anymore??

Man, sorry to tell you this, but this attemt will fail almost 100%.
It?s a very bad idea to experiemt on ones first try.

Follow the PF tek to the letter and DON`T experiment on your first attempt ! !


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #887234 - 09/17/02 04:50 AM (19 years, 6 days ago)

"we all learn from our mistakes"

You will soon be much wiser!

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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #887332 - 09/17/02 06:36 AM (19 years, 6 days ago)

This sounds like my first attempt.  I think you could follow the TEKs a little better.  When I tried to improvise it turned out horrible!  Take the time to sterilize, if you dont you have a (almost) zero percent chance of success with this growing method.  Better luck next time! :blush:


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: noisycricket]
    #887353 - 09/17/02 06:48 AM (19 years, 6 days ago)

I would stick to grinding your own flour and don't worry about those little chuncks of rice they will help.


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #887545 - 09/17/02 08:23 AM (19 years, 6 days ago)

To improve your chances, use the PF Tek and quit taking shortcuts. They will lead to nothing but contams unless you know what you are doing, and from the looks of it you have absolutely no clue. Read and know the PF Tek like the back of your hand. It isn't complicated. It isn't difficult. It is almost foolproof. Its cheap. Its easy. Why aren't you using it?


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: Anno]
    #887886 - 09/17/02 10:40 AM (19 years, 6 days ago)

"Wishfull thinking... this is NOT the way it?s supposed to be done. Holding anyting into steam for a few seconds won?t do shit."


If I put it directly in boiling water the jar melted! I put the glass jar in boiling water and no problem, but the plastic jar kinda melted! I thought bacteria was very senestive to heat?


"Vermiculite doesn?t look anything like potting soil. Are you sure you got vermiculite?"

she said its as good, if not better than verm. she also said it holds water very
well. isnt that the whole purpose?


"You mean, after you filled it with rice you didn?t sterilize the jars anymore??"


The rice and verm were already sterilized. first I poured boiling water into jar then I added verm into the boiling water which killed the bacteria and spores. then I added cooked brown rice to that. I made sure to sterilize the lid too.


"Man, sorry to tell you this, but this attemt will fail almost 100%.
It?s a very bad idea to experiemt on ones first try."

I agree with you but the glass jar was too big to put in pot and
I only had smaller jars in plastic. My dad thinks its a waste of money to buy
empty jars, so hes giving me the jars after the food contents in it are finished.
the 46 ounce jar used to contain pickles. theres also some 10 ounce tall jars with olives in them that ill use. these are made of glass.


"Why aren't you using it?"

dont have the right jars


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #887944 - 09/17/02 10:57 AM (19 years, 6 days ago)

Man, pouring boiling water over somthing doesn't sterilize it, you need to expose it to boiling temps for a prolonged period of time. A dozen 1/2 canning jars cost like $5 at walmart, its not a waste of money, and once you buy a dozen, you can use them over and over. This is the time for you to experience, not experiment.


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: Skikid16]
    #887959 - 09/17/02 11:06 AM (19 years, 6 days ago)

I went to walmart they didnt have canning jars, just these 1/2 pint plastic containers


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #888000 - 09/17/02 11:22 AM (19 years, 6 days ago)

If you go to walmart and ask somebody with a blue vest on, and they still don't have them, then get 12oz. (or whatever size) drinking glasses, key word GLASS, you need glass so you can properly sterilize your substrate by boiling or PCing. If you do use glasses, do a search and see how people have used glasses. Good luck, you'll need it.


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: Skikid16]
    #888023 - 09/17/02 11:30 AM (19 years, 6 days ago)

Man, does this guy really have 341 posts? Jeez...


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: Skikid16]
    #888066 - 09/17/02 11:52 AM (19 years, 6 days ago)

They only had plastic drinking cups. sucks eh? however I have two glass candle jars that appear to be 1/2 pint, except they have no lid. will placing heavy tape over the top do?


"Use any glass jars- just break the jar when theyre colonized.."

no one said anything about breaking the jars :frown: yea right.


" its also used to form a layer on top to stop contaminates from entering through the important AIR HOLES on top of a pf jar"

air holes? I just leave 1/3 of the top empty as an air chamber. bacteria can easily enter the verm and travel thru the spaces in the verm. also if I put verm on the top how will I inserminate the jars? the rice on top so I can drop spores onto the rice and not the verm?


"but theyre >in< the rice"

I cooked the rice 10 min, no way can they survive.




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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #888089 - 09/17/02 12:03 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

:laugh:


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #888091 - 09/17/02 12:04 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

Son, what in the hell are you talking about. Alright, enough of this.

1) there is NO, NO, I repeat NO way that Walmart wouldn't have had canning jars OR glass drinking glasses, I say bullshit to you, thats impossible.

As far as bacteria being able to work its way through the verm, well I agree that there is an off chance that you may have a contam or two get into your jars, but since verm has no nutrients, it would be much harder for it to reach your substrate.

What exactly does "inserminate the jars" mean, if you meant innoculate, its easier to do this with a syringe.

Serious before you waste anymore money on brf, plastic cups, and whatever the hell else you are throwing in there, you really should read a whole lot more. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you're just wasting your time. Good reading and good luck.


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: Skikid16]
    #888112 - 09/17/02 12:11 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

"there is NO, NO, I repeat NO way that Walmart wouldn't have had canning jars OR glass drinking glasses, I say bullshit to you, thats impossible."

I looked all over. maybe they were out of stock? I even asked and he couldnt find any. guess ill buy some from ebay or in the trades forum. they had glass drinking glass, but these have no lids and cost like $5 each. the plastic ones are 50 cents each. I have drinking glasses at home anyway.


"but since verm has no nutrients, it would be much harder for it to reach your substrate."


agreed, but what about the spaces in the verm? bacteria can just float down thru the spaces! the same way water can! and If I put verm on top, how will I inocculate the jars without getting the syringe dirty?




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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #888167 - 09/17/02 12:39 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

"I looked all over. maybe they were out of stock? I even asked and he couldnt find any. guess ill buy some from ebay or in the trades forum. they had glass drinking glass, but these have no lids and cost like $5 each. the plastic ones are 50 cents each. I have drinking glasses at home anyway."

You are trying to say that glasses cost $5 each, those are mighty nice glasses. If you can't find jars at walmart, try a grocery store. And as for the glasses not having lids, you use aluminum foil (I think, but use the search to be sure).

"agreed, but what about the spaces in the verm? bacteria can just float down thru the spaces! the same way water can! "

A contamination spore does not act like water, it falls and then tries to spread from there, much like your mushroom spores.

"and If I put verm on top, how will I inocculate the jars without getting the syringe dirty?"

Huh? Verm on your needle will not harm your project, just flame and rub with alcohol between jars. Like I said, I think it would be in your best intrest to read a whole shitload more before you procede.




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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: Skikid16]
    #888224 - 09/17/02 12:53 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

try any grocery store, I know that definitely carry it, I bought 12 jars for about $7. It comes in a case.


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #888260 - 09/17/02 01:01 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

http://doitbest.com/shop/dept.asp?dept_id=3112&redir=&mbrid=4724&mscssid=EULPRLDGRJSR2PNR00JP48NH7R4ND1VA&SAFE=1

BAM! 1 dozen 1/2 pint Ball canning jars with tapred edges $5.16. Order them. Use them. Love them.

Where in the world do you live that you cannot get canning jars and vermiculite? Anyway, there is no way Walmart would not have jars, or at least drinking glasses. They wouldn't be out of all of their glasses. As everyone has said before, what you are doing will not work. It will fail. It will contaminate. And why can't you break the jars? It isn't like they are sacred Chinese urns or anything. Besides, how do you expect to get your cake out? Anyway, if you are having trouble finding these things in the store, b/c maybe you live out in bumfuck North Dakota(which would probably explain a lot) all of the supplies you would want are available online if you do some searching of your own.

You know dude I really wonder about you. Not to flame you like I usually do, but you sure seem to have a proficient deficiency in common sense. Maybe mycology isn't for you. Maybe say coloring books are a hobby that is a little more up to your speed.


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #888263 - 09/17/02 01:02 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

Last suggestion:
- Get JARS or DRINKING GLASSES
- READ, UNDERSTAND and LEARN to USE the PF-tek ( www.fanaticus.com )
- READ http://www.fungifun.org/pf/pf_en.htm
- USE either one, or a combination of the above teks
- BE SUCCESSFULL, and DON?T try experimenting on your first try
- Read the FAQ ( www.shroomery.org/faq/ ) ! !


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: Anno]
    #888372 - 09/17/02 01:40 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

wow thanks for the link! very informative! I saw pics of verm, it looks like crushed stone, not soil like. Guess that lady was wrong. I asked her for verm and she said this is as good as verm in holding water.


as for jars, I now got the idea. you slide the cake out of the jar without breaking the jar, unless it wont slide out.

can cooked but uncrushed rice be used?


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #888393 - 09/17/02 01:44 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)



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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #888560 - 09/17/02 02:34 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

>can cooked but uncrushed rice be used?

For the PF tek you need brown rice flour, not whole rice.


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: daussaulit]
    #2549167 - 04/11/04 08:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I had a hell of a time finding canning jars. walmart: "wrong time of the year". grocery store: "what's canning jars". The ones i did find were wrong size or shape. Big Lots had 1/2pt wide mouth and qt narrow mouth for chronic, but i had to buy the 1/2 pt shorties online.


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #2550097 - 04/12/04 04:06 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think all of those " full figured women " are clouding your mind!


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #2596191 - 04/23/04 10:30 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Is this a joke?


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: LSAuser]
    #2628414 - 05/02/04 05:31 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

dude seriously what the fuck i would not recomend subsituting anything at all your first time growing, get brown rice flower. read the pf tek and follow it step for step. how do you have as many posts as you do and know as little as you do? i knew more than you before i even thought about growing. dude good luck spend a few hour reading every night like the rest of us had to or just find another hobby


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: DaturaEnigma]
    #5713864 - 06/05/06 04:42 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

WOW Is this guy still around? Or was this a joke? I haven't laughed this hard after reading something in a long time.


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: XbollweevilX]
    #5788081 - 06/25/06 01:28 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I got dizzy after reading this. I just couldnt believe someone just decided to grow and not even a minute later started posting all that bs without reading a f'ing thing. OMFG LOL


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: HoleSnype]
    #5788192 - 06/25/06 01:59 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:lol: Yeah, this thread's a classic.

I can't remember how I found it; I think it was in one of the searches that I did about 2 years ago, and I just had to put it in my sig.


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: Arrakis]
    #5789673 - 06/25/06 05:38 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I do agree that this experiment is doomed,but at the same time I know exactly what he is talking about as far as finding supplies.I did find jars at wall mart (After going to like 4 walmarts who didn't have them 1st)I never did to this day find brown rice flour and just gave up on looking and bought a coffee grinder.So OK those problems were solved.I am not exaggerating at all when I say that I went to at least a DOZEN garden centers asking for verm.NO one has it and more than half the people who work there have never even heard of it.As far as it seems to me it is like it just doesn't even exist in my area.I finally just ordered it online,But I hate running up my credit card so I always try looking in person 1st.


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Re: My best shot at growing-first time, first try! [Re: Blutjager]
    #5789779 - 06/25/06 06:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

if you cant/dont want to PC the jars, u can get some pretty cheap jars online

i got two for like 6$ and they are colonizing very fast


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