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Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday
    #8861650 - 09/01/08 04:37 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10029974-2.html

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e believe Kara Swisher of the All Things Digital blog was first to pick up on Google's official announcement: Chrome is real. It's not an elaborate hoax. It's a bona fide product and it will be available for download Tuesday. We'll have a hands-on review as soon as we get some time to explore the product.

So why the mystery? Human error, it appears. According to the official Google blog, "At Google, we have a saying: 'launch early and iterate.' While this approach is usually limited to our engineers, it apparently applies to our mailroom as well! As you may have read in the blogosphere, we hit 'send' a bit early on a comic book introducing our new open-source browser..."

Our previous coverage: Google 'starting from scratch' with own browser, Chrome.

Here's the full announcement, from the Google blog:

A fresh take on the browser

9/01/2008 02:10:00 PM

At Google, we have a saying: "launch early and iterate." While this approach is usually limited to our engineers, it apparently applies to our mailroom as well! As you may have read in the blogosphere, we hit "send" a bit early on a comic book introducing our new open source browser, Google Chrome. We will be launching the beta version of Google Chrome tomorrow in more than 100 countries.

So why are we launching Google Chrome? Because we believe we can add value for users and, at the same time, help drive innovation on the web.

All of us at Google spend much of our time working inside a browser. We search, chat, email and collaborate in a browser. And in our spare time, we shop, bank, read news and keep in touch with friends -- all using a browser. Because we spend so much time online, we began seriously thinking about what kind of browser could exist if we started from scratch and built on the best elements out there. We realized that the web had evolved from mainly simple text pages to rich, interactive applications and that we needed to completely rethink the browser. What we really needed was not just a browser, but also a modern platform for web pages and applications, and that's what we set out to build.

On the surface, we designed a browser window that is streamlined and simple. To most people, it isn't the browser that matters. It's only a tool to run the important stuff -- the pages, sites and applications that make up the web. Like the classic Google homepage, Google Chrome is clean and fast. It gets out of your way and gets you where you want to go.

Under the hood, we were able to build the foundation of a browser that runs today's complex web applications much better. By keeping each tab in an isolated "sandbox", we were able to prevent one tab from crashing another and provide improved protection from rogue sites. We improved speed and responsiveness across the board. We also built a more powerful JavaScript engine, V8, to power the next generation of web applications that aren't even possible in today's browsers.

This is just the beginning -- Google Chrome is far from done. We're releasing this beta for Windows to start the broader discussion and hear from you as quickly as possible. We're hard at work building versions for Mac and Linux too, and will continue to make it even faster and more robust.

We owe a great debt to many open source projects, and we're committed to continuing on their path. We've used components from Apple's WebKit and Mozilla's Firefox, among others -- and in that spirit, we are making all of our code open source as well. We hope to collaborate with the entire community to help drive the web forward.

The web gets better with more options and innovation. Google Chrome is another option, and we hope it contributes to making the web even better.

So check in again tomorrow to try Google Chrome for yourself. We'll post an update here as soon as it's ready.

Posted by Sundar Pichai, vice president of product management, and Linus Upson, engineering director




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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8862418 - 09/01/08 07:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i'll definitely try it when they release a linux version


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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8866853 - 09/02/08 04:30 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Google is taking over the universe. :eek:


Anyway....I'm gonna give it a go once it launches.  Sounds efficient!


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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: RuNE]
    #8867764 - 09/02/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

wow. using it now. it really is fast and fancy.

i'm sad to say that my firefox days might be over :sad:


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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: 0kehSt0nr]
    #8868141 - 09/02/08 07:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

just downloaded and installed, I have to say, its pretty slick.  So far so good.  I wonder how many apps I will have to check compatibility for at work if this becomes a supported browser, which im sure it will.

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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8868533 - 09/02/08 08:47 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I'm using it now. I like it, but would like add-ons. It's particularly faster with Gmail (big surprise). Hopefully, it will be more stable and have fewer memory leaks than FireFox as well - I haven't been using it long enough to know.

The only reason I downloaded it is that the location bar in Firefox 3.0 SUCKS, and is impossible to fix. There's no option to remove it, and the add-ons to fix it don't really work.

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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: phi1618]
    #8868561 - 09/02/08 08:50 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

shift + esc.

its the coolest ever.  Each tab is its own process, so if a page or a flash app locks up, you can kill that one page, without dropping the entire browser, and having to reload every other tab...pretty cool IMO...they also took built in javascript debugging from safari, which is nice, but hopefully something as feature rich as firebug will come along...

Time will tell how many plugins/addons will start rolling out for it.

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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8868629 - 09/02/08 09:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

wow, hadn't heard about this.

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wow. using it now. it really is fast and fancy.

i'm sad to say that my firefox days might be over :sad:




^This intrigues me, downloading it now.


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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: beebop]
    #8868776 - 09/02/08 09:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

read the terms and conditions

"By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services"


so dont use it for any original artistic works...just in case

also, since google owns doubleclick, don't be alarmed at the amount of advertisement you may or may not see


i think i will stick with firefox

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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: insectvhore]
    #8868897 - 09/02/08 09:48 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

ah. that sounds a bit sketch. :strokebeard:

and the rendering with chrome isn't the best yet. scores around a 77/100 to a 79/100 in http://acid3.acidtests.org/

i have no doubt it'll be fixed within the next couple of updates and will be flawless after this beta bullnanny. after all, google owns the interwebs.


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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: insectvhore]
    #8869643 - 09/03/08 12:48 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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read the terms and conditions

"By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services"


so dont use it for any original artistic works...just in case

also, since google owns doubleclick, don't be alarmed at the amount of advertisement you may or may not see


i think i will stick with firefox





Yes, but you can also get license to use google's IP by simply sending them a letter saying " I agree that I will use your copyrights and trademarks to further my spam campaign".

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9.2 Unless you have agreed otherwise in writing with Google, nothing in the Terms gives you a right to use any of Google’s trade names, trade marks, service marks, logos, domain names, and other distinctive brand features.




So just agree otherwise in writing with google :smile:

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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: supra]
    #8870957 - 09/03/08 10:37 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the suggestion - I didn't know about shift-esc. Still, last time I had trouble with firefox the whole thing crapped out, and I found it was taking about 2Gb(!!!) of RAM.
Don't get me wrong, I've been a long-time satisfied firefox user. The real reason I've switched is that version 3.0 totally fucked up my browsing habits with the new location bar, and doesn't provide an option to return to the old version.
Plus, so far Chrome seems pretty sweet. It's faster than Firefox, particularly for Gmail. The location bar is awesome, and overall the shortcut features it provides are easy to use and understand, and fit in to my usual browsing habits. I go to the same pages a lot, and otherwise search various engines. Being able to program shortcuts in the location bar for different search engines is a big plus - much more convenient than the special search bar with a drop down menu for different search engines.
If it weren't for the fact that the interface for Firefox 3.0 sucks donkey balls, I wouldn't have downloaded Chrome at all.
It's almost enough to make me believe in a conspiracy - Firefox pushes a shitty, obnoxious update at the same time as Google comes out with their new browser?

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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: phi1618]
    #8873099 - 09/03/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

>version 3.0 totally fucked up my browsing habits with the new location bar

are you talking about how it brings up your bookmarks when you start typing in the location bar?
that bugged the shit out of me too.
you can turn it off in about:config

does this help?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8689483#8689483'


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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: sherm]
    #8873720 - 09/03/08 08:33 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: sherm]
    #8874500 - 09/03/08 11:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I tried that - it still doesn't go back to how it was in 2.0 - I really like the fact that I can type m-enter and get to mail, or shr-enter for the shroomery. Google has an even better location bar than FF 2.0 - for the most part it's like FF 2.0, but you can enter search terms, and associate a string with a particular search engine. So, right now, I type "gf .inx" to search ".inx" on Google Finance. I like it.

Delta9 - I saw that linked all over creation, and am ignoring it for the time being.

I'm really liking Chrome, I don't think I'm going back.

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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: phi1618]
    #8874516 - 09/03/08 11:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Funny, I posted this and I still haven't gotten around to downloading it.

I couldn't care less about the "Google Owns Your Datums" thing.  I can't think of anything that I would be passing through the browser that I would consider "mine".  And it seems like the type of thing that Google will not be able to make stick.


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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: phi1618]
    #8875016 - 09/04/08 01:13 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Delta9 - I saw that linked all over creation, and am ignoring it for the time being.



Ignoring it is hardly the best idea...  We need to standup and tell them to get rid of this  bullshit.  You are completely fine with Google (sometimes illegally) providing itself with a full and complete license to do whatever the fuck they want with anything you transfer through chrome at no cost to them?  I am certainly not.


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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: delta9]
    #8876148 - 09/04/08 10:16 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

it appears that they changed it


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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: sherm]
    #8876178 - 09/04/08 10:22 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yep, good catch.

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A sharp commenter has alerted me to the fact that sometime yesterday, Google removed the portion of its licensing agreement for Google Chrome that caused users to essentially sign away the rights to their content. It has been replaced with this:

    You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.

That should allay any fears that Web-based entrepreneurs might have had about using the browser.





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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8877486 - 09/04/08 02:48 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Yep, good catch.

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A sharp commenter has alerted me to the fact that sometime yesterday, Google removed the portion of its licensing agreement for Google Chrome that caused users to essentially sign away the rights to their content. It has been replaced with this:

    You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.

That should allay any fears that Web-based entrepreneurs might have had about using the browser.









that was allready in their.


The issue was whether you give google to use your works free of charge, everywhere, forever, just cuz you sent something on the net.

Has this changed?

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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: johnm214]
    #8877503 - 09/04/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

If you hold the rights to stop them from doing that normally, then you retain that right now.

Isn't that what the thing says?


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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8877565 - 09/04/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Not if you transfer that right or grant it to another one.  Read the terms of contention above.

Yes you own the copyright, but you give up the right to exclusive use and duplication, so you might as well not own the copyright.  While you can still sell your work, as you own it, you cannot stopgoogle from using it or distributing it.


You were giving google the right to do whatever they want.  You upload your new book, now google can distribute it as it likes.  You upload your new photography set you were selling at a gallery, google can post it for free on its site.


Sucks not to mention the problems with privledged information.  You write something to your lawyer/priest/accountant and google gets to post it online or sell it in pamphlets.

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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: johnm214]
    #8877584 - 09/04/08 03:07 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I'm a little confused.  Did they not take all of that language out?

Isn't that the whole point of this blurb I posted, that they removed all of those things and replaced it with that one sentence?


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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8877684 - 09/04/08 03:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm a little confused.  Did they not take all of that language out?

Isn't that the whole point of this blurb I posted, that they removed all of those things and replaced it with that one sentence?





It sounds like that was the point, but I also don't know if they took it out.


What I was saying is I read the terms before yesterday and the "you retain your copyright"  was allready present.  So all I was saying was that that wasn't a replacement.  Now whether they ommited something or made the change earlier and people didn't catch it till now I don't know.



Edit:  Just checked and apparently they removed everything except that section you posted.


So they did fix it.



Google really stopped a cascade of disgruntled nerds with this one :thumbup:


I'm impressed.  It seems most companies wouldn't have acted so quickly to fix the PR problem.  People joke about taking over the world allready, and their growing so big they should be careful they don't get the public perception of microsoft or something.


So good they took that out :thumbup:

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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: johnm214]
    #8878147 - 09/04/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

They could have avoided the whole situation by not screwing up in the first place, but, yeah - I pretty much figured it was a screw up. I mean, what are they doing - sending all my outgoing traffic to some Google Central Intelligence Server or something?

Anyway, I like Chrome, but it's missing add-ons, and I'm really addicted to Firefox's search-by-typing setting.

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Re: Google to Introduce Web Browers "Chrome" on Tuesday [Re: phi1618]
    #8879315 - 09/04/08 08:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

technically they copy a shitload of copyrighted works as is, with their whole web page caching and everything.  They have even been sued over it once or twice...of course, they did not lose though, since it is simple to put a metadata tag in to tell the crawler not to index your page.

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