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OfflineAnonymousRabbit
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    #8859944 - 09/01/08 11:29 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8859949 - 09/01/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

palin is a hockey mom I fairly certain i know more about foreign policy than she does
possibly even anwar and alternative fuel
shes just a mother, although some moms are smart as fuck, shes not one of them


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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: Coaster]
    #8860037 - 09/01/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

So this chick is apparently as dumb as a box of rocks.

I can't wait 'till they make her debate Biden.

Although you can rest assured that all of the idiot Republicans will love the fact that she is clueless.  They will say "See, she's just a regular person!" because they don't know any of this shit either.


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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8860043 - 09/01/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I do believe the founding fathers had quite a lot to say about god.


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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8860066 - 09/01/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Jon Adams said:
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there  were no religion in it."





Quote:

James Madison said:
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."





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Thomas Jefferon said, of George Washington:
"Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself."





Keep your God out of my Country.


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    #8860074 - 09/01/08 11:52 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8860095 - 09/01/08 11:56 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8860126 - 09/01/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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supernovasky said:

    11.  Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

    SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance





Let me offer a different POV.

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Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance?




Quote:

Not on your life. If it (God) was good enough for the founding fathers




Could she have been defending the right to have the term "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, since many have wanted to edit the term "under God" from the PoA.


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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8860142 - 09/01/08 12:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Zappa, totally and completely not the issue.
This has to do with BASIC American history.




If, being the shill that you are, you chose to interpret her words that way, go for it.  That is not the only interpretation possible.  Nor even likely.


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    #8860144 - 09/01/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8860182 - 09/01/08 12:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Under god was not in the original pledge of allegiance. It was added in 1954.
So no, the phrase "under god" was not "good enough" for our founding fathers, and to pretend the question had ANYTHING to do with the founding fathers is pointless.

Furthermore, the united states is NOT a constitutionally christian nation. Many of our founding fathers were NOT christians, and the treaty of tripoli shows that the majority of the congress at the time believed the US was "not based on the Christian religion".



Weird, I always thought that most of America's founding fathers were members of a Religious Fraternity, I wonder why I thought that:shrug:


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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8860183 - 09/01/08 12:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I agree she sounds stupid.  Anyone who knows anything about this country should know that the pledge didn't have god in it when it was first promulgated and that neither the pledge nor anthem were in existance at the birth of the country.  This issue has been debated SO MUCH in the popular press I fail to see how she has any excuse for not knowing of it.


Either way, who cares?


Yes the pledge violates the first amendment.  I don't really care though, and it is one of those de minnimus things that should be changed, but that any attempt to change it would invoke a nutty backlash worse than the pledge.

I'm just frustrated by folks who don't know the god parts of some of our songs were inserted politically after the fact.


THis is the one area where I didsagree with the ACLU on their lawsuits, generally.  I agree the pledge should change.  I don't think it should be pursued legally though, even though such a suit should rightly be successful.


THe ignorant religious will decide people are being revisionist and go batshit crazy, and the last thing this country needs is a jesus freak movement trying to force god moreso into public life.

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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: johnm214]
    #8860206 - 09/01/08 12:15 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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johnm214 said:

THe ignorant religious will decide people are being revisionist and go batshit crazy, and the last thing this country needs is a jesus freak movement trying to force god moreso into public life.




Uh, you're a bit late.

Such a movement is alive and well and should be fought with every weapon at our disposal.

Turning this country in a theocracy, the stated goal of a large portion of the Republican party, would be a disaster unparalleled in history.


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    #8860256 - 09/01/08 12:24 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8860263 - 09/01/08 12:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think he was being sarcastic.

Of course, my sarcasm-o'-meter may be broken.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8860304 - 09/01/08 12:33 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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supernovasky said:
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Weird, I always thought that most of America's founding fathers were members of a Religious Fraternity, I wonder why I thought that




Do you dispute that many of our founding fathers were not christian, and that the United States is not founded upon christianity? Because all you have to do is read the Treaty of Tripoli, voted on by many of the founding fathers, which stated unequivocally, "The United States is not in any sense founded upon the Christian religion."



I should have been more specific, the fraternity requires a belief in God, not any specific God ie a Christian God.

So, to clarify, the fraternity is a theistic fraternity, never have I mentioned Christianity until this reply, and never have I implied that any founding father was a Christian.

Just because someone believes in God doesn't mean they're Christian.


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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: Chemy]
    #8860955 - 09/01/08 02:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

You speak of the Freemasons.  There is a requirement that a Mason must hold belief in a God.

I don't know if you could go so far as to call that a 'religious' fraternity.  It is meant to be broad in interpretation, not restrictive or exclusive.

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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: Chemy]
    #8861066 - 09/01/08 02:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with Chemy. She's just talking about the phrase "under God" in general, which was used rather liberally by the founding fathers.


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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8861369 - 09/01/08 03:52 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

That's a bit of a stretch. The question was clearly about "under god" in the pledge.
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11.  Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

    SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance




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Re: Palin believes the founding fathers wrote the pledge! [Re: zouden]
    #8861626 - 09/01/08 04:34 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

It's not a stretch at all. She could easily be saying that if the phrase "under God" was good enough for the founding fathers then it is good enough for her. Alternatively she could be saying that if the Pledge of Allegiance was good enough for the founding fathers then it was good, in which case she would be stupid.

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