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Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment?
    #885046 - 09/16/02 07:51 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Today is Yom Kippur, High Holy Day of Judaism. Observant Jews of all denominations will make some attempt to keep this day in remembrance. Some will be fasting, and spending the day in the synagogue, pretty much like the average 'Christian' attends church on Christmas, and the equivalent Holy Day, Easter. For mainstream Christians, atonement for the sins of Mankind was made once and for all by the self-sacrificial death of the 'Lamb of God,' Jesus. The written of 'veil' covering the Holy of Holies in the Jerusalem temple, ripped from top to bottom - from Heaven to Earth, at the moment when Jesus died. A symbolic and a metaphysical 'rending' of the cosmos is said to have occurred during the moment when Jesus 'passed over,' when His 'At-one-ment' with God became total. That rending-of-the-plane allowed for Eternal Forgiveness to flow from God to the Earth, absolving all of us of our evil, if we ask for it. So much for Christian doctrine. This historical event is more importantly a 'psychocosmic' event that is supposed to occur in the Holy of Holies in each believer - in one's Heart (He Art).

I am a marginal Jew at best, and rejected by Jews as an 'apostate,' a heretic, because I regard Jesus (Y'shua) as the Messiah. Although there are no students in the school where I work today, I went in. I am home for lunch, and going back
to work to finish Gershom Scholem's book 'On the Mystical Shape of the Godhead,' which is a fabulous book on the basic teachings of the Kabbala. Scholem says little about Christian doctrine, but as one reads this Kabbalistic and at times Gnostic material, one can see how certain curious Christians read and adapted the material to Christianity.

Lots of Jews I know have zero spirituality in their lives, but come hell-or-high-water, they're gonna be in temple today, even if tickets cost $200.00! Meanwhile, I'm the 'no-goodnick' because I didn't think that fasting for one day was gonna absolve me of all the sins and selfishness that I'm about every year (any more than going to church on Easter is gonna do much either), so I left mainstream Judaism in a quest for Truth. If a person isn't continually looking at themselves with the goal of self-knowledge, then the ultimate goal of Knowledge of God will be quite impossible. One day a year searching one's soul leaves 364 days unattended to. God does not dwell in filthy places, and since it is our Psychospiritual interiors, our Heart of Hearts, which makes for the 'mercey seat' upon which the Holy Spirit of God comes to dwell, the inner discipline is to keep our inner lives 'well swept.'

I seem to confuse people, but I don't mean to. I want to Realize the saying I picked up in seminary: 'The New Testament is concealed in the Old Testament; the Old Testament is revealed in the New Testament.' As long as people take artificial sides, exclude each other in the outer world; they'll never ever Realize the Oneness of Truth, or why the one Bible contains both sets of Scriptures.

I am not addressing this to anyone out there who has merely rejected the whole picture that I am describing, so if you respond with mere criticism, I'm not going to respond anyway. I suppose this is more attempt on my part to dig deeper into existing form, looking for the Treasure of Truth, and looking for others who want to dig, not just walk away from the obvious.


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #885134 - 09/16/02 08:35 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you Markos. I do not find this thread or you confusing anymore. You have explained yourself sufficiently to me that I can understand you as well as I am able in this medium.

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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: ]
    #885211 - 09/16/02 09:18 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i wonder how mr.mushrooms opinion would have differed if we were all moderators,i am sorry mr.mushrooms if all of a sudden you have had a sudden change of heart, i do not count that possibility out. Further tomy point i wonder how long swami would last as moderator before he either went insane or nuts.

Spirituality, philosophy, and old paradigm politics.


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #885319 - 09/16/02 10:06 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

> if you respond with mere criticism, I'm not going to respond anyway

MERE CRITICISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: pattern]
    #885345 - 09/16/02 10:15 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Forget what i said i was just testing to see if that reply would come up,using the illusions, it feels as though i am talking to myself with all of you. in a sense i am validating my observations through experience.

What i have caused, is myself to demonstrate ego and experienced the effect of my cause.

peace>


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: ]
    #885361 - 09/16/02 10:20 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for your response. Whether you agree or disagree with the position is not as important as a corroboration of my attempts to clarify my position to others.


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #885412 - 09/16/02 10:38 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Every position has validility, as every opinion is within the alpha and omega. However it would be of great spiritual profit to constantly come from a place of love, not ego, that is the message here, a message we all need to heed.

many are caught in the time warp that for love to be experienced, fear must be in place also, this is illusion. the illusion is necassary most profitably within memory, not present experience, this is the whole purpose for physical exsistance, the illusion as a contextual field,not an eternally physical reality. it is time now to leave behind the illusions. to do this come from a place of love within yourself and soon it will begin to project unto others, yours will be the light that truly heals the world. The voice in CWG is your voice, say cheese, you are on camera.


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" liken this life illusory, for your sand castle will one day be adrift amongst the wind "




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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #885431 - 09/16/02 10:46 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

No change of heart or mind.

It's all good baby.


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: ]
    #885484 - 09/16/02 11:10 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

The whole problem i see right now on this site is that all of us are trying to do our way to mastery by trying to influx vast amounts of knowledge. You are seeking to escape the illusion from within the illusion, everyone here is doing this. it will serve you to move out of your mind and into a state of being, allowing god to flow through you, not you trying to swim upstream to god. "Stop telling me your truth so i can start telling you mine". This is what he meant.

You will become the stream of eternal wisdom when you simply choose to step outside of the illusions. This is the secret: you step outside by moving inside to your energy centres.


You are constantly meditating on a white light encompassing them, once you have glimpsed liberation you will know what to do as you will begin having your own conversation with god as I. You will literally feel the love within and you will begin projecting it outward, because this is your natural state. Just look at the way Hot diffuses into cold. Life is its own metaphor. Your grandest vision awaits you and grander still spiralling into eternity and foreverafter.

i love you all with all my heart

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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #885664 - 09/16/02 01:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Just let go, and let God.


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #885735 - 09/16/02 02:39 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Mark,
Not criticism, but you are no longer a jew. If you accept Jeshua as Mosiach, then you have commited the sin of worshipping a false messiah, according to the texts.
There is no charge for services today. They will not turn anyone away. I agree with what you stated that "everyone is jewish today". I don't pretend to be an observant jew, but I do know the laws.
And I do take offense in what you say here because although I don't believe in or practice Judaism, nothing pisses me off more than others denouncing the original religion, the one that christianity bases itself on.:
"Lots of Jews I know have zero spirituality in their lives, but come hell-or-high-water, they're gonna be in temple today, even if tickets cost $200.00! Meanwhile, I'm the 'no-goodnick' because I didn't think that fasting for one day was gonna absolve me of all the sins and selfishness that I'm about every year (any more than going to church on Easter is gonna do much either), so I left mainstream Judaism in a quest for Truth. "

Most jews have a great deal of spirituality. And secondly, what makes you feel that "mainstream Judaism is false and "christianity" is truth. I think they're both full of shit. You stepped out of mud and into shit by swapping religion. That's my criticism part.

Peace to you (traitor!)  :laugh:
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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #885799 - 09/16/02 03:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

it feels as though i am talking to myself with all of you.



maybe it's because you ARE talking to yourself? we are all ONE and the same entity... experiencing itself in infinite different ways...

oh and vibrant! have you read "communion with god" by neale donald walsh? it certainly looks like it... every single illusion of mankind is explained in detail in that book... and i know you'll agree with me that we should not destroy the illusions, but merely recognize them as what they are and start using them to create our experiences...


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: In(di)go]
    #885861 - 09/16/02 04:19 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I'd just like to let you guys know that I won't be joining your "cult of one".

We're not all one. This statement is based on the metaphysical assumption that there is a metaphysical aspect to existence... that there is a divine nature to reality. As such, that statement is grounded in faith... not reason. And I have just one thing to say about that: Faith that isn't blind, isn't faith.


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #885881 - 09/16/02 04:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Are you distinguishing all actions as political, in the sense that we aren't isolated and are actions are continually effecting our planetary evolution of consciousness, as opposed to belief systems which do not validate our moment-by-moment actions and idealize Truths that we actually are more readily willing to exploit?


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: Sclorch]
    #885900 - 09/16/02 04:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I'd just like to let you guys know that I won't be joining your "cult of one".

Your already in it, you just don't know it.  :grin: 


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: Adamist]
    #885911 - 09/16/02 04:39 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Your already in it, you just don't know it


khiiiiiihihihihihih  :tongue:


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: Sclorch]
    #886003 - 09/16/02 05:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Party pooper! :tongue:


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #886022 - 09/16/02 05:08 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

For after all there is but one great Heart
Which beats our own,
And we must rise to fairer realms
Where we atone,
At-one with all that really lives,
For paradise is Life that gives


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #886067 - 09/16/02 05:22 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Vibrant.. i feel like i could completely let go if i wanted.. like turning on a light switch...
but there is something holding me back.. and im not sure what... fear? or something else..

maybe cuz i know once im there i will never look back.. and im afraid ill leave something behind. something more worthwhile than complete peace and harmony..?


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Re: Day of Atonement, or Day of At-one-ment? [Re: Grav]
    #886079 - 09/16/02 05:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Take care not to make me enter
Cuz if I do we both may disappear...


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