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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: EM455]
    #20962732 - 12/11/14 04:12 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I have seen this method work well. I prefer the juice though, strangely enough it feels more natural. Don't get me wrong though it makes my stomach churn


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: EM455]
    #20962999 - 12/11/14 05:04 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: saralove]
    #20963190 - 12/11/14 05:51 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Just so you guys know this thread is 6 years old :rofl: also
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2. Skin cactus using only the outer waxy green skin (inner white core causes nausea)




Thats a myth that the inner core causes nausea, Mescaline even in pure form is nauseating. If you plan on doing a tea using the whole cactus skin core and all is the best bet for a enjoyable trip as the core still contains some mescaline and other cacti phenylamines such as hordenine.

another thing.
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saralove said:
Waay too complicated.




Not really if you understand how to do the procedure that is outlined in the tek, pure mescaline is also easier to dose then cacti due to the variability of potency between species.

last question

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Capsule dosage

Novice 5

Intermediate 10

Experienced 15+

Onset 1 hour +/- also metabolism activated

Duration 6, 12, 24, 48, 72+ hours on abnormally high dosages.

Use wisely.





how have you worked these capsule doses out and what size caps are we talking? 000, 00 or 0? they seem way way off from what i have come to learn from personal experience and i use 00 caps which will hold a little over half a gram each. I find doses of dried cacti flesh to be around the 25grams to 30grams for a moderate to heavy trip and thats a minimum 40 capsules of cactus. I've Also never heard of a cacti trip that lasted less then 8hours of tripping and a 2 to 3hour comeup...


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: newageshaman]
    #20963301 - 12/11/14 06:19 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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That's a myth that the inner core causes nausea, Mescaline even in pure form is nauseating.






All are free to experiment themselves.  Brew one with, one without, in my experience along with many others,  the core causes nausea.  I disagree that it's a myth.  I learned how to dissect and brew at Napusamai, Ecuador with DLY ( I respect not to mention his full name)

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...using the whole cactus skin core and all is the best bet for a enjoyable trip.




Again, I disagree.

All those who have much experience with variations of ingestion as well as have worked with a few indigenous tribes will advise against the core.

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Not really if you understand how to do the procedure that is outlined in the tek...






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I've Also never heard of a cacti trip that lasted less then 8hours






I suggest you evolve deeper with mescaline.


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: saralove]
    #20963502 - 12/11/14 07:19 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

well obviously you didn't even read the full statement i made, it's all well and good you got to go to south america to brew san pedro but the fact still remains that the core is only rumoured to cause nausea and even pure mescaline is nauseating :rolleyes:. good enough reasoning for me as i have done brews with both whole cactus and just outer flesh, using full cactus made the brew more powerful and last longer which for me which makes sense as it contains mescaline and other alkaloids. To add insult to injury i have never vomitted on mescaline cacti with or without core except once in my early days of brewing due to inproper straining.

how about answer the question you were asked about your capsule dose? cause now i will point out that even if you used 0 caps 15 of them would only contain 15gs of cactus. that would only be a threshold dose at best miss Mescalito  :huxleyfacepalm: so instead of just acting like you know your shit actually provide something of value to the mescaline discussion.

seems you have less experience with cactus then you'd like to make out :havesomesantorum:, unless you actually answer the questions i asked in my original reply don't bother cause i don't have the time to argue with those who think they know it all :fuckyou:


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: newageshaman]
    #20963596 - 12/11/14 07:50 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

are you serious? even mescaline HCL is nauseating? how nauseating? I dont doubt you, but I thought the whole point to go thrue the extraction was to not get nauseated.
I like talking to you shaman,as it motivate me to do my high dosage trip I wanted to do for a long time. I have my dose prepared for 6 month now. Im in a 2 weeks drug break, so not next week, but the other, I will do my 1000 mg trip!

I mean, for me, mescaline is the best feeling in the world, a pure anti depressant, a godly medicine, but the nauseating aspect is very disturbing...

also, in my experience, and I have quite a lot of years of experience with mescaline, I have never taken a trip that didn't last at least 12 hours Saralove.

ALL, every trip that I had and I could say maybe I have tripped 20 times, I couldnt sleep before 18 hours of my dose.
its clock wise and always like that, my friends also.
3 hours come up
7 hours peak/plateau
4 hours of gradual come down
3 hours of just waiting to go to sleep

something like that.

72 hours? wtf, it sounds just ridiculous to me. like just impossible. sorry, but its not true. the metabolism and the way the compound interact with your body cannot last that long. even 48 hours and even 24 hours seems like a stretch.


I have rea report of +++/++++ mescaline dosage, and nobody mention 24 hours of tripping.

pelease explain saralove what you mean by that...


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: youknowyou]
    #20963603 - 12/11/14 07:52 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Sara: would you care explain what did you learn about brewing the cactus? any tips? have you done a thread about that? very cool and interesting!!!! please provide more info and tips on how to prepare the cactus.


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: newageshaman]
    #20963620 - 12/11/14 07:55 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Classy.

Thank you for your time.

Next.


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: saralove]
    #20963681 - 12/11/14 08:04 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Classy.

Thank you for your time.

Next.



? are you talking to me or newageshaman?


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: saralove]
    #20963707 - 12/11/14 08:07 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

pure mescaline regardless of it being HCL, acetate or citrate is bitter and can cause nausea, a quick google search would provide you with the answer you seek as it is one of the most documented psychedelic substances I know of other then LSD. Not all people will experience nausea from pure mescaline the same as not all people get nauseous from whole cactus or tea, I wouldn't say 20 cacti experiences is alot personally but what is it but a number :shrug:

saralove hasn't provided any real information other then she believes the core of the cactus causes nausea, what supposedly makes the core anymore nauseating then the rest of the cactus? its got the same alkaloids as the outer flesh, only difference is mescaline is not the major alkaloid in the core. So there is no proof at all the core will cause any more nausea then the outer flesh, they all contain the same alkaloids in different quantities which means that it will be no more nauseating with or without core.


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: newageshaman]
    #20963747 - 12/11/14 08:14 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

also so you know what i mean by 20 not being alot of cacti trips, i have usedd cactus about 30+ times. About 10 or more where learning curves in that i was figuring out how to prepare the cactus, they would end in me not getting any psychoactive effects at all and most of the time it came down to cacti genetics or consuming immature cacti. Now saralove still hasn't provided any detail at all of her experience other than she supposedly trained under a shaman, now forgive me i don't believe everything i read on an open forum :rolleyes:


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: newageshaman]
    #20963755 - 12/11/14 08:16 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I have made and taken ultra pure mescaline hcl.recrystalized many times. no matter which salt you make it is always EXTREMELY bitter, probably the worst thing I have ever tasted, very harsh on the gut as it breaks down slowly and works its way inside your every cell.

I recommend fasting, the vomiting is terrible, you will expel anything inside your stomach usually. All of this is with high doses (500mg+)

ROA, stomach contents, diet, MAOI, set and setting all play huge roles in the effects but its such a powerful substance it always has kind of the same base line for psychedelic effects.

Oh and if you want an easy way to cactus without buying or growing cactus look for the botanic name of psychoactive cactus "incense", like lophorha willemsi incense, etc. you can buy kg's of the stuff it's perfectly legal everywhere except USA I think..


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: newageshaman]
    #20963770 - 12/11/14 08:20 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

:smile:

no problem newageshaman

me too, the first couple of times, I dosed very mild, like 10g, then 15, then 20. until I found a trustable source. I used to go in my local shop and pay ridiculous amount for peruvianus.


I'm ready for a serious commitment and high dose, but damn, I fear the nausea. vomitting will be assured at this dosage.

we will see!

so far, at 700mg, I was able to not vomit, but I spent three four time on the toilet just shitting my life. I think you vomit if you eat a lot of meat, im close to a vegetarian and have a very healthy diet, maybe that helps. but I vomitted one time with tea. so I think it comes down to how you ingest it really.

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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: youknowyou]
    #20964036 - 12/11/14 09:25 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

To know one in particular.........

newageshaman speaks the truth about mescaline, in all forms, being nauseous. It activates the receptor that makes you puke.

Funny hearing that the core is now the cause of nausea, a few years ago the outer waxy layer was to blame. The internet's a funny beast.......

One extracts mescaline in its many acid forms so one doesn't have to consume a lot of bitter tasting juice. It's also easier to weigh out an exact dose as people experienced with cactus know they're quite variable.

Use the entire cactus, don't be wasteful because of hearsay.


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: muistrue]
    #20994397 - 12/18/14 02:22 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

much appreciated homie (:


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: EM455]
    #24215235 - 04/03/17 12:37 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you very much


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