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Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):(
    #8847476 - 08/29/08 01:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Hello! Im new on shroomery (I registered last night) but Ive been reading the forums and looking for some information for a while now. Im new with ethnogens too,(Ive been doing drugs for a long time, since i was 13 but only stuff like coke, XTC,weed and a little crack here and there (joking about the crack) among others, no ethnogens though; until now) I just have been doing them for a couple of months: tried panaelous cyanescens shrooms twice (they are great) and amanita muscaria (cool too) plus recently tried to do some peruvian torch but didnt really work (had some tecnical problems, ill try again though, i will not give up on that one). I just meant to introduce myself since it is my first post :smile:

Anyway, the thing is, I dream of extracting some pure mescaline
¨needles¨(just like the ones on erowids mescaline vault here:  )

Im not getting all those mescaline extractions teks though, I mean they all seem the same, and still so different from each other(Ive read most of the teks here on shroomery and those on erowid).

So let me tell you what I DID understand before I ask my questions:
(please correct if wrong):

There are two kinds of extraction: A simple one with alcool or iso, or petroleum ether,or naphta or both peutroleum-based and ethanol-like chemicals in different stages of the extraction(im not even sure anymore) but you dont get mescaline just some kind of dark paste containning a mix of alkaloids: pan pedro (or pan torch xD maybe?)

The other kind of tek (which is more complex and involves harder chemicals) seems to be an extraction based on a Acid/Base reaction,
resulting in freebase mescaline. Or you can do an acidic extraction and the resulting mescaline depends on the acid used ( mescaline acetate, sulfate, hydrochloride or citrate, depending on the acid used as said above).

Id like to extract either freebase mescaline or mescaline hydrochloride (they seem the better options, unless you recomend otherwise)

-so WHAT IS THE BEST TEK???

It kinda confuses me how different versions of ¨the same tek¨, using the same reactifs can be different. I mean there cant be so many ways to get the same product out of the same reactifs. Maybe only some little details vary, but when playing with that kind of chemestry I guess every little detail counts (specially if your going to consume the final product). So again, What is the BEST WAY of getting freebase mescaline or mescaline hydrochloride out of dried cacti?

-Why are there that many posts about different teks out there if there are not so many possible products?

-almost every tek warns about risks of explosion or ¨hurting kids, pets and people¨ but they dont really say how to AVOID such risks.

that scares the hell out of me, i would certainly not want to blow my house off plus my mom would fucking kill me if I did, in case shes still alive after the explosion :frown: xD

I know some basic chemestry stuff but Im just 18, not even in college yet. I took a year and some months off after high school :laugh: to experiment real life, little did I know that experimenting real life involved chemestry as well lol my fav subject at school (not being sarcastic, it really was my fav subject, ive been a frustrated chemist since i was like 3 xD)I still feel im not skilled enough or have enough knowledge...

-Is it realistic to attempt the extraction in my case or do I need to study some other stuff, read some books etc?

-Would me, my family and my house be safe if I just read and fallow the safety instructions that come with the chemicals, study and research the chemicals on the net, use gloves(what kind should I use?), adecuate clothing and stuff like that?

-can the extractions be done outside on the shade lets say like in a open garage just to assure the best possible ventilation? or isnt ventilation such a big deal? is it enough to open a window or two then?
Would near neighbours smell something and suspect im doing some weird illegal thing? xD (this whole post is hipotetical by the way xD)


Well I had some other questions but ive written this long post and read so so many teks that I just forgot my other questions(the most important ones)...ill probably remember them later as you answer me :smile:

one last thing though, I found this tek on youtube, I wonder if it is a good one because Id rather learn from a video than just reading and that is because I learned chemestry in french (french school, long story) and spanish is my mother language... Im not too good at english though, and there arent really good teks in french or spanish out there probably only translation which end up beeing worse than mine. I do understand english but it gets complicated when talking about chemestry, glassware, chemicals and tecnical things...I mean, I spent 3 days trying to figure out what a turkey baster was!!! I thought it was just something you americans used to prepare your turkey for thanks giving or christmas xD(I imagined all kinds of weird monstruous machinery always with a big fat raw turkey inside of them) no kidding xD we call that a ¨little pear¨ (perita) here, and its used to drain mucus out of little kids or elders lol..(unless im wrong again)...just to show you how language changes things sometimes making translations a little awkward...(and I bet ¨little pear¨ sounds as weird to you as turkey baster sounded to me, probably even weirder) And that is why a video with the right tek would REALLY help.

this is the tek i was talking about before:


its a two part video you can find the second part from there.

If you read this whole thing, well....THANKS A LOT

I only ask so many questions because I want to be on the safe side, plus get high quality product in a responsible, mature,smart, respectful way with all the possible knowledge I can get beforehand.

I wouldnt do anything unless im 100% sure of what im attempting to do (again hipotecally).

thanks again!


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: EM455]
    #8847592 - 08/29/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Welcome to the shroomery!

I think you're only supposed to use the tek icon if your actually posting a tek though.

Still, I'm sure someone will be able to help.  I haven't done any mesc. extractions yet.


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: EM455]
    #8848086 - 08/29/08 03:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks :smile: sorry for the icon, I didn't know since i'm new here, but i'll try to learn the forum rules and specificities as fast as I can.:cool:


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: EM455]
    #8884730 - 09/05/08 11:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Anybody else? :frown:


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: EM455]
    #8884741 - 09/05/08 11:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

edit: nevermind, i should have read the entire thread first lol

good luck finding an easy tek for such an advanced trick


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: EM455]
    #8884762 - 09/05/08 11:26 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I would say, pick one that has chems you can easily obtain.



BUT I would also say, dont do it until you move out.

There is some risk of chemical burns and explosions or inhalation of vapors.

If you arent an idiot........ It should be easy to avoid these things before you are comotose on the floor from inhaling too much xylene while your hand is being acid burned from the spilt hydrochloric acid and the kitchen is on fire.........




You should wait until you move out, unless your mom is cool with it, ventilation is important, caution with chems is important.


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: EM455] * 1
    #8884771 - 09/05/08 11:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Heres the easiest and most straight forward tek to obtain mescaline hcl. If you can bake a cake, you can extract mescaline. If you have any questions or problems post in that thread and I or one of the other knowledgeable people here will help you out. Good luck! :sun:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4751368#4751368


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: Shad0w]
    #8884773 - 09/05/08 11:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Oooo I forgot about the lye ..... prob more of a threat than the hydrochloric acid. You add wayyy to much and the glass explodes.....


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: Shad0w]
    #8884774 - 09/05/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Ya basically, if you can follow directions...... You will be ok...... just be careful.

And you should really find someplace other than your moms kitchen to do it.


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: muistrue]
    #8884779 - 09/05/08 11:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I just realized that you haven't been here long enough to view the other drugs forum, so I'll copy the tek here for you.

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Ekstaza said:
I've put this out in other threads, but I wanted it to show up immediately if a search for mescaline extraction is conducted, so here it is.

Try this extraction tek. It's the simplest full extraction that I've found. It doesn't require a seperatory funnel  and it's written in simple step-by-step recipe style wording.

Things you'll need:



1.at least 2 glass or HDPE(should show a triangular recycle symbol with a 2 inside of it somewhere on the bottom) plastic jugs or jars. HDPE is preferred because strong lye solutions will etch glass and cause it to break eventually. I know first hand.

2. 100% pure lye (reagent grade is best if you can get it)

3. Muriatic acid (HCL or hydrochloric acid)

4. Acetone

5. Xylene

6. turkey baster

7. a glass or stainless steel funnel

8. cotton balls

9. a short piece of fish tank air tubing

all easy to get items (use NO aluminum)

You should not use any type of open flame at any point during this extraction.
Use adequate ventilation at all times.

Preparing your cactus
You'll want to begin with dry powdered cactus if you can. You can dry slices of cactus in the oven with low heat and then use a coffee grinder to powderize it.
NOTEI've experience a severe reaction to breathing the powder. It screws up my sinuses for a week or two. I'd suggest using a face mask to prevent it being inhaled. Also I have noticed irritation to the eyes if the dust comes in contact with them. Be careful.

Extracting
Prepare a solution of lye water by slowly mixing together 1 TBS of lye for every pint(8 TBS/gallon) of cold water that you think you'll need to completely cover you dry cactus. This will produce a little heat so don't be alarmed. Just swirl it around slowly as you add the lye a little at a time. This is what I will refer to as base or basic water.

Next add you dry cactus powder(100grams of powder in each gallon jug was used for this extraction). Mix the contents thoroughly to ensure that you expose all of the powder to the basic water.


Now add about a pint or so of xylene to the mix. You want enough of a layer to be able to draw off the xylene with the turkey baster later. Shake it all up and let it sit for an hour. This is what it will look like just after shaking.


If after an hour you can see that the xylene layer is separating back out, fine, if not, add a little more pre-made basic water and check again. Now shake it back up and put it away for 24 hours (every second of it).
This is after three hours.



24 hours later, you want to draw off the xylene so now you need to use the turkey baster to suck it up and put it in a new jar(a mason jar works fine). You don't want any of the water from beneath the xylene to come with it.

The way that you draw up the xylene without it dripping back into the jug is the put about 6" of fish tank air tubing in the end of the baster. You may have to cut a bit on the baster to get it to fit, but be careful not to cut too much as you need the tube to fit snug.
When drawing xylene out you should keep one hand on the bulb of the baster and one on the tube for maximum control of the tube and so that you can pinch the tube with your thumb and forefinger while lifting it out of the jug.


and put it into your salting bottles.

(You want to rinse the turkey baster and the tubing thoroughly after each use with hot water)

Optional Additional Cleaning step (Originally left out of the pictoral because I do not perform this task. This step helps to remove some of the chlorophyl and plant fats from the xylene.)
Add lye water, about 1/4 the volume of your xylene, to the xylene in the salting bottles/jars. Give this a good shake and allow it to settle back out into two layers. It's  probably best to let it sit for a few hours to separate completely. Place the bottle/jar into the freezer and allow the lye water to freeze solid. Once the water is frozen solid, pour off the xylene into another container suitable for salting.

Salting
Now you want to mix your acid water in order to dilute it to the proper strength you want. Be very careful not to breath the vapors that come out of the bottle when you open it. HCL comes very strong and it will burn you.

You want to add approximately 4-6 drops of HCL acid to 1.5 cups of water.
Slowly add this acid water to the xylene while gently swirling the liquids around in the jar. Add just enough to make a half inch or so layer beneath the xylene.


Don't worry that you won't get all of the goods because the xylene is going back into the extraction bottle and you'll get another shot at what you missed before. Put the lid on the jar and shake it all up. Wait a few minutes and shake again.

Once it has returned completely to a separated state loosen the lid on the jar and place it in the freezer. You want the bottom layer(the acid water) to now freeze solid. The xylene will not freeze. Once the water is frozen, work quickly and pour the xylene back into the extraction bottle.

With the water still frozen solid, pour in a little warm water and swirl around and discard quickly. This helps get rid of a little more residual xylene. The rest will evaporate later.

Repeat the extraction and salting steps 4 to 6 times to get all of the goodies. You can reuse the xylene over and over again.

Evaporating
Now thaw out the water and put it in you evaporation dish. A large flat bottomed pyrex dish works best. Using heat(heating pad beneath the dish) or not, fan dry it to evaporate the water from the dish. This may take some time depending on how much water you used.

Once all of this is dry you will see a crystalline residue left on the dish.

This pic shows off a mistake that I made and one that some of you may make also. On the right side of the dish you can see a huge brown spot. This happened because I used too much hcl acid in the salting step. This, however, is not a big problem. It will all be gone after the cleaning step, plus much of it evaporated with the water. I might could have even avoided some of the discoloration by evaporating slower, giving the hcl more time to evaporate.

Scrape it off with a razor blade. It will be a brownish powder.

This is from the first scraping from the first salting. It actually turned out much better than I normally expect.

It can be used as is but the next procedure is simple if you've got this far.

Cleaning
Put a cotton ball in the spout end of your funnel so that it can filter.


Mix some acetone with your extracted alkaloids. I use a mason jar so that I can swirl it around easily. You want to get every piece of mescaline washed with acetone, so mix it in good.


Next, pour it into the funnel with a clean dry jar to catch the liquids. Use acetone to wash loose needles, that remain in the jar, into the funnel.


You will notice some color draining through with the acetone. Wash like this with fresh acetone until little to no more color is draining through. Put the funnel somewhere to dry.

Once all acetone smell is gone from the funnel and it's contents you need to pour some hot water into it with it positioned over the evaporation dish. The hot water will dissolve the crystals and allow them to flow through the cotton into the dish.

Evaporate as before. The resulting crystals will be considerably whiter and more pure. This is not only for aesthetics, but also it makes for more accurate dosing.

You can put this powder in capsules to facilitate simple dosing with pre-measured amounts in each capsule. Look to www.erowid.com for dosing guidelines.




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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: Shad0w]
    #8884783 - 09/05/08 11:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Shad0w said:
Oooo I forgot about the lye ..... prob more of a threat than the hydrochloric acid. You add wayyy to much and the glass explodes.....




That's why you don't use glass to extract mescaline. Use HDPE plastic jugs.


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: Shad0w]
    #8885015 - 09/06/08 12:58 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks a looot for the help guys, really! you're great. Some little questions though:


Quote:

Shad0w said:
There is some risk of chemical burns and explosions or inhalation of vapors.




would gloves, a little mask and ventilation solve these risks?

You say ventilation is important, I agree. But what's the best way of ventilation? ventilator, open windows and door, large space of work, all of them together?

Thanks for all your advices guys, and shadow, i'll try to follow your advice and try to do it somewhere else, but the thing is I can't really think of any other place right now....but i'll figure it out. My mom's cool with it as long as I know what i'm doing and don't mess anything up...

well...thanks again :smile:


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    #8885044 - 09/06/08 01:12 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Ventilation isn't a big issue when extracting mescaline because the only thing you will be evaporating is water. Just have a window open when you are transferring the solvent to the salting jars. This extraction is so easy and safe. The kitchen is the perfect place to perform it. It's so simple you will be safe and successful!


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: EM455]
    #8885061 - 09/06/08 01:19 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Open window is good, maybe a fan blowing out.

Quick way to check if the open window is "good enuf" without the fan...... BEFORE opening any flamable stuff.

Use insense or some other smoke emiting device and hold it about 3-4 inches away from the open window.... if it goes out the window.... you are good to go.

Gloves would prob be a good idea, But if you follow those directions, and dont touch any of the chems, you will be ok.

and NO SMOKING anyway. :tongue2:

Good luck! and post back your results.


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: EM455]
    #8885069 - 09/06/08 01:21 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks a lot for everything Fractaldust :laugh: I feel more comfortable and confident about the extraction now, i'll try it as soon as I get the chemicals :wink:


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    #8885078 - 09/06/08 01:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks shadow! :laugh: I'll do that. By the way I hadn't think about not smoking while doing it, thanks for mentioning that (it's logical but somehow it just didn't occur to me lol )

I might not post back righ away because It might take a while for me to get the chems but if you stay tuned until I do, I certainly will report every detail of my first extraction :smile:

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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: muistrue]
    #8885088 - 09/06/08 01:26 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe I just worry too much. >.<


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: Shad0w]
    #8885974 - 09/06/08 09:55 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I've never done this procedure before but I'd strongly advise you to wear eye protection when working with NaOH and strong acids! I didn't see it mentioned here and it is an important safety issue.


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Re: Mescaline extractions: I just don't get it! please help (sorry if it's too long):( [Re: Asht0n]
    #8910837 - 09/11/08 03:34 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks Ashton :smile: I'll keep that in mind


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    #8910844 - 09/11/08 03:40 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe I just worry too much. >.<




loool that's sweet :smile:


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