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Cloneufc
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Real reason for aborts? I may have found clues!
#8837273 - 08/27/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have been experimenting a little bit and trying to find the real reason for aborts. This was a humidity test only. I used the same strain for all these tests and they all had the same amount of air exchange and lighting.Bulk casing #1 I kept the humidity low around 60%. Bulk casing #2 same thing. Bulk casing #3 I used an ultra sonic fogger with high humidity 98% to 100%. Bulk casing #4 same thing. Bulk casing #5 Used a spray bottle to mist casing at 95% humidity. Bulk casing #6 same thing.
Casing #1 and #2 Aborts= 1 to 2 Casing #3 and #4 Aborts= 1 to 3 Casing #5 and #6 Aborts= 10 to 12
It seems using a spray bottle causes massive aborting. In nature a spray bottle would mimic rain. Ultra sonic fogger would mimic RH but not rain. Can anyone explain why pins abort using a spray bottle?
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HazeyRoms
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Re: Real reason for aborts? I may have found clues! [Re: Cloneufc]
#8837312 - 08/27/08 05:48 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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-Ok now yopu have hit the Variables part.
-How close did you mist -How thick is the mist -Did you spray directly above the mushrooms or high up and let it slowly fall on top of them -Is there H202 in your spray bottle -Why was the Ultra sonic getting fanning and the ultra sonic -Is it an isolated strain -Is it a Multi spore of a strain -Is it a full blown cubensis or a sub-cubensis
-Test those variable with misting.
-If it is multispore then you need to get an isolate for more acurate results
-Damn variables right??
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Cloneufc
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Re: Real reason for aborts? I may have found clues! [Re: HazeyRoms]
#8837449 - 08/27/08 06:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I mist 2 feet away. How thick is it? Came out of a spray bottle at the finest mist I could tune it to. I sprayed directly over them. Why would anyone put Hydrogen Peroxide in their H20 spray bottle? Its only to fight cobweb. No I didnt use it. Why was the Ultra sonic getting fanning and the ultra sonic? WTF That doesnt make sense. Yes its isolated. It was isolated then made into an LC. So its all the same mycelium. Its strain Z
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HazeyRoms
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Re: Real reason for aborts? I may have found clues! [Re: Cloneufc]
#8837703 - 08/27/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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-Awesome! Just covering all these possible varibles you understand? Not trying to troll, just trying to understand.
-Some Nooby Boobies use H202 because people do odd things, just grasping all the possible ways in your study.
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Cloneufc
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Re: Real reason for aborts? I may have found clues! [Re: HazeyRoms]
#8840526 - 08/28/08 08:36 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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What did you mean by? Why was the Ultra sonic getting fanning and the ultra sonic? I dont understand what you meant.
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anarchOi
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Re: Real reason for aborts? I may have found clues! [Re: Cloneufc]
#8840648 - 08/28/08 09:21 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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to understand aborts, you have to first understand that mycelium is alot like a living processor built for reproductive efficiency
since mycelium, like us, cannot see the future, the pinset is based on an educated guess as to where the conditions are most favorable and will stay most favorable
so from here, you basically have a shitload of potential monster shrooms, the mycelium then seems to choose the few most likely to reproduce
then it funnels all of it's resources and energy into the selected and cuts energy waste among slower, less able bodies. aka aborts
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Re: Real reason for aborts? I may have found clues! [Re: anarchOi]
#8840696 - 08/28/08 09:31 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've seen healthy outdoor mushrooms survive and even thrive in monsoon type rains, so there's no way a tiny mister causes aborts. As I've said for years, misting and then sealing up in a tight terrarium while still wet does cause aborts.
The other factor is that when conditions are right for primordia development, many more pins are formed than the substrate can support. In this case, as anarchOi pointed out, the mycelium aborts the ones it cant sustain through maturity.
If you have an average pinset, few will abort if you keep conditions right at 95%+ humidity with lots of fresh air. However, if you get a stellar pinset, expect aborts no matter how perfect you keep the environment. They're a fact of life, just as with plants and animals. RR
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Cloneufc
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Re: Real reason for aborts? I may have found clues! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8843905 - 08/28/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is very interesting! Yes even though it was the same mycelium the pinset was different. When I used a spray bottle the water was puddling on the mycelium even with FAE. With the ultra sonic fogger the mycelium was moist but not soaked. Sometimes I have to cut down on air exchange because its like a double edged sword. To much FAE lowers humidity not enough FAE raises C02 and makes everything too wet. I did not use a casing layer on my bulk substrate. This im sure impacted my test. Im going to use a casing layer on my next test to see if it makes a difference in the amount of aborts. Like you said aborts are unavoidable, I just want to find some ways to cutting the number down. This last flush was weird I got a 2inch abort, it was huge for an abort. Does anyone know why abort caps get sorta pointy?
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Rahz
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Re: Real reason for aborts? I may have found clues! [Re: Cloneufc]
#8844017 - 08/28/08 08:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's cool you did some testing!
I don't have much to add, except to say I'm an ultrasonic advocate.
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