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OfflineEL NATURAL
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air exchange during colonization?
    #8837465 - 08/27/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I know it has to be dark, but do they need fresh air every now and then? Please help.

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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: EL NATURAL]
    #8837474 - 08/27/08 06:14 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

No they simply need gas exchange, the inoc holes will provide plenty of gas  exchange.

FAE is for fruiting

And no, it does not have to be dark, Light is not a pinning trigger. Why not leave them on the shelf where its light and see what happens


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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: EL NATURAL]
    #8837483 - 08/27/08 06:15 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

It does not have to be dark during colonization. Yes you need FAE if your doing bulk. In jars you dont. Co2 buildup causes stalling. Lack of FAE invites contamination, molds,cobweb,trich, ect ect.

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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: EL NATURAL]
    #8837484 - 08/27/08 06:16 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Colonization only requires gas exchange, not full on FAE. Save air exchange for a pinning trigger.


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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: CapnSkoo]
    #8837501 - 08/27/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

god! no colinisation only needs gas exchange. Yes cobweb likes stale air but thats only a problem in fruiting. Since your jars are sterile, and nothing has got in apart from your spores. Then no contaminans can grow.

Stale air doesnt create cobweb.


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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: CapnSkoo]
    #8837505 - 08/27/08 06:19 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

O.K. here is the situation, I have the jars in a dark rubbermaid container and also a  cooler they both have lids on and are in a closet. the only air they get is from me checking on them about every other day. Is this alright?

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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: CapnSkoo]
    #8837527 - 08/27/08 06:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

O.K. here is the situation, I have the jars in a dark rubbermaid container and also a  cooler they both have lids on and are in a closet. the only air they get is from me checking on them about every other day. Is this alright?

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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: EL NATURAL]
    #8837540 - 08/27/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i keep my jars in the dark.. i look at them twice a day.. from anxiousness.. and yesterday i didnt look at them at all because i was out n about and came back this morning and i swear the growth had almost doubled in 24 hrs with no light contact from not peaking..

call me crazy but its either coincidence or truth..

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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: nismo power]
    #8837562 - 08/27/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Cool, thanks! I will leave them as they sit!

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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #8837956 - 08/27/08 07:21 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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And no, it does not have to be dark, Light is not a pinning trigger. Why not leave them on the shelf where its light and see what happens





If they didn't need light then why does everyone use light to initiate pinning?


that was a joke right?


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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: willowmp]
    #8837989 - 08/27/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Fully colinised substrate
FAE
Humidity


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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #8838038 - 08/27/08 07:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

yea but cubies are phototropic...


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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: willowmp]
    #8838277 - 08/27/08 07:59 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Pinning triggers are effective when used in unison. That's why growers complain of failure that they can't explain. They are usually missing or deficient in one or more of the requisite triggers.

This jar colonized on the shelf where it sits. Indirect sunlight bathed it all day long, no pins.




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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #8838442 - 08/27/08 08:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

If its fully colonized and exposed to light it will pin in the jars.  Youll get a way better pinset when all of the pinning triggers work in unison.  But you can get pins from fully colonized sub if its left in light.:2cents:


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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: Krez]
    #8838548 - 08/27/08 08:47 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Light will only trigger pinning when it's added with FAE and humidity.  You need a mix of things to get pinning.  :smile:  Good luck!

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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: Krez]
    #8838825 - 08/27/08 09:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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If its fully colonized and exposed to light it will pin in the jars.  Youll get a way better pinset when all of the pinning triggers work in unison.  But you can get pins from fully colonized sub if its left in light.:2cents:





makes sense when people do invitro....


my point was based off the fact that people do invitro.


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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: willowmp]
    #8838943 - 08/27/08 09:44 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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If its fully colonized and exposed to light it will pin in the jars.  Youll get a way better pinset when all of the pinning triggers work in unison.  But you can get pins from fully colonized sub if its left in light.:2cents:





makes sense when people do invitro....


my point was based off the fact that people do invitro.




The time that the spawn is left in the bags is a factor. The jar that I posted above was spawned to bulk three days after the picture was taken. I'm sure that pins will develop if you just leave the jars alone, but most people want to birth them to an FC or spawn to bulk without leaving them another two weeks in vitro...


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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #8839117 - 08/27/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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No they simply need gas exchange, the inoc holes will provide plenty of gas  exchange.

FAE is for fruiting

And no, it does not have to be dark, Light is not a pinning trigger. Why not leave them on the shelf where its light and see what happens




I used a couple see through tupperware containers to spawn cambo to bulk once, let it colonize in the light and I got a shit load of "Side pins"... I never had shrooms side pinning in an aluminum tray with it covered with foil, totally dark.

I'm not sure why that is, but using my scientific judgement I would say the light probably had something to  do with that.


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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: mozartvicious]
    #8839225 - 08/27/08 10:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Everything I've read says that light triggers pins :grin: hahahaha.  I've never heard anyone say that it doesn't?  Kind of weird to hear.

A few minutes of light a day can trigger pins.

Or then again, it might not. It depends on the conditions but generally, AFAIK yes, light triggers pins.

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Re: air exchange during colonization? [Re: willowmp]
    #8839347 - 08/27/08 10:58 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

Krez said:
If its fully colonized and exposed to light it will pin in the jars.  Youll get a way better pinset when all of the pinning triggers work in unison.  But you can get pins from fully colonized sub if its left in light.:2cents:





makes sense when people do invitro....


my point was based off the fact that people do invitro.




My point exactly!  If you doubt it leave a jar thats fully colonized in light.  Granted youll get a much better pinset when all the triggers are used in unison.  If you dont think that a fully colonized jar will pin when exposed to light then your a noob.  Sorry to come off like an asshole but if you dont believe it leave a fully colonized jar in sunlight or light in general.  You may not have a million pins but it will pin!  Everyone thinks that they are mycologists cause they read some stuff on the internet.  Granted I dont have a million grows under my belt but come on people!?! :werd:


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