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How much have you done ayahuasca?
    #8833769 - 08/27/08 02:25 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

out of curiosity
how many times have you dosed aya?
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10 - 50
50+
how often do you trip?
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once a week
2-3 times a month
once a month
few times a year
what is your preferred / most common dose?
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low
medium
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Votes accepted from (08/27/08 02:23 AM) to (No end specified)
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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8833774 - 08/27/08 02:26 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

wow im the only one


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: thedudenj]
    #8833787 - 08/27/08 02:30 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

im curious as to how popular it is on this site


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8833807 - 08/27/08 02:35 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Then why didn't you incluse a "never" option?  You can't tell how popular something is by only surveying those who've done it.

Also, you didn't specify what you mean by "ayahuasca".  I've used a Rue/Mimosa mixture, but that's most certainly not ayahuasca.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8833819 - 08/27/08 02:39 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

pardon my lack of knowledge

i always thought rue/mimosa was considered to be aya

w/e :smirk:


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8833902 - 08/27/08 03:18 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

aya is traditionally the caapi vine and viridis


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Coaster]
    #8833921 - 08/27/08 03:27 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, it's traditionally just caapi vine, with a wide variety of admixture plants being optional.  Common admixture plants are viridis, coca, tobacco, datura, Ilex spp. and a whole handful of others.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Coaster]
    #8833929 - 08/27/08 03:31 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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aya is traditionally the caapi vine and viridis




traditionally yes, but hasn't western culture adopted the name to describe any DMT + MAOI containing plant mixture?


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8833935 - 08/27/08 03:33 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

No, that's generally referred to a pharmahuasca, or a couple other different names.  Ayahuasca is the word for caapi vine. No brew without caapi can sensibly be called ayahuasca.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8833947 - 08/27/08 03:41 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for clearing that up :thumbup:

just goes to show how inexperienced i am with the stuff.

workin on it :yesnod:


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8834025 - 08/27/08 04:12 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

pharmahuasca is dmt+maoi encapsulated in a pill capsule :xtc:


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Coaster]
    #8834040 - 08/27/08 04:17 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

have read of that

definitely going to be making some very soon


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8834058 - 08/27/08 04:22 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

yesssssssssssssssssssss
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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Coaster]
    #8834749 - 08/27/08 10:17 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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pharmahuasca is dmt+maoi encapsulated in a pill capsule :xtc:




Yeah, that's what it usually means, but I've heard the term applied to any non-traditional MAOI+DMT.  Not an ideal term, since "pharma" really does imply purified chemicals.

Sometimes these ayahuasca analogues are called "anahuasca" or just "huasca".  But really, none of these terms make etymological sense.  Huasca means liana (vine), and clearly neither rue nor mimosa are lianas.  "Ayalogues" would make sense (aya=spirit), but unfortunately it's a word I just made up.  I guess of all the terms currently in use, "ayahuasca analogues" is the most clear.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8835151 - 08/27/08 12:03 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i think i lied abit i i might be over 50 actually come to think about it


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: thedudenj]
    #8836307 - 08/27/08 04:29 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Me too. I used to do it once a week at least, but I lost count of how many times. What I did was MHRB and rue, but now I mostly plan on using pharmahuasca because I have the means to.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8836400 - 08/27/08 04:54 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Sometimes these ayahuasca analogues are called "anahuasca" or just "huasca".  But really, none of these terms make etymological sense.  Huasca means liana (vine), and clearly neither rue nor mimosa are lianas.  "Ayalogues" would make sense (aya=spirit), but unfortunately it's a word I just made up.  I guess of all the terms currently in use, "ayahuasca analogues" is the most clear.



ayalogue sounds pretty good, i think ill star using that term :awesome::thumbup:


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8836412 - 08/27/08 04:56 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually, it's traditionally just caapi vine, with a wide variety of admixture plants being optional.  Common admixture plants are viridis, coca, tobacco, datura, Ilex spp. and a whole handful of others.




Interesting.  I didn't realize coca was among these.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Moo456]
    #8836425 - 08/27/08 04:59 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Me too. I used to do it once a week at least, but I lost count of how many times. What I did was MHRB and rue, but now I mostly plan on using pharmahuasca because I have the means to.




Do you prefer the experience of pharmahuasca?

I've always figured it would be something worthwhile to try once, but otherwise, a waste of smokable dmt.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: truffleupagus]
    #8836504 - 08/27/08 05:17 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Actually I havnt tried it yet, but the final piece of the puzzle is coming in soon (PH strips). As far as efficiency goes it may be a waste, but I think smoked DMT is sort of a waste in a way, because you cant learn as much from such a short duration.

Ive decided to start using DMT in this way because lately ive had a problem keeping the tea down long enough for full effects. Also I would most likely be able to concentrate and enjoy the experience more without the stomach issues.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Moo456]
    #8836551 - 08/27/08 05:27 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I just call any DMt+MAOI brewed from plant substances "ayahuasca"... doesn't seem worth the trouble to call a rue mixture something else when it's essentially the same thing... :shrug:

I'm no expert on ayahuasca though.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8836566 - 08/27/08 05:29 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Ayahuasca made with ayahuasca vine is reported quite different in character.  It's believed that this is due to the THH that it contains in addition to harmine and harmaline (which are both in rue)


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8836619 - 08/27/08 05:36 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I've heard something like this too. If I ever drink "-huasca" of any kind I think I'd start out with caapi, just seems like common sense.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8836654 - 08/27/08 05:41 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Caapi and rue do provide different experiences, but not drastically. I would say the difference is about the same as Sativa vs. Indica.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8836744 - 08/27/08 05:57 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

that's good to hear, considering the difference in price


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8836913 - 08/27/08 06:23 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Caapi and rue do provide different experiences, but not drastically. I would say the difference is about the same as Sativa vs. Indica.


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when you have good bud that makes a huge differnece so i would agree that theres a big differnece between rue and caapi


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: thedudenj]
    #8836975 - 08/27/08 06:34 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Nah, the experiences are very much the same.
The only notable difference is that Caapi experience seems a bit more smooth, while rue is more sudden and intense.
One thing that bothers me is when people consider caapi superior to rue because of tradition.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8837073 - 08/27/08 06:55 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

My experience with cappi failed (probably low potency), but I can tell you that using less rue can also drastically change the experience. The difference between rue and cappi may have more to do with quantity of alkaloids rather than the possibly inactive 6-MeO-THH.

With less rue I feel like I can think very clearly, but with more rue the experience is much more immersive.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Moo456]
    #8837092 - 08/27/08 07:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

how much do you use for a low dose?

i haven't tried the stuff yet, just smoked dmt


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8837219 - 08/27/08 07:27 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I guess it depends on what you would consider a low dose. I usually use 10g of MHRB with 3g of rue and I find that to be a medium dose. At that level the visuals are plenty apparent, but not overwhelming. I think most people could handle it at that level in a controlled environment.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Moo456]
    #8838480 - 08/27/08 10:35 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I think smoked DMT is sort of a waste in a way, because you cant learn as much from such a short duration.





Agreed.  I still love it though.  I think it's freekin' :awesome:

Sometimes I'd rather not learn anything to be honest.  Just being in complete awe over something for a short while is pretty cool too.

I hope you're right about pharm. being an easier experience in some regards though.  Planning to do it with my wife soon.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: truffleupagus]
    #8838991 - 08/27/08 11:54 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i dunno you can learn alot from smoking dmt if your with the right people


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Moo456]
    #8839662 - 08/28/08 02:23 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Very cool.  Never done an Ayalogue before, something about syrian rue really intimidates me (sickness/MAOI stuff).  Actually ayahuasca in general intimidates me, it just strikes me as being in a whole other realm of ego loss/disorientation.  But I figure since I've got the ingredients I should bite the bullet, right? I've tripped plenty of times on shoroms, lsd, pedro... ayahuasca just strikes me as being in a whole other league.  Anyway, could you answer a few questions?

1) outline your prep tek using MHRB and rue

2) how long does it last

3) what are your highest and lowest doses.  how about with mushrooms, what's a good dose for you? 

4) how does the experience compare to a mushroom trip?

5) how do you feel the day after?

6) do you have any rituals prior to ingestion? fasting? MAOI dietary restrictions?


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Noviseer]
    #8839882 - 08/28/08 03:20 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i also have a question...

at higher doses, how does the ego loss compare to that of mushrooms or lsd?  more intense and life altering?  i can't imagine anything being more altering than an lsd 'breakthrough'.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8839920 - 08/28/08 03:36 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

IME I can't imagine any kind of ego-loss being more intense than that experienced on DMT. I had it once on LSD, and it was very intense, but I was under control the whole time. DMT kind of takes that away once you've had a few hits.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8840255 - 08/28/08 08:58 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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i also have a question...

at higher doses, how does the ego loss compare to that of mushrooms or lsd?  more intense and life altering?  i can't imagine anything being more altering than an lsd 'breakthrough'.


Ego loss is ego loss, so its hard to compare. But a high dose of mushrooms can be just as powerful and transcendental as ayahuasca. I wouldnt put LSD in comparison with these two, because it is so much different, and I personally have never achieved any grand experience from high doses.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8840262 - 08/28/08 09:00 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i like when everyone loses the ego and were all one creature


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    #8840283 - 08/28/08 09:16 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Very cool.  Never done an Ayalogue before, something about syrian rue really intimidates me (sickness/MAOI stuff).  Actually ayahuasca in general intimidates me, it just strikes me as being in a whole other realm of ego loss/disorientation.  But I figure since I've got the ingredients I should bite the bullet, right? I've tripped plenty of times on shoroms, lsd, pedro... ayahuasca just strikes me as being in a whole other league.  Anyway, could you answer a few questions?

1) outline your prep tek using MHRB and rue

2) how long does it last

3) what are your highest and lowest doses.  how about with mushrooms, what's a good dose for you? 

4) how does the experience compare to a mushroom trip?

5) how do you feel the day after?

6) do you have any rituals prior to ingestion? fasting? MAOI dietary restrictions?


There is no reason to fear the maoi inhibiting properties of rue if you diet correctly. Its very simple, and not dangerous as long as you avoid certain medications; foods are not really that dangerous to begin with, if you do happen to eat the wrong thing, you may just end up with a headache or something else benign. Just fast the day of the trip and youll be fine.

and as for your questions:

1) too lazy to do all of this at the moment

2) Depending on dosage, rue tends to last around 2-4 hours. If your using caapi, you can expect the trip to last around 4-6 hours.

3)I never go above 12 grams mimosa inner root bark, and 4 grams rue. For lower doses, which I do on a more constant basis, I use about 6 grams mimosa, and 2-3 grams rue.
Just keep in mind if you use syrian rue, the dosage varies from person to person. For me, I have to use at least 2 grams to obtain any maoi inhibiting properties. Others have reported that even less works for them.
My recommendation would be to begin with 3 grams.

With mushrooms, I dont like to take less than 5 grams dry. Anything less is fine for a fun, social tripping experience, but I like higher doses for the mystical experiences.

4)Very similiar in power IMO, but very different in content. Listen to Terrence Mkennas explanation on mushrooms and DMT, he puts it very well.

5)As soon as the trip is over, and for several weeks after, I feel absolutely amazing. My body feels purified, and my energy levels are through the roof. I feel wonderful emotionally, almost euphoric. Life feels entirely different, whatever was a previous reason for worry is now gone. It is a complete cleansing of the body, mind and spirit.

6) I meditate prior to any psychedelic excursion. Of course, always follow the proper dietary restrictions. Fasting for at least a day changes the entire experience immensely. It sets the mind, and prepares the body for the journey.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8840302 - 08/28/08 09:25 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i have to say an important thing to do is the sexual abstinence and not having sex while on it(tho it wont kill you, unless the sex is really pure it will take away from it a bit)

i had a trip almost completely canceled out cept for visuals cause sex.  while another time it was just the regular experience with some sex in it.

but anywho sex after those days  abstinence are way better. its nice to have it with a clearer soul


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8840303 - 08/28/08 09:25 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

thanks :thumbup: sounds incredibly healthy.  do you purge when you do this?


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Noviseer]
    #8840309 - 08/28/08 09:28 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

you know i have to say the purge is a bit exagerated and i see it as a way to seprate the truely devoted from those that arnt, I have had tons of times on various people where the purge isnt just physical or lack of physical one cause they are doing metaphysical purging which is truely more important. but i wont knock a good physical purge at all. sometimes you just got stuff built up and clogging you


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: thedudenj]
    #8841021 - 08/28/08 12:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

The majority of people that do ayahuasca are going to purge.
Mimosa root bark, caapi especially, is very hard on the stomach. They contain a large amount of tannins and alot of woody, indigestible material and unless you have an iron stomach, you will vomit. I here diarrhea is common, but fortunately I have never experienced this.
  Metaphorically, you get the sense of purity after purging.
You could see it as a way of your body ridding itself of toxins, cleansing itself by getting rid of negative energies, and preparing oneself for the approaching psychedelic state.
But of course, this is all subjective, and is by no means meaningful in anyway unless you believe it to be.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: thedudenj]
    #8841618 - 08/28/08 03:04 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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i have to say an important thing to do is the sexual abstinence and not having sex while on it(tho it wont kill you, unless the sex is really pure it will take away from it a bit)



could you throw us a definition of what you consider pure?
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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8841662 - 08/28/08 03:13 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Meh, having sex while on any psychedelic is going to take away from the experience, unless great sex is your goal.

And as far as abstinence goes, thats just traditional b.s. that wont effect you trip in the least.
Im somewhat of a sex addict, and have had dirty, fucked up sex a few hours before one of my ayahuasca trips, and they are all just the same.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8841730 - 08/28/08 03:26 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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IME I can't imagine any kind of ego-loss being more intense than that experienced on DMT. I had it once on LSD, and it was very intense, but I was under control the whole time.




you were in control during an acid ego loss trip?? when it happened to me i couldn't even control my body, there was this magnifying force that kept sucking me in whether i liked it or not...

ive broken through on dmt, but the amnesia associated with ego loss was nada compared to that of lsd.  maybe i didn't go far enough?


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8841748 - 08/28/08 03:29 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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2) Depending on dosage, rue tends to last around 2-4 hours. If your using caapi, you can expect the trip to last around 4-6 hours.




would double dosing the rue later on in the trip prolong the effects of the dmt?


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8841785 - 08/28/08 03:36 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

The most I ever took was 400 mg of DMT extracted from MHRB, and whatever I took of Rue to make it orally usable. Quite a ride. I laid in my room in kind of a psychedelic coma, and felt like I was having visions of the end of the world. Really far out ride man.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8841792 - 08/28/08 03:37 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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IME I can't imagine any kind of ego-loss being more intense than that experienced on DMT. I had it once on LSD, and it was very intense, but I was under control the whole time.




you were in control during an acid ego loss trip?? when it happened to me i couldn't even control my body, there was this magnifying force that kept sucking me in whether i liked it or not...

ive broken through on dmt, but the amnesia associated with ego loss was nada compared to that of lsd.  maybe i didn't go far enough?



To answer this, we may have to analyze what true ego
death really means.

In my eyes, for one to transcend(or descend, or transform, or rid of) the ego, means to be completely stripped of all sense of body, all sense of self, reality, time, space, individuality, and everything that makes up the "I" and the "me".
Everytime I have experienced this, I can only recall that it happened, but not the details of what it was like.

Wouldnt a true ego death always end up with an amnesiac experience, being that during the loss of self and body, one loses all capability of recording the experience with clarity?
With no singular perspective during the experience, how can one recall the experience within the body?
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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8841836 - 08/28/08 03:44 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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In my eyes, for one to transcend(or descend, or transform, or rid of) the ego, means to be completely stripped of all sense of body, all sense of self, reality, time, space, individuality, and everything that makes up the "I" and the "me".




agreed

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Wouldnt a true ego death always end up with an amnesiac experience, being that during the loss of self and body, one loses all capability of recording the experience with clarity?
With no singular perspective during the experience, how can one recall the experience within the body?




i have vague recollection, mostly vague visions... no feelings.  since it has happened, wouldn't some (all) of the experience be stored in memory?


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8844471 - 08/28/08 11:38 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

hmm i think as long as you both truely love each other and its just a phyical acting out of your love or something like that i dunno how to explain it.


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    #8845649 - 08/29/08 03:10 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

What method do you guys prefer?  I'm new to this, but I understand there's a method of ingesting caapi first (maoi) then viridis.  Did you like the trip better using that method or making it all in one brew?  Btw I plan on purging.

Also I was wondering if you could help me find a good recipe.  I've looked through a few and http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_info9.shtml looks the best so far.

Any help would be greatly appreciated :smile:

edit:

I've done more research, and have seen some other recipe including mimosa hostilis and cabrerana.  I can't really discern what does what from people's vague trip reports.  What I'm really looking for is a good recipe for my first time


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    #8845735 - 08/29/08 03:46 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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2) Depending on dosage, rue tends to last around 2-4 hours. If your using caapi, you can expect the trip to last around 4-6 hours.




would double dosing the rue later on in the trip prolong the effects of the dmt?


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when it comes down to it just eat a good dose of 1.5g-2.5g of rue raw swallowed. then wait 15 min then drink brew. you probably want one to double dose period cause thats how strong it would be. i feel like i need to do shroomery ayahuasca workshops and seminars lol i know people that couldnt make strong brew then have taught them how its not about the drugs its about the energy if you dont have it in you, you cant brew it unless someone passes that unspoken knowledge to you.


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    #8845917 - 08/29/08 06:12 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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What method do you guys prefer?  I'm new to this, but I understand there's a method of ingesting caapi first (maoi) then viridis.  Did you like the trip better using that method or making it all in one brew?  Btw I plan on purging.

Also I was wondering if you could help me find a good recipe.  I've looked through a few and http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_info9.shtml looks the best so far.

Any help would be greatly appreciated :smile:

edit:

I've done more research, and have seen some other recipe including mimosa hostilis and cabrerana.  I can't really discern what does what from people's vague trip reports.  What I'm really looking for is a good recipe for my first time 


Dont follow that tek. There is no need for vinegar, or any other acid for that matter, in your brew. It does nothing but make it taste that much worse.
Also, the best way to consume the beverage would be to first drink the maoi, then drink the dmt brew about 30-45 minutes later.


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    #8845921 - 08/29/08 06:14 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

SyntheticMInd said:
Quote:

satyr said:
2) Depending on dosage, rue tends to last around 2-4 hours. If your using caapi, you can expect the trip to last around 4-6 hours.




would double dosing the rue later on in the trip prolong the effects of the dmt?


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when it comes down to it just eat a good dose of 1.5g-2.5g of rue raw swallowed. then wait 15 min then drink brew. you probably want one to double dose period cause thats how strong it would be. i feel like i need to do shroomery ayahuasca workshops and seminars lol i know people that couldnt make strong brew then have taught them how its not about the drugs its about the energy if you dont have it in you, you cant brew it unless someone passes that unspoken knowledge to you.


what? What unspoken knowledge are we talking about here?


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    #8846466 - 08/29/08 11:44 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i suggest Fresh lemon and lime as your acid or other fruit


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    #8846571 - 08/29/08 12:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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i also have a question...

at higher doses, how does the ego loss compare to that of mushrooms or lsd?  more intense and life altering?  i can't imagine anything being more altering than an lsd 'breakthrough'.



completely obliterating and completely life altering IMO.

You know that staring into the face of god feeling on mushrooms?
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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8847211 - 08/29/08 02:45 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Helixx said:
What method do you guys prefer?  I'm new to this, but I understand there's a method of ingesting caapi first (maoi) then viridis.  Did you like the trip better using that method or making it all in one brew?  Btw I plan on purging.

Also I was wondering if you could help me find a good recipe.  I've looked through a few and http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_info9.shtml looks the best so far.

Any help would be greatly appreciated :smile:

edit:

I've done more research, and have seen some other recipe including mimosa hostilis and cabrerana.  I can't really discern what does what from people's vague trip reports.  What I'm really looking for is a good recipe for my first time 


Dont follow that tek. There is no need for vinegar, or any other acid for that matter, in your brew. It does nothing but make it taste that much worse.
Also, the best way to consume the beverage would be to first drink the maoi, then drink the dmt brew about 30-45 minutes later.




If my tek is rubbish, can you link me a better tek please?  The ones i'm finding don't seem very promising.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8847216 - 08/29/08 02:45 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

sounds good


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    #8847286 - 08/29/08 02:59 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

sigh, i really got sit you down and teach you people dont learn that well over the net at all. plus the miss the rituals and handed down stuff and the telepathic link to their teacher


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    #8847576 - 08/29/08 03:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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You know that staring into the face of god feeling on mushrooms?
Imagine that times 100 with less confusion.




Ok I'm sold.  If you have the time, would you mind outlining your prep method and doses?


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    #8847685 - 08/29/08 04:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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sigh, i really got sit you down and teach you people dont learn that well over the net at all. plus the miss the rituals and handed down stuff and the telepathic link to their teacher




I understand what you're saying, but for those of us who don't know any shaman or anyone who practices the ritual, there is no other option.  I'm too broke to travel to the amazon and no one I know has even heard of ayahuasca.


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    #8847748 - 08/29/08 04:16 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

sigh if you traveling to the amazon you got issuses and serious ones. theres one where you live you just gota find em they will have the proper magic for your area too. like ayahuasca isnt really the answer is using your areas stuff.


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    #8847987 - 08/29/08 05:04 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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sigh, i really got sit you down and teach you people dont learn that well over the net at all. plus the miss the rituals and handed down stuff and the telepathic link to their teacher




I understand what you're saying, but for those of us who don't know any shaman or anyone who practices the ritual, there is no other option.  I'm too broke to travel to the amazon and no one I know has even heard of ayahuasca.


There is no need for a shaman, or to travel to the amazon. Its all about the plants, not all of the traditional, trivial b.s.
If you brew your stuff right, youll have a great experience.
As to your earlier question, the tek you posted is not bad, I just dont recommend using vinegar simply because it is disgusting, and unnecessary. I no longer use any acids in my brews, and they turn out just as potent as any. The tek you were asking about is perfectly fine, ayahuasca is not rocket science, you basically just boil your ingredients for a few hours, then reduce to a drinkable amount.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8848456 - 08/29/08 07:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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    #8848468 - 08/29/08 07:17 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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like ayahuasca isnt really the answer is using your areas stuff.




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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8848498 - 08/29/08 07:24 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

for example a good woodland trip and collection and use of amanita is equal to it


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my areas got nadda


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my areas got nadda



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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: thedudenj]
    #8848595 - 08/29/08 07:48 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, just like when I used to buy DXM from walmart and then trip there and relax on the furniture.  :robotrip:


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lol thats awesome!!!


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    #8848813 - 08/29/08 08:37 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I have access to the stuff but I feel I would much rather wait and see a true shaman to experience it rather then be sitting in my basement out of it and puking everywhere.


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    #8848932 - 08/29/08 08:59 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

why not go to your wilderness? anywho arnt shamans orginally from siberia so wouldnt you have to go there to get a true one? cause those ones in south america obviously arnt the orginal ones and use differnt drugs


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    #8848946 - 08/29/08 09:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Well yes thats what I mean, going to siberia. I would even do south amazon.

I just feel like if I did it alone or with someone who is on it to it might not turn out good.


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    #8848994 - 08/29/08 09:09 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

so why not just go to native americans in the west? theres plenty of tribes all over the us that do healing rituals. pow wows can be intense


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Noviseer]
    #8849004 - 08/29/08 09:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Ok I'm sold.  If you have the time, would you mind outlining your prep method and doses?



Follow neurosoup (k coles) tech I use 20 grams of MHRB and around 3 or 4 grams of rue.  Take the rue like she says.

It has always worked for me.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: thedudenj]
    #8849009 - 08/29/08 09:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

But do Native Americans use ayahuasca? I thought it was mainly Tribes of the south amazon and Siberia


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: F1234K]
    #8849015 - 08/29/08 09:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I just feel like if I did it alone or with someone who is on it to it might not turn out good.




why not try a very small dose and work your way up if needed?


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8849029 - 08/29/08 09:14 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

From what I have seen its not very controllable. I mean Im sure if someone handed me a mug of it and said drink up I would. I know how to brew it but its just some work thats all. (not to hard i know)


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: F1234K]
    #8849036 - 08/29/08 09:16 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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But do Native Americans use ayahuasca? I thought it was mainly Tribes of the south amazon and Siberia



No they didnt.

And dude I would never do aya with anyone.
It is a drug IMO best done alone for many reasons but one
is that you will be puking your guts out and might get
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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8849052 - 08/29/08 09:19 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I really dont mind puking. My idea is that if your body is saying puke you better puke.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: F1234K]
    #8849075 - 08/29/08 09:23 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Than you are ready my friend.

Just remember my words do it alone brah you wont regret it.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8849091 - 08/29/08 09:26 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

The only thing I fear is that someone will call me to do something. I suppose thats why its best camping alone or something.  I think I would do it with one person I know I can trust who would do it with me. A member of the fam who is a ex heroin addict. He has experienced Ibogane at the treatment center in BC.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8849222 - 08/29/08 09:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i dont think ayahuasca is the important thing its spiritual cleansing any who unless your staying in south american south american magical plants arent gona help you that much. im not saying they wont do what they will but its not practical. if you ever heard of fredic alan wolf he talks about that as he saw not only south american ones, but south west american ones, druids and more


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: F1234K]
    #8849381 - 08/29/08 10:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I always understood ayahuasca to be a primarily communal experience.

I'm kind of on the fence about trying to figure it out for myself or having someone teach me how... I have no idea who would do that for me. :confused: Either way I don't think I'd do it alone.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: thedudenj]
    #8849421 - 08/29/08 10:28 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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i dont think ayahuasca is the important thing its spiritual cleansing any who unless your staying in south american south american magical plants arent gona help you that much.



I dont understand your logic you are saying that because these
plants are not native to this area they are not as suited for
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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8849471 - 08/29/08 10:39 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

something like that i dunno how much do you know about earth magic? as i said fredic alan wolf talks about this sort of stuff. he wrote The Eagle's Quest: A Physicist's Search for Truth in the Heart of the Shamanic  look into that

if you can find it watch SHAMANIC PHYSICS its him talking about what went into making that book

Shamans see the world as made up of vibrations, using resonance between individuals to effect healings. In part one of this two-part series, Fred Alan Wolf discusses his efforts to explain shamanic realities in terms of modern physics. He suggests that shamans interact with parallel universes and are able to enter into the world of the dead.
In part two, Wolf describes in greater length his interactions with shamans among the North American Sioux Indians, in the jungles of Peru and in England. He confesses that he observed many things among the shamans that were unexplainable to him in terms of modern physics, noting that the shamans he worked with were loving healers who touched him in a deep and nurturing manner.
Fred Alan Wolf is a physicist and author of Space Time and Beyond, Taking the Quantum Leap, The Body Quantum, Star*Wave, Parallel Universes and The Eagle's Quest.


it used to be on you tube

any who the point im making is like Tchan909 said its the communal experience. 

now in south america theres rival tribes using similar but differnt brews and other ones that dont use ayahuasca and say those ones got it all wrong and their medicine is that all cure


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: thedudenj]
    #8849574 - 08/29/08 10:56 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

any who the point im making is like Tchan909 said its the communal experience. 

it's an experience

nothing else is required except yourself (along with good intentions) imho

i was just talking with a friend who won't do psychedelics anymore because they aren't native to his land (and culture)

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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8849640 - 08/29/08 11:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I come from a culture of upright Christians and alcoholics. I think my choice to partake in the strange sacraments of alien cultures from foreign lands was a wise one.


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    #8849670 - 08/29/08 11:09 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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any who the point im making is like Tchan909 said its the communal experience. 

it's an experience

nothing else is required except yourself (along with good intentions) imho

i was just talking with a friend who won't do psychedelics anymore because they aren't native to his land (and culture)

bs i say




ha ha. its kinda what i was talking about then its not really needed. tho lsd is a cutlure and land of its own.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8849679 - 08/29/08 11:10 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I'm so glad I escaped.


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    #8849683 - 08/29/08 11:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

aww i love the LSD people


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    #8849684 - 08/29/08 11:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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tho lsd is a cutlure and land of its own. 




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    #8849687 - 08/29/08 11:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8849690 - 08/29/08 11:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Me too, honestly seems LSD is more "indigenous" to my own culture - a creation of a western European laboratory and a revival of an ancient Greek entheogen.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8849745 - 08/29/08 11:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

yeah its great when you get the clean kind. like when you got molly. amanita culture is great too tho


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: thedudenj]
    #8849972 - 08/30/08 12:07 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I suppose amanita is in line with my Germanic roots as well. Have yet to seriously try it though, just smoked a tiny bit as a smoking mixture for weed which actually had a light clearheaded effect.

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    #8850045 - 08/30/08 12:20 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i have to say i love being german. i miss duestchland and the women from there they really get me in a way american women just dont.


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    #8850139 - 08/30/08 12:35 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

hah im german too... partly

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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8850177 - 08/30/08 12:41 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I'm like equal parts German, Swiss, and Dutch, which I suppose is still just Germanic overall.

:cheers: to the revival of the Nordic shaman!

I visited Leiden in the Netherlands recently... I do not hesitate to say it was the single chillest place I have ever been to. Much chiller than Amsterdam, or anywhere else in the world to my knowledge. Very easy to get along with people even if you don't know Dutch. It was the first time I ever went there but I felt so at home it was ridiculous.


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    #8850237 - 08/30/08 12:52 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:

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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8850326 - 08/30/08 01:09 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yeah I got some English and Ukrainian too. I'm really just a huge mutt who is predominantly Germanic.


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    #8852520 - 08/30/08 04:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Norwegian for me.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: F1234K]
    #8855560 - 08/31/08 12:07 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

yeah i have to say amsterdamn isnt that great only stupid tourist thinks so cause they arnt there for the place they are just there to get fucked up. I makes me think of places i have partied at where i know the people that own the place.

any who yeah important not to knock other healing methods and stuff cause its all the same shit when it comes down to it different views and uses of it depending on the geographical location.

i say that the ayahuasca people are really summoning the spirit of the great baba Yaga when when are saying yage' and just dont know it. the good baba yaga tho. Since they dont know all that history to them its a new novel idea touch up upon mc kennas fractal resonance waves. As i say we being in this society got here in the first place you know i dont think it was all bad or wrong, the south american ones had to pass thru here to get to where they go you know, while others didnt have to go their and found home here.

i think its alot about finding home then truely being at home. then only moving from one house to another house then wandering or ever being a vagrent. then bridging house holds until the whole world is one home and house hold. that is in effect now totally but you gota ask your self what kinda house hold is this...

lately i have been tripping balls of vibes in a new way  a more acid ayahuaca peyote type way with sprinkles of amanita and psilocybes and its fantastic. Its like feeling all those strange feelings you get on those things but from just regular life and interaction with people.


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