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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Moo456]
    #8836551 - 08/27/08 05:27 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I just call any DMt+MAOI brewed from plant substances "ayahuasca"... doesn't seem worth the trouble to call a rue mixture something else when it's essentially the same thing... :shrug:

I'm no expert on ayahuasca though.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8836566 - 08/27/08 05:29 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Ayahuasca made with ayahuasca vine is reported quite different in character.  It's believed that this is due to the THH that it contains in addition to harmine and harmaline (which are both in rue)


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8836619 - 08/27/08 05:36 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I've heard something like this too. If I ever drink "-huasca" of any kind I think I'd start out with caapi, just seems like common sense.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8836654 - 08/27/08 05:41 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Caapi and rue do provide different experiences, but not drastically. I would say the difference is about the same as Sativa vs. Indica.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8836744 - 08/27/08 05:57 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

that's good to hear, considering the difference in price


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8836913 - 08/27/08 06:23 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Caapi and rue do provide different experiences, but not drastically. I would say the difference is about the same as Sativa vs. Indica.


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when you have good bud that makes a huge differnece so i would agree that theres a big differnece between rue and caapi


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: thedudenj]
    #8836975 - 08/27/08 06:34 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Nah, the experiences are very much the same.
The only notable difference is that Caapi experience seems a bit more smooth, while rue is more sudden and intense.
One thing that bothers me is when people consider caapi superior to rue because of tradition.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8837073 - 08/27/08 06:55 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

My experience with cappi failed (probably low potency), but I can tell you that using less rue can also drastically change the experience. The difference between rue and cappi may have more to do with quantity of alkaloids rather than the possibly inactive 6-MeO-THH.

With less rue I feel like I can think very clearly, but with more rue the experience is much more immersive.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Moo456]
    #8837092 - 08/27/08 07:00 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

how much do you use for a low dose?

i haven't tried the stuff yet, just smoked dmt


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8837219 - 08/27/08 07:27 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I guess it depends on what you would consider a low dose. I usually use 10g of MHRB with 3g of rue and I find that to be a medium dose. At that level the visuals are plenty apparent, but not overwhelming. I think most people could handle it at that level in a controlled environment.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Moo456]
    #8838480 - 08/27/08 10:35 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I think smoked DMT is sort of a waste in a way, because you cant learn as much from such a short duration.





Agreed.  I still love it though.  I think it's freekin' :awesome:

Sometimes I'd rather not learn anything to be honest.  Just being in complete awe over something for a short while is pretty cool too.

I hope you're right about pharm. being an easier experience in some regards though.  Planning to do it with my wife soon.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: truffleupagus]
    #8838991 - 08/27/08 11:54 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

i dunno you can learn alot from smoking dmt if your with the right people


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Moo456]
    #8839662 - 08/28/08 02:23 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Very cool.  Never done an Ayalogue before, something about syrian rue really intimidates me (sickness/MAOI stuff).  Actually ayahuasca in general intimidates me, it just strikes me as being in a whole other realm of ego loss/disorientation.  But I figure since I've got the ingredients I should bite the bullet, right? I've tripped plenty of times on shoroms, lsd, pedro... ayahuasca just strikes me as being in a whole other league.  Anyway, could you answer a few questions?

1) outline your prep tek using MHRB and rue

2) how long does it last

3) what are your highest and lowest doses.  how about with mushrooms, what's a good dose for you? 

4) how does the experience compare to a mushroom trip?

5) how do you feel the day after?

6) do you have any rituals prior to ingestion? fasting? MAOI dietary restrictions?


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Noviseer]
    #8839882 - 08/28/08 03:20 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

i also have a question...

at higher doses, how does the ego loss compare to that of mushrooms or lsd?  more intense and life altering?  i can't imagine anything being more altering than an lsd 'breakthrough'.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8839920 - 08/28/08 03:36 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

IME I can't imagine any kind of ego-loss being more intense than that experienced on DMT. I had it once on LSD, and it was very intense, but I was under control the whole time. DMT kind of takes that away once you've had a few hits.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: deranger]
    #8840255 - 08/28/08 08:58 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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i also have a question...

at higher doses, how does the ego loss compare to that of mushrooms or lsd?  more intense and life altering?  i can't imagine anything being more altering than an lsd 'breakthrough'.


Ego loss is ego loss, so its hard to compare. But a high dose of mushrooms can be just as powerful and transcendental as ayahuasca. I wouldnt put LSD in comparison with these two, because it is so much different, and I personally have never achieved any grand experience from high doses.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8840262 - 08/28/08 09:00 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

i like when everyone loses the ego and were all one creature


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: Noviseer]
    #8840283 - 08/28/08 09:16 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Very cool.  Never done an Ayalogue before, something about syrian rue really intimidates me (sickness/MAOI stuff).  Actually ayahuasca in general intimidates me, it just strikes me as being in a whole other realm of ego loss/disorientation.  But I figure since I've got the ingredients I should bite the bullet, right? I've tripped plenty of times on shoroms, lsd, pedro... ayahuasca just strikes me as being in a whole other league.  Anyway, could you answer a few questions?

1) outline your prep tek using MHRB and rue

2) how long does it last

3) what are your highest and lowest doses.  how about with mushrooms, what's a good dose for you? 

4) how does the experience compare to a mushroom trip?

5) how do you feel the day after?

6) do you have any rituals prior to ingestion? fasting? MAOI dietary restrictions?


There is no reason to fear the maoi inhibiting properties of rue if you diet correctly. Its very simple, and not dangerous as long as you avoid certain medications; foods are not really that dangerous to begin with, if you do happen to eat the wrong thing, you may just end up with a headache or something else benign. Just fast the day of the trip and youll be fine.

and as for your questions:

1) too lazy to do all of this at the moment

2) Depending on dosage, rue tends to last around 2-4 hours. If your using caapi, you can expect the trip to last around 4-6 hours.

3)I never go above 12 grams mimosa inner root bark, and 4 grams rue. For lower doses, which I do on a more constant basis, I use about 6 grams mimosa, and 2-3 grams rue.
Just keep in mind if you use syrian rue, the dosage varies from person to person. For me, I have to use at least 2 grams to obtain any maoi inhibiting properties. Others have reported that even less works for them.
My recommendation would be to begin with 3 grams.

With mushrooms, I dont like to take less than 5 grams dry. Anything less is fine for a fun, social tripping experience, but I like higher doses for the mystical experiences.

4)Very similiar in power IMO, but very different in content. Listen to Terrence Mkennas explanation on mushrooms and DMT, he puts it very well.

5)As soon as the trip is over, and for several weeks after, I feel absolutely amazing. My body feels purified, and my energy levels are through the roof. I feel wonderful emotionally, almost euphoric. Life feels entirely different, whatever was a previous reason for worry is now gone. It is a complete cleansing of the body, mind and spirit.

6) I meditate prior to any psychedelic excursion. Of course, always follow the proper dietary restrictions. Fasting for at least a day changes the entire experience immensely. It sets the mind, and prepares the body for the journey.


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8840302 - 08/28/08 09:25 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

i have to say an important thing to do is the sexual abstinence and not having sex while on it(tho it wont kill you, unless the sex is really pure it will take away from it a bit)

i had a trip almost completely canceled out cept for visuals cause sex.  while another time it was just the regular experience with some sex in it.

but anywho sex after those days  abstinence are way better. its nice to have it with a clearer soul


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Re: How much have you done ayahuasca? [Re: satyr]
    #8840303 - 08/28/08 09:25 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

thanks :thumbup: sounds incredibly healthy.  do you purge when you do this?


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