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DaZeDmerlin
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Self centered trip experience.
#8829209 - 08/26/08 04:36 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi, a small month back I had the weirdest experience, I took a blotter and a small hour later a second one.
First after a LOT of thinking processes I thought I was losing it and was going to stay in that state of mind forever.
I was truly convinced that life was only an illusion, that every single thing in life was all created by my own mind, all the things people once said to me came from my own immagination, every single invention was never invented by annyone, cause I invented everyone, my friends my enemies, the whole world was just an infinite loop of illusions, everything was just an illusion created by my own mind.There was no doubt left, I just knew it, cause it was crystal clear.
Then after a while I kinda panicked, cause I wasnt ment to find out the meaning of life, so my life in this illusion would come to an end now. Luckely I kinda realised that there could be a small chanche that I was wrong afterall, and that I was actually going crazy.
So when I finally was able to fall asleep I waked up, more or less normal, realising that it was just plain madness.But still I think life could be just an illusion.But its more complicated then one could ever immagine.
Did someone else had an experience like this, I mean, like you really thought you created it all, and that life is only an illusion, that nothing is real?
I tried to explain it in an understandable way, but it is really hard, I hope you could understand it a bit. Thank you.
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: DaZeDmerlin]
#8829211 - 08/26/08 04:38 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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We are all one consciousness experiencing ourselves subjectively.
Life is an illusion.
You're not the first, read some literature.
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: DaZeDmerlin]
#8829315 - 08/26/08 06:07 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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dude,
what you describe is a classic psychedelic experience on LSD. Like what tosatori said, i would read books: The Psychedelic Experience, Be Here Now are two good ones to start with.
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thedudenj
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: jdpod363]
#8829852 - 08/26/08 09:37 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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its funny how other people are yourself too
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: DaZeDmerlin]
#8829874 - 08/26/08 09:44 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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your talking about every day for me man
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: anyone420]
#8829988 - 08/26/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have had similar trip experiences...
But I am a skeptic, I dont actually believe my mind creates life..... Only creates the experience of my life.
"Its all in your head, maaaan" is true.... but not to the point where you could jump out a window and be able to fly just becuz your mind says so.
Life is an illusion.... sortof.... everything is reducible. Most of what we see , touch , hear , smell, taste is just empty spaces. Rub your finger tips over your computer desk. What does it "feel" like? Guess what. You dont actually know, all you know of is what your senses show you, there is a barrier between the object and how it is percieved... the "feeling" is just whatever nerves sending information related to pressue, temperature, pain , pleasure...etc etc. It is a mental/neurological interpretation of the object... but not anything of the actual object itself. Whats even more, you never ACTUALLY physically touched it... atoms repell each other, the atoms of your finger, NEVER actually came into contact with the atoms in the desk.
Another good example is communication, We can say words to one another trying to express an idea, but the way those words are interpreted is hardly ever the expression of the actual thought. Maybe, Once and awhile... You have said something to another person and had a DEEEEP feeling off understanding and knew they understood as well. <-- that is my exception. Other than that, Expect to be misunderstood, Very few people will actually take the time to HEAR, All they do is translate YOUR words into their mental frame.
Life as we see it is an illusion.
But, I do believe LIFE itself is a reality. The force that holds it all together and keeps it moving forward. As far as I am aware, Science hasnt unlocked that secret yet.
Anyways, mumbo jumbo and rambling.
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: Shad0w]
#8830037 - 08/26/08 10:18 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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i believe this life is an illusion.... and when you die, you control certain aspects of this reality through thought.... i dont know how exactly it works, but i have seen it in play, because i had a friend die many years back , yet i see him in life today, as if he has been recycled through the earth, and his spirit flows like electricity through living things.
i have seen him though animals, musicians, and comedians....
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: RedRainDrop]
#8830045 - 08/26/08 10:21 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, Dont let this make me sound like an ass...
But are you sure you arent projecting?
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: DaZeDmerlin]
#8830133 - 08/26/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I love psychedelics for their ability to make you actually experience philosophical ideas such as solipsism.
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DaZeDmerlin
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: deCypher]
#8830322 - 08/26/08 11:38 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dunno, about a classic LSD experience, I've never had it this bad, I thought I was gonna wake up in this state and was staying there forever, like a ticket to lifelong institutionalising. At that time I had all the answers, my eye's where wide open for this new reality, too bad that the revelation turned into dullness again the day after.All the knowledge felt kinda insane the morning after, while it was the ultimate truth for me then.
Ps; I knew the Bill Hick's quote before, but only now I realise how true it is.
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thedudenj
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: DaZeDmerlin]
#8830328 - 08/26/08 11:39 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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ha ha im still tripping on my last dose
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: DaZeDmerlin]
#8830337 - 08/26/08 11:41 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great. People who come out of an lsd trip with an understanding rather than still trying to block out or blow off what they experienced as a hallucinations are destined individuals being enlightened. Enlightenment doesn't happen instantly, it is a slow but gradual understanding of yourself and your surroundings. More people need to think on acid rather then fry and fry for the hallucinations.
Edited by jvm (08/26/08 11:41 AM)
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thedudenj
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: jvm]
#8830366 - 08/26/08 11:45 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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unless you were always enlightened. i always come out of everything with a new understanding its a neat way to live
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: thedudenj]
#8830377 - 08/26/08 11:47 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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thedudenj said: unless you were always enlightened. i always come out of everything with a new understanding its a neat way to live
Many people aren't enlightened and don't come out of these types of experiences with any real understanding. You'd be surprised, i was.
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thedudenj
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: jvm]
#8830435 - 08/26/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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i know alot of people arntlol
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: thedudenj]
#8830444 - 08/26/08 12:07 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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i thnk therefore i am i am not part of ur imagination i am my own thinking entity your thoughts do not portray my personality the way i have control over it
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thedudenj
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: Coaster]
#8830448 - 08/26/08 12:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coaster said: i thnk therefore i am i am not part of ur imagination i am my own thinking entity your thoughts do not portray my personality the way i have control over it
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: Coaster]
#8830492 - 08/26/08 12:23 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coaster said: i thnk therefore i am i am not part of ur imagination i am my own thinking entity your thoughts do not portray my personality the way i have control over it
I think you're just an externalization of my id.
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: DaZeDmerlin]
#8830515 - 08/26/08 12:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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DaZeDmerlin said: I dunno, about a classic LSD experience, I've never had it this bad, I thought I was gonna wake up in this state and was staying there forever, like a ticket to lifelong institutionalising. At that time I had all the answers, my eye's where wide open for this new reality, too bad that the revelation turned into dullness again the day after.All the knowledge felt kinda insane the morning after, while it was the ultimate truth for me then.
haha yup. Thats what lucy does, basically it leaves you yearning for more. You had a powerful psychedelic experience and to help your self try to analyze the core aspects of what seemed so true and powerful and try to apply it in your everyday life....
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: anyone420]
#8830640 - 08/26/08 01:03 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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anyone420 said: your talking about every day for me man
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: DaZeDmerlin]
#8831045 - 08/26/08 02:39 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know exactly what you went through/are going through. I think another poster mentioned this, but I also feel like you described every day. It seems like everything, as you said, is being created by my mind, and I seem to be losing touch with reality even when I'm not tripping. It's a pretty intimidating realization, but you're not the only one that has had it. However, I think that these realizations are good; you are exploring the depths of your mind and coming to the same conclusions that famous philosophers have had.
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: Platinum]
#8831568 - 08/26/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea, well, it's a bit hard actually to apply this in my everyday life, cause it all was so selfcentered, I know I did not create it all, but then it was obvious that it was all in my head, reality is illusion, illusion is therefore reality, it leaves me even more puzzeled then I allready was about life.
It's like having a conscious, lucid dream, you are there, this is reality, then you wake up bathing in sweat and half of the intense shit you've just bin trough is allready erased from your memory, a week later you allready forgot what happened...
But... it was reality, you where there, in another reality, and it was all as real as life itself, so, are we all creating eachother then? Are we all one huge mastermind, thinking independant, but still yet creating eachother, kinda like the screensaver, "Electric Sheep" constantly building upon eachother.
What will happen to or shared illusion/hallucination when the world actually will come to an end, will be destroyed, will it be replaced by another Illusion then? And what is the point of allways creating illusions of pure bliss or sheer terror? Do we need this infinite loop of illusions?
Cause one thing I realised, it's an illusion, and it is infinite, truely endless, it will never stop. There are too many questions that are left unanswered in this "pool" of mystery called life. I could literary go nut's thinking too much about it. I have thousends of questions, and I'm craving for knowledge, now more then ever before... The more you know, the less you actually know, it's true...
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: DaZeDmerlin]
#8832079 - 08/26/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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DaZeDmerlin said:
I was truly convinced that life was only an illusion, that every single thing in life was all created by my own mind, all the things people once said to me came from my own immagination, every single invention was never invented by annyone, cause I invented everyone, my friends my enemies, the whole world was just an infinite loop of illusions, everything was just an illusion created by my own mind.There was no doubt left, I just knew it, cause it was crystal clear.
that's called 'clear seeing.' You had a drug-induced enlightenment experience. The illusion is that your mind is separate from anything. you DO create everyone. you're creating "me" right now.
look into buddhism if you want to follow this path further. acid can show you what's real for a short time, but if you want to see clearly when you're sober, it takes mental training.
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supernovasky said: In my opinion, reality DOES exist
If it exists, where is it?
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Couldn't have stated my belief any better SuperNovaSky.
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For something to exist, you need a mind to perceive it. take away the mind and there is no location, no time, no space, and no meaning. so whatever is left is stripped of every attribute that I can think of that makes something 'real.'
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Shad0w
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Our bodies exist in a physical reality..... We can test this theory.
WARNING! The below is for mental description only, anyone fool hardy enuf to believe in a sort of reality that will suspend physical harm if it is outside their awareness..... is advised to not read this thread.
Sure, hypnosis can suspend the critical thinking.... Sure your mind has some level of control over automatic functions of the body when highly trained or put into states of suspended disbelief.
But, There are the limits.... Hypnosis or pyschedelic drugs, or meditation have yet to give a human the ability to fly. Acid jumpers unite! Show me the illusion that is the physical laws of the universe!
IF a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it.... Does it make a sound? REALITY exists without the almighty I. Just becuz your ability to perceive an event as a part of your experience of life...... doesnt mean the actual reality is in some form of non-existence without your perception.
Here is a test for your next trip and the practice of a physical reality beyond your mental frame....
Get a buddy, get some acid,trip hard enuf to get mental powers..... Go to another room while he does some random life threatening task( have him not tell you what it is until it is too late, wouldnt want your almighty consciousness to fk it up ) Then, wait about 30 mins.... or until you hear screaming for help.... Is reality an illusion? or is it simply YOUR ideas and thoughts of reality that are the illusion?
Humans are wierd.
P.S. suggestions for life threatening behaviors.... electric outlets and paper clips.... water-breathing... blood letting.
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: Shad0w]
#8832431 - 08/26/08 07:57 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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sorry shadow I actually don't get it. what does that thought experiment prove about physical reality? I'm not arguing that one can transcend the laws of physics, just that the laws of physics are contrived--they're just metaphors we use to describe the rules we've figured out.
If you're playing monopoly, and you realize that the monopoly money isn't real money, you can't just burn it, or will more into existence. if you fuck up the game you lose, whether or not the game is real.
And yea I see what you're saying supernovasky, about there being ripples out there in the universe. I believe that somewhere something is turning on and off. seems like you've got to have that. but to say that a photon exists independently? You can't have a photon without a scientist to tell you what a photon is, right? there's SOMETHING happening, I'm in agreement with you there. I don't think we live in an unbroken void.
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Re: Self centered trip experience. [Re: Noviseer]
#8832475 - 08/26/08 08:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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It was meant as a counter balance to the "our minds create reality and reality is an illusion" thoughts floating thru this thread....
Seen too many people IRL take those thoughts too far.
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There is a way between voice and presence where information flows. In disciplined silence it opens. With wandering talk it closes. - Rumi
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i love that feeling
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