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Offlineyoubreakyoubuy
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Is there a way?
    #8822293 - 08/24/08 09:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

So someone, please, what is the path of psychedelics?  How would I start down such a way considering the harsh penalties imposed by the state?  Is the use of psychedelics a condonable action when their very use has ethical undertones?  Whom do I look to for guidance?

How does one recognize or seek a mentor?  What if the mentor I find is not the mentor I want?  Do I need a mentor?  What if the path I pursue is not the path I need?

What if, no matter how passionately I vocalize my beliefs, I still am giving nothing but lip service?  How is the gap breached from airy flights of fancy to substance?  Is it determination?  If so, how do I stay determined?  How do I wake up tomorrow and remember the promises and the struggle of today?

Do the questions ever pause to be answered?

It's not easy and it's not quick is it?

Is it all a dream?  Is it all real?

Should I just have faith and take a step and hope for a step in the right direction?  Is that the whole point to the questions?  To cultivate faith in the fertile soil of the mind?  How does faith grow? 

I've been attending a Quaker meeting on and off for the last few months.  There's something there that grows with each visit.  It scares me.  Growing up a Southern Baptist and shunning Christ in my teenage years, I find it hard to identify myself as any kind of Christian.  The end of those years was unpleasant.  Yet....something grows.  If I just have faith--complete confidence--in the method and the practice but not the architect, will my faith be solid?  If plowed under, will my faith rise up to greet the sun?

Does questioning faith truly make it stronger?


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Re: Is there a way? [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
    #8822627 - 08/24/08 11:02 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Do you need faith to explore psychedelics?

Have an open mind, and allow for the possibility of unanswerable questions.  It's only by taking that first step into the murky, depthless stream that is the psychedelic experience that allows you to see the question from both perspectives.


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Re: Is there a way? [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
    #8822980 - 08/25/08 12:44 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

there's only one way to really know: do. (psychedelics)

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Re: Is there a way? [Re: deranger]
    #8823020 - 08/25/08 01:04 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

if you're really looking for a mentor, this guy may be able to help depending on your location, or if you are willing to travel.  PM him.

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=29076

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Re: Is there a way? [Re: deranger]
    #8823180 - 08/25/08 02:11 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Read Carlos Castaneda, he will teach you the right mindset to do psychedelics. Or read the kybalion, also gives you complete control over your mind once you understand the teachings. Completely understanding of your mind makes you immune for any bad effects. Because in the end, it's your mind playing tricks on you, not the shrooms, they only induce a certain state of mind.

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Re: Is there a way? [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
    #8823712 - 08/25/08 08:41 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Does questioning faith truly make it stronger?

No, it makes you stronger.

As to the rest you will have to trust to your best guess like we all do.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Is there a way? [Re: Icelander]
    #8823721 - 08/25/08 08:43 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Does questioning faith truly make it stronger?

No, it makes you stronger.

As to the rest you will have to trust to your best guess like we all do.




Didn't St. John of the Cross write about the long, dark night of the soul process whereby a devout Christian goes through an intensive questioning of the faith?  Supposedly after completion of this phase, one's faith is renewed and much stronger after the questioning.


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Re: Is there a way? [Re: deCypher]
    #8823730 - 08/25/08 08:46 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah nice story but it didn't happen that way for me. I purty much had to put my faith away after realizing that it was apparently just so much death anxiety.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Is there a way? [Re: Icelander]
    #8823735 - 08/25/08 08:47 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I could never hold on to faith in the same way.  Got to give the people who can credit for their dedication, though.


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Re: Is there a way? [Re: deCypher]
    #8823739 - 08/25/08 08:48 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Actually no. Most humans live on faith and it's mostly (IMO) based in fear.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Is there a way? [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
    #8823796 - 08/25/08 09:06 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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youbreakyoubuy said:
So someone, please, what is the path of psychedelics?  How would I start down such a way considering the harsh penalties imposed by the state?  Is the use of psychedelics a condonable action when their very use has ethical undertones?  Whom do I look to for guidance?

How does one recognize or seek a mentor?  What if the mentor I find is not the mentor I want?  Do I need a mentor?  What if the path I pursue is not the path I need?

What if, no matter how passionately I vocalize my beliefs, I still am giving nothing but lip service?  How is the gap breached from airy flights of fancy to substance?  Is it determination?  If so, how do I stay determined?  How do I wake up tomorrow and remember the promises and the struggle of today?

Do the questions ever pause to be answered?

It's not easy and it's not quick is it?

Is it all a dream?  Is it all real?

Should I just have faith and take a step and hope for a step in the right direction?  Is that the whole point to the questions?  To cultivate faith in the fertile soil of the mind?  How does faith grow? 

I've been attending a Quaker meeting on and off for the last few months.  There's something there that grows with each visit.  It scares me.  Growing up a Southern Baptist and shunning Christ in my teenage years, I find it hard to identify myself as any kind of Christian.  The end of those years was unpleasant.  Yet....something grows.  If I just have faith--complete confidence--in the method and the practice but not the architect, will my faith be solid?  If plowed under, will my faith rise up to greet the sun?

Does questioning faith truly make it stronger?





Maybe first realize that if you had an answer to all those questions, would you be satisfied? Would you not just find more ways of asking the same questions again & again? Or find more questions?

If you can practice true faith & surrender by all means do it, but myself i never wanted to surrender to anything like 'god' or 'jesus', because the mind sees surrender as a kind of submission to something outside & unknown, when the mind IS the known so its terrified of true surrender/the unknown, so instead enquiry found me.

If you enquire you come to have faith & surrender naturally because you see that you & the absolute are no different that all 'you' are is a finite idea appearing in the infinite, which is humbling followed by surrender & faith BUT its not having faith in some 'god' outside yourself, its having total trust in yourself

:peace:


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Re: Is there a way? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8824307 - 08/25/08 11:16 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Knowing I am part of the Absolute never makes me humble. In fact I get fired up like Speed Racer. I am the man.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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