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Re: Life without conflict [Re: Cyric]
    #8823639 - 08/25/08 05:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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I wish, however, that more people would have the same goal. It would be much easier that way.




:rofl2:



You can only tackle this one from your own end.  And maybe you can never get there, but you can get a lot closer.

Start here:

http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Higher-Consciousness-Ken-Keyes/dp/0960068880


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: demiu5]
    #8823666 - 08/25/08 05:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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yes, that day will be possible...when you no longer breathe and your brain no longer functions




And even that's a maybe.


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: Middleman]
    #8823678 - 08/25/08 05:24 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Middleman said:
Glowsticks are the way to peace.






BURNING MAN BABY, BURNING MAN:thumbup: The glow stick capital of the world.

About the only place I have seen peace in human community. And while it wasn't perfect it will certainly do until perfection arrives.


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: Diaboleros]
    #8823681 - 08/25/08 05:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Ants live in peace! Someday humans will do so too.




Yeah they just attack everything else.:lol: The Borg also live in peace.


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8823711 - 08/25/08 05:41 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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A world without conflict would be boring.  Sometimes you just need a little dissonance to keep things entertaining.




It would be if there was also no challenge. If everyone had constructive challenges to face and meet everyday, there would be no need for conflict and life wouldn't be boring.

You also said a mouthful in that, I bet most all conflict stems from boredom frustration.

I think conflict really stems from people not having enough healthy challenges in their life. Without constructive places to channel our energy that make us feel "accomplished" , it's easy to seek out conflict as a means for discharging excess energy and feeling 'accomplished" if you can dominate/win the conflict.

Constructive challenges could replace conflicts and no one would get bored.




Constructive challenges still just sound like the lame, PC cousin of conflict. :tongue:


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: deCypher]
    #8823715 - 08/25/08 05:42 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Life without conflict [Re: deCypher]
    #8823827 - 08/25/08 06:19 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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The Cypher said:
A world without conflict would be boring.  Sometimes you just need a little dissonance to keep things entertaining.




It would be if there was also no challenge. If everyone had constructive challenges to face and meet everyday, there would be no need for conflict and life wouldn't be boring.

You also said a mouthful in that, I bet most all conflict stems from boredom frustration.

I think conflict really stems from people not having enough healthy challenges in their life. Without constructive places to channel our energy that make us feel "accomplished" , it's easy to seek out conflict as a means for discharging excess energy and feeling 'accomplished" if you can dominate/win the conflict.

Constructive challenges could replace conflicts and no one would get bored.




Constructive challenges still just sound like the lame, PC cousin of conflict. :tongue:




Of course it is a cousin to conflict. There is an objective to be met in both conflicts and challenges alike.

I disagree that meeting constructive challenges is lamer then engaging in conflicts.

Ambitious people who set goals who are busy achieving them, really don't live lame lives at all. Would you call Micheal Jordans life lame?

Lame describes what doesn't move, a state where boredom can set in. Boredom turns to frustration and frustration can turn to creating conflict, as it looks for a release.

It can just as easily turn to something like a 6 mile uphill hike in the woods.

Like with the ants, who do not attack each other. They all have constructive jobs to do, they know what their job is and they naturally do it well. They are to busy  taking care of their colony to bother with picking fights with each other.

Like Ice said, if something else comes along to bust their grove or threaten the colony, then they will attack it in defence.

Humans don't come born with a job to do and a natural ability to do it well. When they don't develop skills and create challenging work/play for themselves, they tend to turn to causing conflict looking for an easy challenge to meet.


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: Cyric]
    #8823860 - 08/25/08 06:33 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Until everyone and everything in the world is exactly the same, there WILL be conflict.  I think that many people view conflict in terms of war/battle, and this is one of the definitions of the word.  However, another definition is:

"A state of disharmony between incompatible or antithetical persons, ideas, or interests."

With this definition, one can choose a neutral attitude towards conflict, and proceed to resolve or compromise in order to end the conflict.  This happens throughout the day, mostly without fanfare.  An example:  walking to work this morning, I looked up the street & saw that someone else was walking on the same "side" of the sidewalk as I was.  If we each continued on our current course, we would collide.  I took a step to my left, and we passed each other without incident.  This was a conflict.

Now, had we been walking along a tightrope suspended 500 feet in the air, this conflict might have been more difficult to resolve.  :grin:  IMO, the real problem is that too many of us approach conflicts as though they are walking on a tightrope, when all that is necessary is a small step to one side.


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: Cyric]
    #8823921 - 08/25/08 06:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Cyric said:
Every day I dream of the day when I live with no conflict in my life. I know one day it will be possible.

I wish, however, that more people would have the same goal. It would be much easier that way.




To lose conflict lose your sense of autonomy, take the division out of your vision

Most conflict is just thought, "i think this, you think that" to go beyond conflict go beyond thinking. Without thought what conflict is there? (remebering any answer you give is just another thought)

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Re: Life without conflict [Re: Veritas]
    #8823966 - 08/25/08 07:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Good post Ver.

Where you see the two walking straight for each other as a conflict that needs to be resolved before collision, I see it as a challenge, one of, how to keep moving towards where I want to go , without hitting anything in my way.

I think the conflict begins, when neither party steps to the side.

The OP may not be able to ever fully rid his life of conflict, yet he can start seeing it as a challenge to avoid them, using your post as a great analogy example for any situation.

Avoiding conflict doesn't mean you have to become submissive to what wants to dominate you. Avoiding conflict can mean, making it a challenge for conflict to be able to collide with you as you go about your business.

I think the problem is, not enough people have enough "healthy" business to attend too.

Like with your example, if you need to get where you are going, you will gladly take a step to the side to be able to keep moving forward. Watch someone late for a flight. they will weave and dodge around anyone to get to that gate.

Look at someone with 3 hours to kill before take off. They will let those in a rush do the weaving and dodging around them. If two bored people with time to kill collide, they have time to engage in battle.

For one who has too much time on their hands, they may enjoy not budging, and letting the other bump right into them so they can start a fight, as they need something to do. I think it's the mind in a lame state that looks for the easy 'energy engagements" and live in a lot of conflict.


I was watching the History channel the other day about this ruler, who was conquering and dominating Europe and the middle east in the dark ages, undoing what progress one small ruler made trying to get his people out of the dark ages.

Once he had conquered and dominated the land he wanted rule over, his lame mind, didn;t know what to do with his bored army. To give his army something to do, he decided to use them to start the Christian Crusades.

He could've chose something more "PC" like using that force to build schools and infrastructure to boost economic development with to help bring them out of the dark ages.


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8824118 - 08/25/08 07:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the conflict begins, when neither party steps to the side.




Well, that would fall under the other definition of conflict.  :shrug: 

Basically, when a conflict is not easily resolved, it is likely due to the "incompatible" goals being translated into immovable positions.  (I'm right, you're wrong.  You step to the side, no YOU step to the side!)  In my example, the conflict could be resolved through identification of the underlying interests (both of us want to walk on the sidewalk, both of us want to pass without physical contact, both of us wish to progress towards our destinations).  Since all of our interests can be satisfied, and are not mutually-exclusive, resolution of that particular conflict was swift and painless.

Now imagine my second example, wherein the scarce resource (tightrope) does not allow both of our interests to be satisfied.  Additionally, the fact that the tightrope is suspended 500 feet in the air eliminates our other options.  Assuming that we have a common interest of progressing towards our destinations, as well as a lack of interest in harming or being harmed in the process, it will be necessary to negotiate a compromise. 

When we get locked into our immovable positions, conflict becomes a battle.  If we can recognize our interests, and work together to satisfy as many non-exclusive interests as possible, there is no need for a battle.


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: Veritas]
    #8824211 - 08/25/08 07:57 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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When we get locked into our immovable positions, conflict becomes a battle.  If we can recognize our interests, and work together to satisfy as many non-exclusive interests as possible, there is no need for a battle.




That's what the OP needs to examine (his immovable positions in life)

Unless, he was referring to being surrounded by people who are always in a state of conflict. Even still, his immovable position is the problem. He needs to move away from them. :lol:

if not, he should start reading up on the arts of compromise.

I think some people who live with a lot of inner conflict, are usually the types who are good at standing in their own way because of indecision.

" I want to do this, but I don't want that, which comes with it."

"I want to do this and that at the same time"

"I don't know what I want to do but I want to do something"

That sort of inner dialogue, can create a lot of boredom and frustration, that then leads one to creating battle conflicts with others around them, as a way to release the pressure they put on themselves.


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: Cyric]
    #8824241 - 08/25/08 08:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

A life without conflict is a life devoid of any growth or happiness. You have to realize that there is conflict all around you; it is an ambient force, without which you would be lost in an artless world.

to dream of a utopia is to live a life in vain. It cannot and should not happen.


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: deranger]
    #8824281 - 08/25/08 08:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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I was drinking yagermeister last night, and the ants were drinking my spills.  first time Ive ever been really at peace with ants.




some daddy long legs ate some of my mushroom apple sauce once. i can say i was at peace with it but it was a bit waling funny. they are usually peaceful things except the night before those things were at war with each other. Apparently when mating they fight with each other ripping of each others legs and crazy shit like that.

personally i accept conflict in my life maybe a bit to much but i do love it so what can i say. i think its important people find conflict in life that they atleast enjoy.


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: thedudenj]
    #8824439 - 08/25/08 08:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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i think its important people find conflict in life that they atleast enjoy.





You must also be describing the artistic ones lego is defending who like to paint their walls clashing red and orange in the same space. :lol:

Some people definetely choose to put conflict into their own lives in many ways. Probably their need for a lot of exciting action to be taking place. Maybe that is what someone said about life seeming lame to them without conflict. They need the high excitement.

When I feel like I need high excitment action, I'll do stuff like ride rollar coasters, or water sports etc. Engaging or watching conflict isn't the only option for experiencing action excitement.

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Re: Life without conflict [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8824460 - 08/25/08 08:52 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
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The Cypher said:
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gettinjiggywithit said:
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The Cypher said:
A world without conflict would be boring.  Sometimes you just need a little dissonance to keep things entertaining.




It would be if there was also no challenge. If everyone had constructive challenges to face and meet everyday, there would be no need for conflict and life wouldn't be boring.

You also said a mouthful in that, I bet most all conflict stems from boredom frustration.

I think conflict really stems from people not having enough healthy challenges in their life. Without constructive places to channel our energy that make us feel "accomplished" , it's easy to seek out conflict as a means for discharging excess energy and feeling 'accomplished" if you can dominate/win the conflict.

Constructive challenges could replace conflicts and no one would get bored.




Constructive challenges still just sound like the lame, PC cousin of conflict. :tongue:




Of course it is a cousin to conflict. There is an objective to be met in both conflicts and challenges alike.

I disagree that meeting constructive challenges is lamer then engaging in conflicts.

Ambitious people who set goals who are busy achieving them, really don't live lame lives at all. Would you call Micheal Jordans life lame?

Lame describes what doesn't move, a state where boredom can set in. Boredom turns to frustration and frustration can turn to creating conflict, as it looks for a release.

It can just as easily turn to something like a 6 mile uphill hike in the woods.

Like with the ants, who do not attack each other. They all have constructive jobs to do, they know what their job is and they naturally do it well. They are to busy  taking care of their colony to bother with picking fights with each other.

Like Ice said, if something else comes along to bust their grove or threaten the colony, then they will attack it in defence.

Humans don't come born with a job to do and a natural ability to do it well. When they don't develop skills and create challenging work/play for themselves, they tend to turn to causing conflict looking for an easy challenge to meet.




a thing about ants if you take two of them put em in a jar and shake em, they will fight and start ripping off each others arms. can you explain that. I was like 6 or something when i did it motivated by getho kids doing with me, it was very black and getho


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: thedudenj]
    #8824483 - 08/25/08 08:59 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

My "guess" would be, spending a lot of time observing and dealing with those little fuckers 'fire ants" in my gardens, would be this.

When something gets uber pissed off feeling threatened and attacked , in this case, the shaking of the jar, it will lash out at ANYTHING it can nearby.

Same with things in a state of extreme panick or shock.

Shock from the shaking could explain it too.

My dad was once in a BAD car accident and something like 5 guys, some were firemen , were helping him out and to the ambulance. My dad was fighting all of them like a madman. They said shock will do that.


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8825284 - 08/25/08 11:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Also, if we mess with ant pheromones, we can apparently trigger a civil war in an ant colony.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14840799/


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: deCypher]
    #8825394 - 08/25/08 11:51 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

What about Sunni pheremones?


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Re: Life without conflict [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8825418 - 08/25/08 11:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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What about Sunni pheremones?




They appearantly had a noxious chemical reaction with shiite pheremones.


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