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RogerRabbit
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: UncleMike]
#8815727 - 08/23/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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UncleMike said: Why are shrooms grown on cakes weaker than shrooms grown on hpoo?
They aren't. Potency is genetic, provided they have the substrate nutrients they require for proper growth, which all common substrates discussed on this board provide.
With multispore inoculation, every grow has different genetics. Often, fruits on the same flush will be vastly different in potency, because more than one 'strain' may be active on the same substrate. That's also why you might get a dud batch with horse manure, and the next inoculations on coir or brf cakes might be great, leading a new grower to mistakenly think it was the different substrate that resulted in the more potent fruits. RR
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Do "duds" have higher potency? [Re: libertaire]
#8815793 - 08/23/08 01:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is it true that "duds" or mushrooms that seem to appear "stunted" in growth have a higher potency than those that fully grow to open and extend their caps?
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Someones going to search this topic later on and find someone telling them to search...
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: ray40cal]
#8815960 - 08/23/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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veda_sticks said: god can we please use the search. this topic is been covered in detail in many threads.
and coincidentaly if you read threw the forums (as i dò) this has been answered several times in the ast week directly and indirectly.
hour ban for new posts on potency?
Why does every thread have to have someone like you come in and defile it? I think you need a 1 hour ban. Sorry for hijacking but I do see this type of behavior in every thread, and it does give the shroomery a bad rep.
Amen to that!!!
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: UncleMike]
#8816095 - 08/23/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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PE & PE Uncut are good sub strains. They turn blue just from moving them.
-So start with MS and then clone a big blueing fruit an TADA you will get some pretty potent strains
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8816274 - 08/23/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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UncleMike said: Why are shrooms grown on cakes weaker than shrooms grown on hpoo?
They aren't. Potency is genetic, provided they have the substrate nutrients they require for proper growth, which all common substrates discussed on this board provide.
With multispore inoculation, every grow has different genetics. Often, fruits on the same flush will be vastly different in potency, because more than one 'strain' may be active on the same substrate. That's also why you might get a dud batch with horse manure, and the next inoculations on coir or brf cakes might be great, leading a new grower to mistakenly think it was the different substrate that resulted in the more potent fruits. RR
There it is from the man himself.
So I have got to get to work on strain isolation and cloning..I've had horrible, horrible luck with multi-spore inoculations.
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: HazeyRoms]
#8817211 - 08/23/08 06:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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HazeyRoms said: PE & PE Uncut are good sub strains. They turn blue just from moving them.
-So start with MS and then clone a big blueing fruit an TADA you will get some pretty potent strains
Blue bruising is not a sign of potent mushrooms.
experienced growers will tell you that some of the most potent shrooms they had did not bruise or hadly bruised at all.
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UncleMike
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8817361 - 08/23/08 06:55 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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UncleMike said: Why are shrooms grown on cakes weaker than shrooms grown on hpoo?
They aren't. Potency is genetic, provided they have the substrate nutrients they require for proper growth, which all common substrates discussed on this board provide.
With multispore inoculation, every grow has different genetics. Often, fruits on the same flush will be vastly different in potency, because more than one 'strain' may be active on the same substrate. That's also why you might get a dud batch with horse manure, and the next inoculations on coir or brf cakes might be great, leading a new grower to mistakenly think it was the different substrate that resulted in the more potent fruits. RR
ok, this has happened in my experiences before and it seemed that hpoo had more potent shrooms than cakes....i guess that there are more quantity of shrooms on hpoo than on cakes and this is why it seemed as i thought. thank you for the clarification RR, you da man!!
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: veda_sticks]
#8818533 - 08/24/08 12:44 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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HazeyRoms said: PE & PE Uncut are good sub strains. They turn blue just from moving them.
-So start with MS and then clone a big blueing fruit an TADA you will get some pretty potent strains
Blue bruising is not a sign of potent mushrooms.
experienced growers will tell you that some of the most potent shrooms they had did not bruise or hadly bruised at all.
Yeah, blueing just means it's an active fruit body. Sometimes they wont even blue to a noticeable extent, but are still very potent. My friends are all crazy about the 'blue boomers' though. All you gotta do is squeeze the stem before you dry em
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AdoreChampignons said: Is it true that "duds" or mushrooms that seem to appear "stunted" in growth have a higher potency than those that fully grow to open and extend their caps?
yeah they're called aborts. aborts usually have significantly higher psilocin and psilocybin content, and from my experience, an abort can have the potency of up to 3 times its full fruited counterparts
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: openmind]
#8818628 - 08/24/08 01:39 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Potency is all in your mind.
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: BrandNewbie]
#8819199 - 08/24/08 08:20 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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BrandNewbie said: Potency is all in your mind.

that is a crock pot full of shit!!!
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RogerRabbit
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: UncleMike]
#8819242 - 08/24/08 08:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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an abort can have the potency of up to 3 times its full fruited counterparts
Aborts are no more potent than any other pin their size. As I've said for years, they're at the most potent as pins, and then the potency/weight ratio declines from there. If you want more potent fruits, pick them as large pins before the veil begins to tear. I keep seeing pictures of large, spore covered fruits posted here, and then they complain about low potency.  RR
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8819292 - 08/24/08 08:58 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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thanks rr i was told to pick right after the veil tears.but i will be following your advice
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: ddtc]
#8820834 - 08/24/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well yeah if you pick pins then gram per gram they'll be more potent. But overall, they'll have less actives than the mature fruits. I let mine get the viel opened, cap pretty much flat, and 2 grams is still the limit. Plus if you pick all the pins off of a cake for potency, it still might not be a high enough gram dosage to do much. You'd have to let at least one more flush come through before you can get a dose. Shrooms don't contain ALL of their actives by the time they reach pins, or right before the viel breaks either. After the viel breaks, they'll still produce more psilly chemicals, just not as many as they did early in life. In other words, if I had 2 identical shrooms, and picked one before viel breakage, but let hte other one grow for a couple more days, the bigger one will contain more actives overall.
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: ray40cal]
#8820943 - 08/24/08 04:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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They taste better before the veil breaks....
Plus a lot less to eat....
And they look cooler....
No spore mess everywhere.....
Dunno about potency... My ASSUMPTION is that once it begins to sporulate, it is on the downward spiral of its life cycle... Which i tend to think means, no more new chems..... OR at least not for very long.
If someone could clarify wether or not chems are still being produced after cap is fully open and spores dropping like crazy, it would be great....
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: Shad0w]
#8821047 - 08/24/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mushrooms do not grow by cell devision, like we do. They have a certain number of cells that JUST BECOME LARGER due to water content. This is why RR states that mushrooms are more potent as pins. If "X" is the amount of actives that are contained in a pin. Then "X" will be the amount of actives in that same mushroom upon maturity. The only difference being, the size of the mushroom due to H2O making the cells of the fruit larger. This is why the larger mushrooms appear to have less actives than the pins. In reality, they don't have LESS actives, they have larger MASS with the same amount of actives. Therefore you must eat a larger amount of fruit to ingest the same amount of actives.
Eating 2 grams of mature fruit will be ingesting less actives than eating 2 grams of pins. I know it's a sore point around here, but what can I say?
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: UncleMike]
#8821100 - 08/24/08 04:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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UncleMike said:
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BrandNewbie said: Potency is all in your mind.

that is a crock pot full of shit!!!
Dude, it's a joke. Actives=in your mind. Get it? It loses it's humor when it has to be explained...
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Re: What factors determine potency? [Re: BrandNewbie]
#8821230 - 08/24/08 05:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't get it can you explain it again?
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