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Re: Blewmeanie's signature pic makes me so angry [Re: Veritas]
    #8810918 - 08/22/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Ideals are good principles to live by.  My only point was that this seems a much weaker basis by which to found one's ethical system than on the certainty that a religious-minded individual finds in the absolute codes dictated by God.


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Re: Blewmeanie's signature pic makes me so angry [Re: deCypher]
    #8810973 - 08/22/08 12:32 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Really?  It seems to me that an internally-based ethical structure would be much stronger than one based upon fear of punishment by an invisible supernatural being.  After all, believers still commit "sins" & break their God's laws...possibly with greater frequency than non-believers.

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Re: Blewmeanie's signature pic makes me so angry [Re: Veritas]
    #8811014 - 08/22/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, but they commit immoral acts with a greater amount of guilt than non-beleafers.


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Re: Blewmeanie's signature pic makes me so angry [Re: Veritas]
    #8811105 - 08/22/08 01:00 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Sure, if you're talking about those religious people who only obey their moral principles because their pastor or their mother told them to, or because of fear of punishment.  I'm talking about the believers who act morally because they believe that, according to God, acting in such a way is GOOD.  (Kohlberg's first stage in moral development vs. his sixth, except to the believer the "universal ethical principles" are replaced with God's laws.)

And I'm not arguing that it's harder to follow one's internally based ethical structure as opposed to something imposed from without--I'm merely stating that the certainty upon which one lives one's life morally is stronger if you believe that your moral rules have an absolute existence, as opposed to something you arbitrarily decided was right based on your internal convictions at the time.

And yeah, I read some statistic recently relating to believers being less likely to act as the Good Samaritan than nonbelievers.  Do you have any sources on that?


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Re: Blewmeanie's signature pic makes me so angry [Re: deCypher]
    #8812821 - 08/22/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

:rofl:

Fixed, just for you....:strokebeard:


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Re: Blewmeanie's signature pic makes me so angry [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8813341 - 08/22/08 09:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Much better!!


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Re: Blewmeanie's signature pic makes me so angry [Re: Diploid]
    #8813642 - 08/22/08 11:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
From what I see, most pro-lifers are also in favor of killing kids in Iraq




Dood....!?    :what:
I don't thing that anyone is in favor of killing kids in Iraq....   
Pro-lifers or otherwise....


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Re: Blewmeanie's signature pic makes me so angry [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8814601 - 08/23/08 07:47 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

If they're being killed then someone is in favor of it. Rest assured on that.


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Re: Blewmeanie's signature pic makes me so angry [Re: Icelander]
    #8817399 - 08/23/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Without a draft I wonder who that would be?

No one signs up to be killed.  No one sends in the troops with the intention of killing them.  Yet, both the sender and the sendee know this is a possibility.

Iraq isn't Vietnam--not by a longshot.


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