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Everything is love?
    #8814820 - 08/23/08 11:02 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Post your evidence here.:heart:


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: Icelander]
    #8814842 - 08/23/08 11:10 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

We live in a reality of dualities, everything cannot be love without there also being hate. If all was love then we'd have no countenance in which to describe it as.


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: Protoman]
    #8814859 - 08/23/08 11:18 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Love and hate are the same thing... so in the end, everything is love. Each feeling of hate is rooted in love AFAIK.


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: Protoman]
    #8814926 - 08/23/08 11:40 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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We live in a reality of dualities, everything cannot be love without there also being hate. If all was love then we'd have no countenance in which to describe it as.




I would say the polar opposite to hate is like.

It's my understanding the polar opposite to selfish love is fear.

Then there is the unselfish sort of love which knows no fear, simply because , loss isn't an issue when self interest or self investment expecting a return on investment, isn't involved.

Ice's use of the word love needs to be defined too.

I think everything is energy. For some people energy is a force/power they think of as being love, because without the power of energy, there would be no force of creation, and they see the force that creates everything we know, as an unselfish gift of love.

I think what Ice may be looking for from them is, what about when energy is used for destruction, for selfish gains? I'll add real quick that some who see everything as love, recognize the gift of free will to use the energy as one pleases, for construction or destruction.

In those cases where the creative force is used for destruction, I would say, selfish love is at least in play by the one using energy destructively to achieve some sort of self satisfaction.

From there, if perspective is pulled back far enough, one can see love, in that, one has been given the freedom of use with the power it has been given-unconditional. They see the unconditional motive behind the source of creative energy/power and free will.

Maybe what I typed will give everyone a little more to work with here.


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8815105 - 08/23/08 12:39 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

this phrase
"everything is love"
relates to a synthesis of commitment and realization
a kind of epiphany in which several layers are appreciated as one
several life stories compress and connect and the only good choice is
the commitment to loving kindness which knits things together.

this may not be proof
but it is the way I collect evidence


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8815557 - 08/23/08 02:40 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Love is a human-made emotion. It does not exist outside of the human world. While many animals show an emotion that humans can put a label on, maybe even "love", say all humans and these animals capable of forming these emotions vanished from the earth.

Would there still be 'love' as you call it?

No, but there would be brilliant trees, nature, and life.

Rivers, ecosystems, gnats, insects... There would be millions of species of animals, but I do not think that love is what makes them 'tick'.  Love is not a fundamental truth of the Universe... only one that was enscribed by humans. I'm not saying whether it is good or bad, since both of those ideals were also thought of by humans.

Good and bad also do not exist fundamentally except in relation to the good and bad that we do unto other beings and the Earth as a whole.

So no, I don't think everything is love. Everything is Everything.


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: Patisotagami]
    #8815571 - 08/23/08 02:43 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I have tested this hypothesis and found it to be untrue.  Everything has an opposite, including love.  Selfishness is the opposite of love IMO.


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: silly_sigh_ben]
    #8815659 - 08/23/08 03:04 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

selfishness is really confusing


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8815731 - 08/23/08 03:31 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
selfishness is really confusing




so is love....


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: Patisotagami]
    #8815743 - 08/23/08 03:35 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Love is a human-made emotion. It does not exist outside of the human world. While many animals show an emotion that humans can put a label on, maybe even "love", say all humans and these animals capable of forming these emotions vanished from the earth.

Would there still be 'love' as you call it?

No, but there would be brilliant trees, nature, and life.

Rivers, ecosystems, gnats, insects... There would be millions of species of animals, but I do not think that love is what makes them 'tick'.  Love is not a fundamental truth of the Universe... only one that was enscribed by humans. I'm not saying whether it is good or bad, since both of those ideals were also thought of by humans.

Good and bad also do not exist fundamentally except in relation to the good and bad that we do unto other beings and the Earth as a whole.

So no, I don't think everything is love. Everything is Everything.




Couldn't have said it better myself.


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: silly_sigh_ben]
    #8815778 - 08/23/08 03:45 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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silly_sigh_ben said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
selfishness is really confusing




so is love....



when you put it like that
it certainly is!


that's why this thread is not exactly about an observed axiom,
or a single definition or logic,
but an epiphanic synthesis,
one which reflects back at
layering together and re-connection
(love)
and perpetuation.

without perpetuation, it would have already stopped.
somehow this is linked.


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: Diaboleros]
    #8815892 - 08/23/08 04:11 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Love and hate are the same thing... so in the end, everything is love. Each feeling of hate is rooted in love AFAIK.




If they are same you show prejudice. "so in the end everything is hate":tongue:


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Edited by Icelander (08/23/08 04:11 PM)


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: silly_sigh_ben]
    #8816780 - 08/23/08 06:49 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I have tested this hypothesis and found it to be untrue.  Everything has an opposite, including love.  Selfishness is the opposite of love IMO.




How can love possibly not have been invented by humans?

Not the feeling... but the value... the "word", the importance.

The feeling is there solely because of neuronal interchange through millions of neurotransmitters in your brain intricately exchanging their messages between neurons every moment.

We live in a world on non-reality, where the brain controls what our conscious self perceives to be true. Thus, love cannot be everything, since love is just something that humans have made up. Please help me understand how you have tested the hypothesis i am describing. Then tell me what brought you to believe it to be untrue, I am very interested. If you came to that conclusion, I would also like to come to it.


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: Icelander]
    #8818221 - 08/24/08 01:08 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

The universe as we know it exists because of particles binding together in Love...

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Re: Everything is love? [Re: Icelander]
    #8819062 - 08/24/08 08:54 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Emptiness is love & it isnt a thing, its empty so it cant be prooven, you can discover it within yourself but its totally impossible to be prooven by any objective science as its beyond all, beyond even emptiness (when held as a concept)

It never will be prooven by science as science deals with things, this is the source of all things that cant be touched by things

Maybe people dislike others talking about it because the words only point to the wordless, but to be honest when you discover it its the only thing worth talking about!

This is why so many religions talk about egolessness, emptiness, surrender....in order to understand this immense everythingness you must become nothingness, otherwise your mind is holding some false impression of what it should be & closed off to the truth, when your empty truth has room to reveal itself in you, when you are full of ideas the truth is clouded by your thoughts.

People who consider themselves wise should use theyre power of knowing on themselves, know the knower, otherwise you'll be an alien to your true self.


:peace:


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8819194 - 08/24/08 10:17 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Emptiness is love & it isnt a thing, its empty so it cant be prooven, you can discover it within yourself but its totally impossible to be prooven by any objective science as its beyond all, beyond even emptiness (when held as a concept)


I said post your proofs here. Not your wishes or unconscious death anxiety. :wink:
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People who consider themselves wise should use theyre power of knowing on themselves, know the knower, otherwise you'll be an alien to your true self.


Gee dude, you're shoulding all over this thread and for someone who never has proof of what they say you sure seem to know what we all "should" do. Thanks.


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8820188 - 08/24/08 03:26 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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This is why so many religions talk about egolessness, emptiness, surrender




Talk is about it. Where are the fruits of this wisdom?

Religion and ego (my teachings are right, yours are wrong) go hand in hand.


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: Icelander]
    #8820349 - 08/24/08 04:07 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Diaboleros said:
Love and hate are the same thing... so in the end, everything is love. Each feeling of hate is rooted in love AFAIK.




If they are same you show prejudice. "so in the end everything is hate":tongue:



Yes good point, but this does point out you can choose yourself between love and hate, and if you can, what is the most pleasant feeling? Why choose hate if you can feel love? They are the same thing in the end, we just experience it differently.


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: Icelander]
    #8821186 - 08/24/08 07:14 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Post your evidence here.:heart:




I will post you my evidence about "everything is love" when I can post evidence that we live in a "perfect world"....    :thumbup:


>^;;^<


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Re: Everything is love? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8823644 - 08/25/08 10:04 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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This is why so many religions talk about egolessness, emptiness, surrender




Talk is about it. Where are the fruits of this wisdom?






What all beings seek, true fulfillment.

I dont think thats too much of a bold statement, to say all beings essentially seek unbroken happyness & fulfillment & that you can find it inside yourself.

Its all inside you, but through the illusion of life you beleive it all to be outside you.


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