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 Cognitive_Shift
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 Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip??  [Re: g00ru]
#8863374 - 09/01/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry if im being ignorant, but what im trying to explain is by my definition of "hyperdimensional" space im refering to the other dimension that i go to during breakthrough DMT trips. Where literally science has no meaning.
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#8863379 - 09/01/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok just for the sake of argument I'll accept the idea of another dimension. Maybe the laws there are so bizarre and convoluted that it appears to be chaos, when in fact it isn't at all.
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#8863394 - 09/01/08 10:21 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said:
Sorry if im being ignorant, but what im trying to explain is by my definition of "hyperdimensional" space im refering to the other dimension that i go to during breakthrough DMT trips. Where literally science has no meaning.
Okay. I'm going to throw you a bone for the sake of argument and assume that DMT space is a real place that you visit. As I said before, it must be governed by a set of laws. There is no such thing as true chaos. Again, let us assume that DMT space is real and you really are visiting it when you smoked DMT. Whilst in DMT space, you are profoundly altered and in no state to observe the laws that govern the place.
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: LSDreamer]
#8863396 - 09/01/08 10:22 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Haha LSDreamer our posts seem to parallel each other.
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: g00ru]
#8863405 - 09/01/08 10:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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guruu said:
Haha LSDreamer our posts seem to parallel each other.
Great minds think alike and all that 
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: LSDreamer]
#8863438 - 09/01/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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And while I agree with both of you, I think we an all agree that it's far more likely that the experience of DMT stems from within our minds, not from insight into an actual hyperdimensional space that exists external to our known universe.
It's amazing, it's beautiful, it's mindblowing, but I see no reason to believe it's an external "reality".
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: g00ru]
#8863458 - 09/01/08 10:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its just wierd cuz all physical things in waking reality is made of matter and certain physical laws apply to the matter in which it exists in space. But in breakthrough DMT dimension (for lack of better word) (IMO) everything is made of energy/light not matter, extremely difficult to explain but thats how i perceive it. For example i have had entities singing out complex geometrical patterns with lights flowing through it but it has no outline. Its super fucking wierd and thats the best way to explain it cuz i feel that words are incredibly bad at explaining mystical/psychedelic experience. But yeah didnt mean to make this a trip report im just explaining that i have experienced a relhm of consciousness where science has no meaning.
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#8863489 - 09/01/08 10:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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^Matter is simply condensed energy.
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: LSDreamer]
#8863502 - 09/01/08 10:43 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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LSDreamer said:
^Matter is simply condensed energy.
Or is energy merely expanded matter?
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: deCypher]
#8863507 - 09/01/08 10:44 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Cypher said:
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LSDreamer said:
^Matter is simply condensed energy.
Or is energy merely expanded matter?
I'm gonna go ahead and say both. Though if I had to guess, I would guess that energy existed before matter.
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8863523 - 09/01/08 10:49 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Entropymancer said:
And while I agree with both of you, I think we an all agree that it's far more likely that the experience of DMT stems from within our minds, not from insight into an actual hyperdimensional space that exists external to our known universe.
It's amazing, it's beautiful, it's mindblowing, but I see no reason to believe it's an external "reality".
And i believe its more likely that it exists only in my mind. But to me breakthrough experience seems more real than waking reality. just IMO, but we will never truly know. And how to we know that what were experiencing as awake is real. What makes waking reality more real than DMT reality
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#8863582 - 09/01/08 11:02 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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and what set of laws are there for quantum mechanics? isn't that true chaos? Or is it that we dont understand these laws?
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#8863684 - 09/01/08 11:26 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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^Quantum physics is very new. We're still learning a lot about what's going on at the quantum level. Hopefully the LHC will provide some insight. I do not believe quantum physics is chaos, it is just very complicated and confusing. Its the stuff reality is made of more or less. Of course its difficult to understand.
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: LSDreamer]
#8863704 - 09/01/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is very new but i read about it in a book called "The elegant universe: Superstrings, Hidden Dimensions, and the Quest for the Ultimate Theory." Its by brian greene its a very interesting read, and in the world of physics it appears that quantum mechanics acts in complete random.
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#8863720 - 09/01/08 11:35 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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^I just do not think that we know nearly enough about quantum physics to declare it random. I don't think true randomness has ever even been demonstrated, though I could be wrong. I suspect that extensive study of the god particle (if the LHC is able to produce them) will provide great insight.
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: LSDreamer]
#8863756 - 09/01/08 11:42 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh yeah i agree im not declaring it random, its just saying from our best understanding of quantum mechanics it operates in random. Have u read much and QM?
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#8863765 - 09/01/08 11:45 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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^I've read enough to have a basic understanding of the subject. I haven't read extensively.
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: LSDreamer]
#8863790 - 09/01/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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You ever heard of string theory man? Its pretty fucking interesting although its only theory it can explain a lot of shit.
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#8863795 - 09/01/08 11:53 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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^Isn't the majority of string theory considered rubbish these days? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: Super scientific atheistic skeptic = can't trip?? [Re: LSDreamer]
#8863812 - 09/01/08 11:59 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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LOL, the only reason science cannot explain everything is because every question creates 10 more.
religion is better at it because "facts" are made only once.
religion , however, reflects science in many ways.
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