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OfflinePsy Baba
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A question of origin
    #8811518 - 08/22/08 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Origin:

1.something from which anything arises or is derived; source; fountainhead: to follow a stream to its origin.

    We are something, Space is something, Therefor we have an origin.

To follow our origin back scientifically, we reach a point called Planck's wall.  Named after Max Planck, a German physicist.  This "wall" is when the universe, in theory, was ten trillion trillion times smaller than a hydrogen atom.

So, we have reached a point beyond comprehensibility.  But what created, or what phenomenon occurred to create the initial response?

  When science is asked this question, many times it is answered with "dark matter", but I ask, what then created the dark matter?  What created the mass considered "the big bang" ?

Our universe is expanding at an increasing rate, making the infinite space, infinitely larger, to what extent?

My personal theory is that space is infinite for a purpose.  We can travel from planet to planet, from galaxy to galaxy, searching for life every so fruitlessly.  Our condition is so perfect, so harmonious, so one in an infinite number.  We have been provided such beauty, that only we can appreciate.

We have been "given" (I say this in a way I believe to be a gift) consciousness to observe and question our surroundings. We have been given emotion, to love, to hate.  The thought of questioning existence alone in my mind would rid the absolute thoery of evolution.

  How can we achieve physical manifestation from nothingness, without creation?


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Re: A question of origin [Re: Psy Baba]
    #8811765 - 08/22/08 05:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Does the moon exist when no one and no thing is looking at it?

I've heard quantum physicists say that nothing really exists (or is it that nothing has a separate locality? ...I'm terrible with the sciences) outside of conscious observation of it.  Consciousness creates all distinctions.  Unless I'm understanding it wrong, this could well mean that the universe has no beginning and no end, and that space, time, and matter are properties of consciousness, even illusions created by it.


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Re: A question of origin [Re: Lion]
    #8811776 - 08/22/08 05:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Damn, but then that raises the question....What is consciousness and where did we get it from?  Einstein called individual consciousness an "optical illusion"..... :shrug:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: A question of origin [Re: Lion]
    #8813709 - 08/23/08 01:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Even consciousness had to of been created.


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Re: A question of origin [Re: Psy Baba]
    #8814315 - 08/23/08 05:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i like the German word for origin Ursprung.
Ur (primordial, ancestral, out of) + sprung (from of the verb springen, to leap, to bound).

origin comes from Latin's word for to rise.

in Swedish you talk about ursprung and upprinnelse, among other things. upp-rinnelse is an upp-running, upp-flowing.
like out of the river Rhine, which has nourished Europeans for so long, a primordial river of Europe, named from a Celtic word for flowing that echoes and flows on our modern tongues.

not saying we mean these things with the words now;
rather i'm illuminating one aspect of the origin of "origin".
after all, it is a concept, separate from the universe in whole


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Re: A question of origin [Re: Lakefingers]
    #8814331 - 08/23/08 06:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Time didn't exist until there were sentient beings to realize it.  Its a human creation.  In any finite sense, you could say the first sentient human to think about realistic origin, was actually the origin.


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Re: A question of origin [Re: joekenorer]
    #8814333 - 08/23/08 06:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Or perhaps there never was an origin, and time and reality as we know them are infinite in both directions.


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Re: A question of origin [Re: joekenorer]
    #8814334 - 08/23/08 06:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Infinity is not impossible, just  inconcieveable.


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Re: A question of origin [Re: joekenorer]
    #8814342 - 08/23/08 06:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

time, origin and end, cause and effect, a and b,
they make no sense to an intellect grasping the all,
an intellect that knows all and not just stepping stones and metaphors


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Re: A question of origin [Re: Lakefingers]
    #8814349 - 08/23/08 06:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Omniscience isn't intellect, though.  It's omniscience.  And that entity would certainly find this discussion, as well as thought, rather boring.  We'd have to trick it into telling us.  No easy feat.


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Re: A question of origin [Re: joekenorer]
    #8814352 - 08/23/08 06:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That entity would be useless to us.


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Re: A question of origin [Re: joekenorer]
    #8814359 - 08/23/08 06:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it doesn't have to be omniscience,
just an intellect that sees the process instead of things processing


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Re: A question of origin [Re: Lakefingers]
    #8814365 - 08/23/08 06:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, you mean us.

Well, theres no place in the scientific community without numbers and step-by-step evidence, so we'll remain unemployed in that field.  Guess  we'll just hafta' get our rocks of either convincing others we're right, or just masturbating to internet porn like everyone else.


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Re: A question of origin [Re: joekenorer]
    #8814368 - 08/23/08 06:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wish I could see a 1 minute time-lapse of earths history.  Watching continents  collide and mountains shoot into the sky.


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Re: A question of origin [Re: joekenorer]
    #8814376 - 08/23/08 06:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

us? no. what we isolate, like on your film, would be understood through inference

seeing is not experiencing or knowing, although indo-europeans always fall for that metaphor


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Re: A question of origin [Re: Lakefingers]
    #8815103 - 08/23/08 12:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Does it really matter? Will you live your life any differently if you knew the truth?


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Re: A question of origin [Re: Psy Baba]
    #8815796 - 08/23/08 03:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

DuNeRaVeR said:
Even consciousness had to of been created.




Why? We're here, and clearly we're conscious, but could it be any other way? That's like citing life itself as proof of a creator. The fact that it is does not lend much insight into the how or the why.


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Re: A question of origin [Re: Psy Baba]
    #8816419 - 08/23/08 05:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

had to of been




What sort of gibberish is this?


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Re: A question of origin [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8816632 - 08/23/08 06:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Some fancy word salad. I have always preferred Caesar, but to each his own...


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Re: A question of origin [Re: WordlessNature]
    #8816638 - 08/23/08 06:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

we cant and couldnt


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