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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Seuss]
#8821670 - 08/24/08 07:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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So what you're saying is the entire government including scientists or anyone ... EVERYONE of those type of the GOVERNMENT couldn't possibly know this was a cover up. They couldn't anyways. Like every government official would take a veow(tell me if I spelled that wrong) to keep it a secret. Now I see where you're coming from. Don't listen to FBI officials because honestly they're untrustworthy. Listen to scientists or the people that possibly build the towers? It just puts out more that those people could be paid off to not tell. If they did they'd be assasinated. It's been done before.
But I do agree with you o some points but it's and up and down type of thing.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Seuss]
#8821809 - 08/24/08 07:38 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > A conspiracy theory is equal to a government explanation. Neither are solid prove. They are both based on belief.
For people like you and me, our opinions are based upon belief, but for the government reports, their opinions are based upon hundreds of thousands of man hours of research, education, simulation, testing, and experience.
If your child deathly ill, do you trust a professional medical doctor or the crazy guy on the street preaching about the healing power of faith? To ignore the experience and training of the professional engineers (for the most part, they are not government employees) and instead go with the wild conspiracy theories is much like trusting the crazy dude on the street over the advice of a professional medical doctor.
This is ridiculous. The west always thought the far east was crazy for their methods of healing and practicing medicine. But in theses times, yoga is at an all time high, as are herbal remedies. How could any person in their right mind believe some scientists that are backing up the governments story as to why this happened. The government has admitted in the past and recently in the desclassification of mj12 documents that they are willing to use misinformation and other tactics to keep people quiet about things they feel the public should not know about.This is just more propaganda against the middle east to increase the publics disdain for muslims, so that we are more willing to die for causes that are of no significance to us. And the public is just eating it up. Calling truthers "nutjobs" and "crazies" is the same thing. Just to make the idea that your government would ever do anything to hurt their own people laughable. So that the next staged incident goes over a lot better than this last tragedy. If it were such and accident then why isnt the government helping the 1st responders? These people were told the air was safe to breathe, and now years later they are dying far too young, and the government they gave their health for is nowhere to be found.
-------------------- Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time TRANSCEND
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Esophagus]
#8821818 - 08/24/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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So what you're saying is the entire government including scientists or anyone ... EVERYONE of those type of the GOVERNMENT couldn't possibly know this was a cover up
The president couldn't keep a blowjob secret... do you really expect me to believe that the government is able to force hundreds of engineers, with no political motives, that work for various private firms, to lie about the cause of whatever?
Even the people that do keep secrets for the government are regular everyday folk. I know, I used to be one of them, and many of my friends still are. One of my friends was literally in one of the offices in the pentagon that got destroyed. I have another friend that is in the Air Force and works at norad. I have another friend that was a USMC sniper (retired) that used to do not so nice things in central america. I know one of the guys that was on the team that searched for WMDs in Iraq. Although these people have some nasty jobs, they are not the type that would hide the mass murder of thousands of US citizens anymore than I would. And these are people that the government trusts, that have been through ten months (or more) of background checks to get clearance, not contract engineers with some firm. A little critical thinking can go a long way. Drop the hollywood x-files BS and realize that the average government worker is no different than the lady at the DMV.
> It just puts out more that those people could be paid off to not tell. If they did they'd be assasinated.
Again, too much TV. One person with proof is all it would take to protect the group. The government cant kill hundreds of engineers that all worked on the same report. It would be a bit obvious. Would you take a payoff to keep quiet? Why do you think everybody else would? Most engineers that I know are very well off financially. They don't really need extra money... and if they do, the rights to the story are worth enough to keep them happy forever.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Jack Albertson]
#8821850 - 08/24/08 07:48 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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> The west always thought the far east was crazy for their methods of healing and practicing medicine.
I'm not talking about eastern medicine. I'm talking about the crazy guy on the street corner that thinks he is the messiah that can cure by touch. Don't put words into my mouth, please.
By professional medical doctor, I'm not saying western medicine. Again, don't assume.
Would you trust a medical doctor (be it eastern medicine, faith healer, western medicine, whatever) or the crazy nut on the street corner that spends most of the day talking to himself? If you answer the crazy guy, you are lying to yourself.
> These people were told the air was safe to breathe, and now years later they are dying far too young, and the government they gave their health for is nowhere to be found.
Was this conspiracy or just ineptness of those in charge at the EPA? I honestly don't know... probably a bit of both. However, a few politicians, protecting their job and downplaying danger to the public is much different than hundreds of professional engineers that have nothing to lose keeping a secret for no reason.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Seuss]
#8821935 - 08/24/08 08:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok. i dont need to prove anything, it's already happening, and will happen again. time will prove my point for me. Your use of the word crazy isnt helping your cause. Youre just doing what the government does best. Misinform.
-------------------- Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time TRANSCEND
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Seuss]
#8821969 - 08/24/08 08:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seuss. You're right. Although I do believe they have government cover ups. 9/11 didn't seem like one now that you told me what seems more like on the lines of 'reality'.
-------------------- "First of all, I don't see America having problems." --George W. Bush, interview with Bob Costas at the 2008 Olympics, Beijing, China, Aug. 10, 2008
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Esophagus]
#8821977 - 08/24/08 08:17 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bottom line. You'll never know the full 'TRUTH' realistically about what happens what. IMO. I still have yet to read the articles and most likely am not going to. If everyone knew the truth our society, EVERYONE would go crazy and it would be a civil war...people vs people vs government. It would be complete chaos. Back on topic your hypothesis seems correct Seuss.
-------------------- "First of all, I don't see America having problems." --George W. Bush, interview with Bob Costas at the 2008 Olympics, Beijing, China, Aug. 10, 2008
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: dtugg]
#8822890 - 08/25/08 12:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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dtugg said:
If I was an insider to the 9/11 conspiracy, I would go to the Bob Woodward and spill the beans. If they killed me or whatever, it would be already too late and further evidence of the conspiracy.
One thing that 9/11 deniers cannot answers is this: If the government is so evil and cunning to kill so many people without getting caught to get the country in war with Iraq on the false pretense of WMDs why the fuck didn't they plant them there to completely justify their actions? It would have been much simpler than 9/11.
Ok so since you claim that you would spill the beans I'm supposed to somehow be convinced that there's nobody who has ever kept their mouth shut about government coverups??? And to answer your question, IF this "conspiracy" were true, then 9/11 occured to make people like yourself and millions of other Americans get all riled up and say "YEAH FUCK THOSE SAND NIGGERS" so that when they did go over there (to secure their oil supply)- OH WAIT I MEAN, to stop terrorism or WMDs or whatever, most everybody would keep their mouth shut. That is one out of many possible motives I could Imagine. You've made a few statements that I would call "Patriotic" that resembles all these pro-War douches I hear and I can sense the anger that it is said with. This feeling is exactly what they would have wanted you and everybody else to feel like (if this were even true which I really am not trying to convince anybody of).
SUPPORT OUT TROOPS!!!! PROTECT OUR FREEDOM!!!!
BULLSHIT!!!!
Now I gave you one motive on the United States side. How about you give me a motive for those Islamic terrorists besides, "they are very religious folk who felt they were doing God a favor" or some bullshit. And all conspiracies aside, let's pretend like it is exactly as they say it is and it was just a bunch of pissed off Islams. Well we sure as hell are REALLY giving them something to be pissed about now. I know that this sounds all hippiedippie and it wouldn't for a second be taken seriously in any government officials eyes but, I mean if we just stuck to ourselves and left everybody alone (that means korea, the middle east, russia (that goes for you too russia) everyone would be happy. Cause they want peace, we want peace, everybody wants the same thing. And don't think that I for a second am ignorant of all the fucked up people in this world like I'm trying to say that if we ended all wars then EVERYTHING would be peaceful, because I don't believe that for a second. There will always be rape,murder,robberies, violence etc. but I just can't help but view major global conflict as anything but unneccesary.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: LightShedder]
#8823456 - 08/25/08 05:32 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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The government, military and intelligence community consists of so many different little groups that its impossible to know who's doing what. One thing is for sure - there is no master group which is controlling the world. Just thousands of small groups all with their own agendas some good, some bad depending on your perspective.
One of these groups could of helped the hijackers or pushed them in some covert way. History tells us its happened before. That doesn't mean they did though.
One truth this whole situation has revealed is just how much of the American public and the world distrust the American government.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Ego Death]
#8823504 - 08/25/08 06:21 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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> The government, military and intelligence community consists of so many different little groups that its impossible to know who's doing what.
Not really. Everything is kept "compartmentalized" for security purposes, thus there are lots of little groups that don't know what each other are doing, but at higher levels (president, joint chiefs, secretary of state, deputy directors, etc) this is no longer the case.
> One thing is for sure - there is no master group which is controlling the world.
Again, I disagree, a bit. There are organizations, such as the CFR, which tend to have a lot of influence in world politics. I don't think they are controlling the world, in the conspiratorial "they" sense, but these various groups are responsible for a lot of the crap that goes on in the world.
> One truth this whole situation has revealed is just how much of the American public and the world distrust the American government.
You nailed this one, and I agree completely!
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Seuss]
#8824064 - 08/25/08 10:25 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok so since you claim that you would spill the beans I'm supposed to somehow be convinced that there's nobody who has ever kept their mouth shut about government coverups??
Sure a couple people could keep their mouths shut, namely the people that may have profited the most from it. But everybody that would have to be involved, no fucking way. Look at government coverups like Watergate, Clinton's blowjob, Iran-Contra, Abu Ghraib . They were all nowhere near the scale of 9/11 and all had people coming forward. 9/11 whistleblowers: zero.
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Now I gave you one motive on the United States side. How about you give me a motive for those Islamic terrorists besides, "they are very religious folk who felt they were doing God a favor" or some bullshit.
Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda made their motives very clear, even way before 9/11. They hate the presence of our military on their holy land, our support of Israel, and our influence on Middle East as a whole. They are willing to do anything possible to get revenge against the Great Satan for these atrocities. They really do believe that they are doing Allah's work by killing innocent people. They said this way back when Clinton was getting his dick sucked by an intern and it is a great tragedy that we didn't take them seriously enough back then.
Please answer this question: If BushCheneyHalibruton are so evil and cunning to pull off the false flag terrorist operation that is the most important event of our lifetimes to get the country riled up to go war with Iraq, why the hell didn't they plant WMDs there to make their actions seemingly 100% justified? It wouldn't be that hard to pull, at least compared to 9/11. All they would have to do is bury them in the middle of the desert, "find" them later and say Saddam put them there before the invasion.
And please don't make the mistake that I support Bush just because I can see that 9/11 fantasies are a joke. I hate the guy and I think that he has been a horrible president. Unlike many people, however, I don't let my emotions get in the way of rational thought.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: dtugg]
#8824186 - 08/25/08 10:52 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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No one man is running this whole country that's for sure.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: dtugg]
#8875002 - 09/04/08 01:09 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Secret societies run banks, governments, & major corporations which sponsor media; controlling perception and feeding messages using neurolingustic programing and repeating the same messages until they become truth in the minds of the masses. Using over stimulation and mass marketing schemes to distract the public constantly is creating doublethinkers. Before i did any research i had the gut feeling i was being fed bullshit. I was in my senior year in HS on 9-11 and was cynical of the motives of the terrorists.
In your minds eye what do you see when you hear the word Terrorist?
The answer to that has nothing to do with the definition now does it?
That's a programmed response to stimulation, it's called a bind in NLP!
"His mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink. To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully-constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which canceled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them; to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy; to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved using doublethink."
Orwell, George (1949). Nineteen Eighty-Four.
I'm not going to provide any evidence to my claims, I'm only here to plant the seed of thought!
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