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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: cb_brooklyn]
#8818873 - 08/24/08 04:18 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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> Magnetometer data from alaska.edu shows the earth's magnetic field shifted with every 9/11 "event".
Don't forget about the crop circles. The use the crop circles to direct the energy from the HARM device located on the dark side of the moon. By triangulating the crop circles, you can see what their target was, though you have to be quick. The tend to burn the crop circles with radiation to hide the evidence, and make it look like an alien craft landed instead.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Minstrel]
#8819034 - 08/24/08 06:38 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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LOL,
Thats embarrassing. One of the most important buildings in America and it can't even withstand a bit of fire without collapsing. 
Still sounds dodgy to me though.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Ego Death]
#8819101 - 08/24/08 07:21 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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How exactly was WTC7 one of the most important buildings in America? I sure as hell had never heard of it before 9/11.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: dtugg]
#8819568 - 08/24/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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same with the pentagon. It's one of the most highly guarded buildings in the world. It has more surveillance cameras then any other building in America that I know of. Yet nothing came out to back up the claims of what exactly hit it. The FBI and Representatives were the first on the scene to cover up any small debree. If a 747 really hit that fucking building than how in the hell did they pick up all the debree in less then a couple of hours...then covered up all the forensic evidence with rock and gravel? Then has nothing to show for it afterwords. No tapes because they're top secret? O and the hole was the size of a small missile.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Esophagus]
#8819843 - 08/24/08 12:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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this thread is sickening.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Minstrel]
#8820024 - 08/24/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Esophagus said: same with the pentagon. It's one of the most highly guarded buildings in the world. It has more surveillance cameras then any other building in America that I know of. Yet nothing came out to back up the claims of what exactly hit it. The FBI and Representatives were the first on the scene to cover up any small debree. If a 747 really hit that fucking building than how in the hell did they pick up all the debree in less then a couple of hours...then covered up all the forensic evidence with rock and gravel? Then has nothing to show for it afterwords. No tapes because they're top secret? O and the hole was the size of a small missile.
Seven years later and people are still spewing this same crap that has been debunking over and over again. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
1) You have no idea whether there were cameras at the Pentagon capable of capturing a clear image of the plane going into it. Just because you think there should have been, doesn't mean there were. This is called and argument from incredulity and is a logical fallacy. Unless you can show that there were cameras pointing at the right angle, with sufficient resolution, and actually recording (and at a good enough frame rate), your argument means nothing.
2) American Flight 77 was definitely hijacked. People called their loved ones and told them this. One was Barbara Olsen, the wife of the Solicitor General. Are you one of those people that thinks the calls were faked? What happened to the plane if it didn't go into the Pentagon?
3) A lot of people saw the plane flying into the Pentagon. One I recall off the top off my head was a pilot who reported to CNN that same day that he definitely saw an American Airlines 757 fly into the building. Remember, it flew over a busy highway and would be hard to miss. Nobody saw a missile. And don't dare bring up the "it was like a cruise missile with wings" quote. It was taken entirely out of context, the same guy said right before that it was an American Airlines jet but of course conspiracy theorists don't include that part. I can find video to prove it if you don't believe me.
4) Remains from the scene were positively ID'd to all but one person that was on AA77.
5) I've never seen evidence that the debris was all picked up in a couple of hours, although if it was it doens't really matter. They also didn't cover up any debris with gravel. They did put gravel there after debris in its path was picked up to build a road for brand new dumptrucks to put the debris in because the grass in the area was too soft. Also, of course the FBI was involved in collecting the debris. It was, after all a federal crime scene.
There is plenty more debunking all this crap but I don't really feel like typing anymore. Please refer to these websites for further debunking:
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Pentagon http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6 http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon.html http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary
If you can read the evidence there and still believe a missile or whatever hit the Pentagon, you sir are an idiot.
Edited by dtugg (08/24/08 01:43 PM)
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Jack Albertson]
#8820038 - 08/24/08 12:57 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jack Albertson said: this thread is sickening.
I agree. It is very sickening that some people would rather blame to some imaginary government conspiracy from who was really responsible.
Edited by dtugg (08/24/08 01:01 PM)
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: dtugg]
#8820127 - 08/24/08 01:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Honestly, Thank You. I am an idiot and I am going off by what the zeitgeist movie is saying and other 'youtube' videos.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: dtugg]
#8820288 - 08/24/08 01:49 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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dtugg said:
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Jack Albertson said: this thread is sickening.
I agree. It is very sickening that some people would rather blame to some imaginary government conspiracy from who was really responsible.
Please. Spare me your nonsense.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Esophagus]
#8820330 - 08/24/08 02:01 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Esophagus said: Honestly, Thank You. I am an idiot and I am going off by what the zeitgeist movie is saying and other 'youtube' videos.
No problem at all. That is why I bothered to post my reply. Since you were able to see the error of your ways given evidence, you are not an idiot. It just means you were a little bit gullible. I must admit, I was the same way when I first saw these videos until I did real research. That is probably why I am so passionate about my hatred of 9/11 liars (Dylan Avery, et. al.).
I hope you learned your lesson; that you cannot trust everything you see/read on the internet.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Jack Albertson]
#8820357 - 08/24/08 02:10 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dtugg you have a very strong way of starting out ur posts to automatically start making ur opposer look bad such as.... (dtuggs first sentences in this thread)
1.Seven years later and people are still spewing this same crap that has been debunking over and over again. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
2.I have read his stupid paper.
3.Honestly, I really don't care enough to go read through that crap again to find any specific examples and I am sure that you wouldn't change your mind even if I did.
4.Actually, I think that another deranged truther, Judy Wood*, might be onto something.
5.It is very clear that you haven't even bothered to try to understand what they are saying.
6.Of course I know that Wood is full of shit, I made that very clear in my post so it's not like I tried to mislead people. That was my point.
7.Nice dodge.
8.I really hope you're not trying to compare Jones to Newton. The idea is laughable.
9.I hope you are fucking kidding me. That has got to be the worst "documentary" that I have ever seen.
10.Dude, I hope you're not serious.
11.Are you also a believer of the no plane/tv fakery BS?
And all your mainly doing is saying..."dude all of the people you are talking about were paid off ANYBODY WITH HALF A FUCKING BRAIN KNOWS THAT!!!" Which is not very convincing. I mean couldn't your references have just as easily been paid off. Or especially the U.S. Government (which is who you are defending) could easily pull this thing off and then pay/kill or whatever anybody to manipulate what people like us hear so I mean I'm not totally outright disagreeing with you I'm just saying that you haven't given anybody solid proof. Unfortunately when it comes to topics like these, it's hard to take anything as solid evidence.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Jack Albertson]
#8820387 - 08/24/08 02:19 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jack Albertson said:
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dtugg said:
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Jack Albertson said: this thread is sickening.
I agree. It is very sickening that some people would rather blame to some imaginary government conspiracy from who was really responsible.
Please. Spare me your nonsense.
I speak no nonsense at all. There is no evidence for a government conspiracy (if there is please present it because I haven't heard it). There is mountains of evidence it was Islamic terrorists (including the mastermind confessing to Al Jazeera before he was captured). Therefore, conspiracy theorists wish to shift blame to a US government conspiracy for which there is no evidence, from an Islamic Jihad conspiracy for which there is a lot of evidence. This makes them (the 9/11 deniers) pieces of shit, if you ask me.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: dtugg]
#8820393 - 08/24/08 02:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow chill out dude
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: LightShedder]
#8820449 - 08/24/08 02:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I speak no nonsense at all. There is no evidence for a government conspiracy (if there is please present it because I haven't heard it). There is mountains of evidence it was Islamic terrorists (including the mastermind confessing to Al Jazeera before he was captured). Therefore, conspiracy theorists wish to shift blame to a US government conspiracy for which there is no evidence, from an Islamic Jihad conspiracy for which there is a lot of evidence. This makes them (the 9/11 deniers) pieces of shit, if you ask me.
Wait what? Evidence? Of course they're is not going to be evidence. hat's why it's a conspiracy.
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There is mountains of evidence it was Islamic terrorists (including the mastermind confessing to Al Jazeera before he was captured).
Go figure.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Minstrel]
#8820488 - 08/24/08 02:43 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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LightShedder said:
And all your mainly doing is saying..."dude all of the people you are talking about were paid off ANYBODY WITH HALF A FUCKING BRAIN KNOWS THAT!!!" Which is not very convincing. I mean couldn't your references have just as easily been paid off. Or especially the U.S. Government (which is who you are defending) could easily pull this thing off and then pay/kill or whatever anybody to manipulate what people like us hear so I mean I'm not totally outright disagreeing with you I'm just saying that you haven't given anybody solid proof. Unfortunately when it comes to topics like these, it's hard to take anything as solid evidence.
Yeah, I make no secret of my disdain for 9/11 deniers. I think that without exception they are ignorant/stupid/crazy/liars (at least one of these but probably a combination). That is also not everything that I am saying however.
And I do think that the notion that the US government could kill 3,000 people in such a huge conspiracy without anybody coming forward is stupid, there would be thousands that know and that many people cannot be trusted to keep such a huge secret. A President cannot even get blowjob in the Oval Office, or burglarize an office, or conduct a little torture without the whole world finding out.
Shit, there are plenty of other less complicated ways (less possible leaks) that they could have accomplished the same thing. I can think of many off the top of my head if you want.
If I was an insider to the 9/11 conspiracy, I would go to the Bob Woodward and spill the beans. If they killed me or whatever, it would be already too late and further evidence of the conspiracy.
One thing that 9/11 deniers cannot answers is this: If the government is so evil and cunning to kill so many people without getting caught to get the country in war with Iraq on the false pretense of WMDs why the fuck didn't they plant them there to completely justify their actions? It would have been much simpler than 9/11.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: dtugg]
#8820540 - 08/24/08 02:56 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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IMO...You'll never know the truth.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: dtugg]
#8820847 - 08/24/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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> Yeah, I make no secret of my disdain for 9/11 deniers.
It isn't worth getting worked up over. No matter how much sense you make, no matter how much time you take, no matter how hard you try, you will not change anybodies mind any more than they are going to change your mind. In the immortal words of Joshua, "Strange game. The only winning move is not to play."
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Seuss]
#8821070 - 08/24/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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You have somewhat of a point, Seuss. However, I have converted a few truthers before so it is worth the effort to me to try here.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: dtugg]
#8821493 - 08/24/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Theres no answer. Everyone has a valid point but theres still no truth. Thats why conspiracy theories exist be them true or false.
A conspiracy theory is equal to a government explanation. Neither are solid prove. They are both based on belief.
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Re: So, after 7 years, we finally know what happened in WTC7 [Re: Ego Death]
#8821645 - 08/24/08 07:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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> A conspiracy theory is equal to a government explanation. Neither are solid prove. They are both based on belief.
For people like you and me, our opinions are based upon belief, but for the government reports, their opinions are based upon hundreds of thousands of man hours of research, education, simulation, testing, and experience.
If your child deathly ill, do you trust a professional medical doctor or the crazy guy on the street preaching about the healing power of faith? To ignore the experience and training of the professional engineers (for the most part, they are not government employees) and instead go with the wild conspiracy theories is much like trusting the crazy dude on the street over the advice of a professional medical doctor.
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