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    #8808686 - 08/22/08 12:56 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

what if you had a vary large jar? Lets say, 5-10 Gal. How many 10 ml syringes would you need for colonization? Would it work? How come all the BRF TEKs are shown in 1/2 pt. jars, and if you want to go bigger people suggest G2G? Couldnt one just do the math and make a big ol batch, and inoc. a 5 gal plastic tub, wait for it to colonize and fruit it in a plexi glass set up, big enough to fruit a cake that size? I am just asking. I dont want to sound dumb but everything I read says nothing of this, has it been tried?


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Re: what if..... [Re: EL NATURAL]
    #8808691 - 08/22/08 12:58 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

It would take WAY too long. :thumbup:


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Re: what if..... [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #8808696 - 08/22/08 12:59 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

way too much time for contams to creep in


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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.

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ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
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Re: what if..... [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #8808697 - 08/22/08 12:59 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

yes, but 10-12 jars or 1 big one what would be more worth it?


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Re: what if..... [Re: EL NATURAL]
    #8808709 - 08/22/08 01:02 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

What if you added more innoculant? would the ml. make a difference? Wouldn't that keep the speed the same?


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Re: what if..... [Re: EL NATURAL]
    #8808713 - 08/22/08 01:03 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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yes, but 10-12 jars or 1 big one what would be more worth it?




The main thing is, the moist substrate, will be overtaken by gravity eventually, and pack itself down, which wont allow much growth, which will lead to contam because slow colonization is the pits and other stuff can take over your 50 gallon pftek jar. Plus, how big of a pressure cooker do you have?

you would need something industrial size, because fractional sterilization, or even pasteurizing, wouldn't allow this to work.

the answer to this is in the pftek basically.

You couldn't even really pull this off with grains.

If you want bulk spawn, then look into pressure cooking 4lb rye grain bags, and preforming grain to grain transfers.

hahah 5 gallon pftek jar LOLLERS!


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Re: what if..... [Re: jeetered]
    #8808742 - 08/22/08 01:11 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

LOL! It was a good idea, you have to admit! Besides, I used to work in a paint manufacturing plant and made 500 gal. batches, and they were well beyond the point of pasturization! I guess my real question is why is alcohol not enough for sterilization?


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Re: what if..... [Re: EL NATURAL]
    #8808759 - 08/22/08 01:15 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Haven't you ever seen those coin saving jars that are humongo? That is what i was talking about.


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Re: what if..... [Re: EL NATURAL]
    #8808766 - 08/22/08 01:16 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Let me try to put you together.

Healthy mycelium colonizes a larger amount of growth medium faster because the mycelium is already growing. When people spawn their mycelium to a larger amount of growth medium, it's called a substrate. Instead of putting it in a jar, they spawn it to a tray. Thereby achieving the larger surface area and proper substrate depth to obtain larger flushes of mushrooms.

Trying to do it the way that you propose, will take longer, and, (if your spawn doesn't get contaminated), what will you have? A very large cake?

Another grower who followed tried and true methods, will be drinking some orange juice, chewing on something that tastes like a dried twig, and using the latest pics of your giant jar as something else that he can laugh his ass off about tonight...

It's just not an efficient way to grow bra.

Most ideas that pop into our heads have already been tried, and abandoned for some reason. I'm not saying NOT to experiment. By all means, if someone finds a simpler way to be successful, everyone here will give you their undivided attention, (not to mention praise).

It's just that you asked the question. It seems as though you didn't like the answers. Sorry bra. Facts is facts... :goodluck:


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Re: what if..... [Re: EL NATURAL]
    #8808770 - 08/22/08 01:18 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Those are called car buoys. I would use those for making wine. There is absolutely no way in hell that you are going to get fully colonized mycelium out of one of those...:imo:


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    #8808771 - 08/22/08 01:20 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

What if perlite was mixed with verm and brf to expand and hydrate the substrate. Would gravity be an issue then?


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    #8808797 - 08/22/08 01:27 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

unfortunately yes, the weight of water is just that, water,

and brandnewbie, el natural in no way came off to me like he didn't like the answers he got, he actually just said oh well! and asked why alcohol being used isn't enough,

alcohol doesn't sterilize a bulk susbtrate, it would be detrimental to mycelial growth, and just flat out wont work as an aseptic technique.

I like how you're thinking out of the box el nat, and it would be great if
sterilization techniques could be that simple, but they're not.

brandnewbie is right, tried and true methods are just that for a reason, besides, this has been mentioned before actually .


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    #8808838 - 08/22/08 01:36 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

sorry if I angered anyone, I would really appreciate it if someone could give me a good recipe for g2g substrate. I got syringes full and I got jars. What is the best grain and how do I mix substrate for fruiting?


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Re: what if..... [Re: EL NATURAL]
    #8808843 - 08/22/08 01:39 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

look up wbs tek in the search it will tell u what u want to know:)


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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.

Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!

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ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
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Re: what if..... [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #8808849 - 08/22/08 01:40 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Thanx!


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Re: what if..... [Re: EL NATURAL]
    #8809074 - 08/22/08 02:29 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I have found organic rye berries 50 times easer to work with then Wild Bird Seed, it also makes very a  very clean, easy grain to grain transfer. Be it from jar to jar, or jar to bag, rye berries for the winz.


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    #8809153 - 08/22/08 02:51 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

No, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to sound callous. I'm not angry in the least! My most sincere apologies.

The easiest grain to acquire is WBS, (wild bird seed). I use it, and I have such good results that I wonder if I'll ever try rye berries.

There are a plethora of substrate recipes.

On the top left of the page you are reading you will see "mushroom info" below The Shroomery logo. Hover your cursor over "mushroom info" and then hover it again over "grow mushrooms" in the drop down menu. Then left click "Grain Spawn & Substrate" on the next drop down menu. This will get you started. By reading these passages and taking notes, you will quickly learn what questions you want to ask.

The biggest hurdle that you will need to make is sterility. On the one hand, it's the hardest thing to master. But, oddly enough, once you get the hang of your chosen technique, it's fairly simple. It's hard to explain, but you'll find out what I'm trying to say in short order.

Again, I apologize for sounding curt, it was unintentional. Welcome to The Shroomery! :goodluck:


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    #8809157 - 08/22/08 02:53 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I have found organic rye berries 50 times easer to work with then Wild Bird Seed,




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Re: what if..... [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #8809869 - 08/22/08 09:46 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I believe one of the biggest reasons it is unadvisable to use 1 large jar as compared to 10 smaller ones is the contamination factor.

If you get a contam in your large jar, the whole operation is dead.

However, with 10 separate jars, if 1 or 2 get contams, you just chunk them and have 8 more jars to continue with.

It's just not practical to use 1 large jar. Remember the old adage -- Don't put all of your eggs in one basket.


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    #8810149 - 08/22/08 11:40 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Large jars of grain tend to go anaerobic in the core, thus they can't colonize and become infected with bacteria.  I don't recommend over 1 quart/liter sized jars.
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