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OfflineAround In Circles
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The Paradox of Philosophy
    #8804422 - 08/21/08 10:06 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

After three years of psychedelic plant usage and private studying I have reached the intellectual dead-end of "enlightenment"

In pondering its implications I have come to fully appreciate the following "truths":

The world as it is, right now, is so intrinsically perfect and beautiful in every way that it is impossible to fathom.  (Eastern Religions- Alan Watts)

There is no need for amelioration of any kind because...

Free will is a paradox, Good and Evil are a moot point in the face of the eternal recurrence of all forms.

(Nietszche)

We live the same life, over and over again.

We die to remember what we live to forget; life is a dream that death wakes us from.

(The cyclical/oscillatory nature of the universe)

There is no "point" to existence per se, due to the duality of forms, true is false, 0=1.

The psychedelic experience cries out to help the earth, but also at the same time imparts intuition of the necessity of mans ignorance in regards to mass evolutionary consciousness.  The dualistic nature of reality is simply a metaphor for this ultimate paradox of being.

The stalemate of philosphical debate and the psychedelic experience leads me to believe that the realization of the eternal recurrence is the final end point of self-realization.

All we can do as conscious entities is to live in accordance to our will, which is Love; the desire of boundary dissolution. We spend our entire lives building boundaries, just so we may overcome them, and through overcoming these boundaries we may reach Gnosis.

Enlightenment is the realization of our nature as God.

There is nowhere to go from there, other than to integrate its teaching into your life.

I was chasing my own tail the entire time.

It was a great trip though.


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: Around In Circles]
    #8804428 - 08/21/08 10:10 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Well, we all get to draw any conclusions we want from our experiences. :shrug:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: Icelander]
    #8804451 - 08/21/08 10:16 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Well, we all get to draw any conclusions we want from our experiences. :shrug:




Yes, we do indeed, however, I believe I have exhausted my search and have found the eternal recurrence to be the end-all-be-all.

Just my 2 cents.


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: Around In Circles]
    #8804467 - 08/21/08 10:19 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Well that's nice but 2 cents isn't a lot of money.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: Around In Circles]
    #8805353 - 08/21/08 01:48 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

BrainFood said: I was chasing my own tail the entire time.




Delving into the depths of your mind will do that to ya.


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: Around In Circles]
    #8805633 - 08/21/08 02:57 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

While you are basking in your afterglow, try putting the feeling of love into all that you do and to everyone (including yourself) around you. This will bring you more into the realm of experiencing enlightenment rather than intellectualizing it which has its moments of awe, but pales in comparison to practicing the art of staying in love with life.

Your post makes me want to eat a dose of shrooms again (its been a long awhile :P).


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my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: Around In Circles]
    #8805707 - 08/21/08 03:11 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

you exhausted the ideas with plant combinations you had.

but you'll get older, learn more, real-ize things, forget things, rediscover things.

there's no dead-end of intellectualizing, unless one thinks intellectualizing is the only path to some variant of enlightenment.


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: Around In Circles]
    #8805975 - 08/21/08 04:01 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

There is no need for ameliaoration of any kind because...







:confused:


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: Around In Circles]
    #8806528 - 08/21/08 06:19 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I feel I've had similar insights as the original poster.  What psyka said is very important though.

A great quote I heard recently was,
Quote:

"The pinnacle of all wisdom is love, love, love.


~Sri Ramana Maharshi

I forget this a lot in favor of thinking I have some deep important metaphysical insights to convey.  I don't....I am totally groundless and ignorant.

Like the OP said, application is more important than understanding.  So, though you think you've been chasing your tail,

Quote:

The road goes ever on and on, down from the door where it began......




:heart:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8806547 - 08/21/08 06:24 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:

There is no need for ameliaoration of any kind because...







:confused:




amelioration.

HA!

:grin:


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: Around In Circles]
    #8806725 - 08/21/08 07:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

BrainFood said:


Enlightenment is the realization of our nature as God.

There is nowhere to go from there, other than to integrate its teaching into your life.






But have you learnt to walk on water?

Understanding what the experience is about is definately a part of the process, but if you are One/God, have you achieved mastery over the ether yet?

Are you like Sai Baba?


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: whatiamidoing]
    #8806769 - 08/21/08 07:14 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

like a spider's intricate web,

moments pass,

chatter tickles glossy strings,

dart out upon the moonlit rings,

moments pass,

10,000 things.


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What I do not know now, I will know when the time is right...

This very moment is a shining expansion of the breathing universe,

This exploding sensation of complete tranquility,

The one, the all, the sweet bliss of tasting God.

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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
    #8806817 - 08/21/08 07:20 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

To me, enlightenment is far more complex than the simple, regurgitated concepts formulated by past spiritual masters. There is truth to be found in these ideas, but they are the ideas of others; what is more important is the underlying pattern. And comprehension of these ideas by themselves couldn't be further from enlightenment itself. It's more of a substitute if you're a quitter, or an example if you're not.

To me, the ultimate end of the spiritual struggle is mastery of metaphor; an understanding of the entirety of reality that vibes with your very own pattern-recognition as it has been cultivated within your life. When you gain the ability to perceive ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING as a single, delightful metaphor, without doubt, all uncertainty is lost.

Recognition of the concepts of ancient spiritual traditions, esoteric understanding, Watts and Nietzsche, is like training wheels for this endeavor. Adherence to a single religion often serves as a crutch.


Edited by Tchan909 (08/21/08 07:49 PM)


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8806940 - 08/21/08 07:41 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

So everything is a metaphor?  A metaphor for what?


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: Lion]
    #8806961 - 08/21/08 07:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

That's up to you.


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8807008 - 08/21/08 07:53 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

A metaphor... or a simile? (I'd vouch for synecdoche myself.) :crazy2:


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: deCypher]
    #8807023 - 08/21/08 07:57 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Whoa... thanks man, I actually had to look a word up! :rofl:

You seem to get the idea though. It seems like most (good) esoteric writings and philosophy are simply emanations or elaborations of a single perfectly-functioning and absolutely simple metaphor, simile, or synecdoche. More frequently than not, the emanations, being sensible, bury the original source in the mind of the reader. The damnedest part is that we are each the product of unique circumstances, so we have to discover our own, no matter how well we understand the visible emanations.


Edited by Tchan909 (08/21/08 07:59 PM)


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8807040 - 08/21/08 08:00 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Trouble is, by the time you've refined your metaphor so that it perfectly matches reality, it's going to be sufficiently complex that it's no longer a simple idea.  Something along the lines of the quote, "if our brains were simple enough for us to understand, then we would be too simple to understand them."


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: deCypher]
    #8807061 - 08/21/08 08:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Not necessarily. As I see it, the functioning metaphor behind an individual's enlightenment is so simple that words are too complex to sum it up... like attacking a gnat with an axe.


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Edited by Tchan909 (08/21/08 08:16 PM)


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Re: The Paradox of Philosophy [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8807109 - 08/21/08 08:11 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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