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i didnt mean holding you back that way. i meant ultimately holds you back. no matter what it may enable you to strive for, it holds you back ultimately. because no matter what you achieve your ago will make you unhappy or unable to realize the truth and good of what really matters.
But from reading the other posts in this thread i think my definition of ego death is different from all the others.
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Re: What is Ego Death? [Re: Locus]
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how do you people think that the id and superego should factor into this conversation?
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Re: What is Ego Death? [Re: vinceTM]
#8825803 - 08/25/08 04:22 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ego death is an abstract idea of an abstract idea, so concretes do not apply here.
I wish these threads would stop coming up.
Edited by awesomebastard (08/25/08 06:08 PM)
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Re: What is Ego Death? [Re: vinceTM]
#8825958 - 08/25/08 04:55 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ego death is like going to another dimension. You are in a place that is not recognizable as reality as you know it. You are not "alive" as you are familiar with the term. Everything is changed, your body is gone, the outer world is gone, and yet you remain perfectly aware.
It's the level of tripping where there's no difference between having your eyes open or closed. You are simply gone.
I mistook one of my earliest shroom trips for an ego-death, but it definitely was not. My first real experience with ego-death came years later when I smoked DMT, and I was utterly shocked.
I agree ego-death is kind of a silly term but I have a hard time thinking of a better way to describe a trip where your perception of yourself as a discrete entity is shattered so powerfully that your personality and thoughts become your physical environment, that you are literally, physically shooting through the corridors of your consciousness.
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Re: What is Ego Death? [Re: Diddyds]
#8826025 - 08/25/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Only time i've had ego death was when I lost all my pridefull thoughts and intentions. Life changing experience off of 1.8 grams. My friend almost shat his pants and same thing happened to him.
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Re: What is Ego Death? [Re: vinceTM]
#8826055 - 08/25/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think a lot of people think they've experienced ego death because a lot of people define ego as sort of a self-centered, self-important aspect of one's personality. The word ego primarily means the self, a conscious experience of the self.
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ego –noun, plural e·gos. 1. the “I” or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought. a. the enduring and conscious element that knows experience.
One of the secondary definitions (the fourth one in the dictionary I'm using) is this. But I really don't think the term ego death refers to this.
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4. egotism; conceit; self-importance; self-esteem or self-image; feelings
The ego deaths I've had are experiences where I lose all concept of self. Theres no more me, I totally forget that I'm a human being or even a separate and distinct entity. Consciousness remains, I'm still aware of the world around me (usually a completely hallucinatory world), the senses remain intact but the self is gone. Its incredibly blissful. DUH!
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Only time i've had ego death was when I lost all my pridefull thoughts and intentions. Life changing experience off of 1.8 grams.
That's a common misconception. It takes wayy more than 1.8 grams to trip hard enough to experience ego death.
But to each his own I guess, there are many different ways to interpret the term "ego death" but I think the purpose of words and terms are to communicate ideas. And in order for that to work then we all need to share common definitions. If everyone had their own definitions for words then no one would know what anyone was talking about. My definition could be wrong, I'm just puttin on the table to see if anyone agrees.
Edited by BoneMan (08/25/08 05:28 PM)
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Re: What is Ego Death? [Re: BoneMan]
#8826076 - 08/25/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah... it gets easy to think outside of your head even on lighter doses of psychedelics, but ego-death refers to more intense higher-dose experiences where you lose the ability to comprehend "I," "myself," "me," etc. in any sense what so ever.
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Re: What is Ego Death? [Re: BoneMan]
#8826180 - 08/25/08 05:43 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Only time i've had ego death was when I lost all my pridefull thoughts and intentions. Life changing experience off of 1.8 grams.
That's a common misconception. It takes wayy more than 1.8 grams to trip hard enough to experience ego death.
Let me re-phrase that then, I lost my sense of pride, and pride is my biggest demon. I don't want to lose my sense of being, that sounds like some hippy shit.... ego death why would someone want that?
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awesomebastard said: Ego death is an abstract idea of an abstract idea, so concretes do not apply here.
I wish these threads would stop coming up.
It is interesting hearing different people's takes on it and attempts to describe it, though.
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Re: What is Ego Death? [Re: ray40cal]
#8826192 - 08/25/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ego-death is only for those folks who would like to have their personality changed into a visible transforming geometric wonderland, and then either explore it or get shot through it like out of a cannon.
It's a pretty wild experience, not one I would repeat lightly, which is why I've barely been tripping lately.
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Re: What is Ego Death? [Re: Robo]
#8826380 - 08/25/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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true I just think it's retarded when people reply to others and say something like "no your wrong" or "thats a common misconception".
Other than that these threads are interesting.
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A "bad trip" is when you feel like you are going to lose your ego and you fight it. or not.-)
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Re: What is Ego Death? [Re: ray40cal]
#8826702 - 08/25/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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ray40cal said: Let me re-phrase that then, I lost my sense of pride, and pride is my biggest demon. I don't want to lose my sense of being, that sounds like some hippy shit.... ego death why would someone want that?
I've had that happen to me too, its an awesome feeling and I thought that was ego death until I had what I now consider to be an ego death. I don't know what you mean by it being some hippy shit but its actually a real cool experience. Obviously its temporary. I can't say how long it lasted because time lost meaning, but I would guess it was just a few minutes. It wasn't something I was trying to achieve though, it kinda just happened. Its just a really new feeling to be completely conscious and aware but have no thoughts and no idea of self, just kind of like observing. Afterwards it makes you think. It gives a whole new perspective on existence and being. Maybe consciousness doesn't require a living body to inhabit.
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Re: What is Ego Death? [Re: ray40cal]
#8826714 - 08/25/08 07:10 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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ray40cal said: Let me re-phrase that then, I lost my sense of pride, and pride is my biggest demon. I don't want to lose my sense of being, that sounds like some hippy shit.... ego death why would someone want that?
Because it's an amazingly beautiful and humbling experience, when "you" cease to be and all things flow in the cosmic river. Perhaps it is your sense of pride that so strongly resists the dissolution of self?
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ego death is truly being born. the illusion dies and the reality is there.
its great!
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Re: What is Ego Death? [Re: sleepy]
#8828021 - 08/25/08 10:44 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is truly undefinable, for as you try to comprehend what is happening the sense of "I" returns. The mind begins to tell itself "I" believe that this experience means this. and the second this happens the Ego has taken hold again. And if it is able to take hold again it has never truly been dissolved.
My problem with the idea of ego death is that i equate it to stretching the rubber band that is the mind. In its current(normal) state it has no beginning nor end. an "ego death" is like stretching that rubber band as it is pulled a part more and more life's facades pass by. the varying span that band is pulled equates to the different "levels" or intensity people seem to have. But at some point that rubber band, (not able or not willing to break) begins to return to its original state. i think thats why many people say they have had an "ego death" only to retract that statement because they later managed to stretch this rubber band further than they have previously been able or willing to stretch it.
And the only way to extend it beyond the current outer limits to break through the remaining facades is to break the rubber band. The circular shape of the rubber band IS the ego. it prevents you from reaching the outer most facades but also hold you together. break its bond(so called ego-death) and the rubber band now has a distinct begin(birth) and end(death).
because of my views on the subject i have a problem with the term "ego-death". ego-transcendence or better yet self-transcendence would be more suitable, but still fails to capture the experience unfortunately. the only reason i continue to use the term is because its easier as it seems to be the most common term for the event.
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