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organic foods or non organic foods...
    #8795146 - 08/19/08 12:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

better for you or not?  Well according to a study on cnn.com no but  read it and tell me if you think this is kind of a bullshit study like I do.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/08/19/organic.cooking.pv/index.html

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London (CNN) -- If you've ever found yourself in your local supermarket agonizing about whether the organic apples will be a more nutritional and greener choice than the cheaper non-organic ones, you're probably not alone.


The TERI organic cookbook is helping to grow awareness of the organic market in India
2 of 2  Year on year the organic food market grows as consumers look to make a greener and -- often thought -- more nutritional choice. A report by the UK's Soil Association revealed that consumers there spent a record $3.7 billion on organic products in 2006, that's more than 20 percent growth on 2005 spending on organic goods including food, drinks and health and beauty products.

It's a similar story in the U.S. where -- according to the Organic Trade Association -- supermarket chains like Whole Foods have helped the organic food and beverage market grow from around $1 billion in sales in 1990 to around $20 billion in 2007. Total sales for organic food and non-food products in the U.S. are expected to surpass $25 billion this year.

However, one possible spanner in the works for the organic sector could be the results of a new study by the University of Copenhagen which revealed that organic foods contained no more nutrients than non-organic foods grown with the use of pesticides.

Researchers studied five different crops -- carrots, kale, mature peas, apples and potatoes -- which were cultivated both organically (without pesticides) and conventionally (with the use of pesticides) and found that there was no higher level of trace elements in the food grown organically.

Study leader Dr Susanne Bügel said: "No systematic differences between cultivation systems representing organic and conventional production methods were found across the five crops so the study does not support the belief that organically grown foodstuffs generally contain more major and trace elements than conventionally grown foodstuffs."

This study -- published in the latest edition of the Society of Chemical Industry's (SCI) "Journal of the Science of Food and Agriculture" -- is the first to assess the nutritional value of organic fruit and vegetables and tends to support the idea that shopping organically is a lifestyle choice.

When the idea of organics being a lifestyle choice was floated in 2007 by then UK environment secretary David Miliband it drew fierce reaction from proponents of organic food, including the Soil Association, which represents organic producers.

He told the UK's Sunday Times newspaper in January 2007 that organic food represented a lifestyle choice consumers could make and suggested that the use of chemicals and pesticides in non-organic foods didn't necessarily mean they were of inferior quality.

So if organic foods aren't necessarily more nutritional, are they better for the environment?

Even still, in 2006 the UK's Manchester Business School assessed the environmental impacts of food production and consumption and concluded that there isn't a clear cut answer to whether the environmental impact is greater on a trolley full of organic food compared to a trolley full of non-organic food.

Not so, was the response from the Soil Association. Do you believe organic food is more nutritional?

It countered that: "Overall, organic farming is better for tackling climate change than industrial agricultural methods. As well as lower average energy use, organic farming also avoids the very large nitrous oxide emissions from fertilizer manufacture."

"Additionally, organic farming builds up soil carbon, removing it from the atmosphere. Organic farming also supports more local food marketing, reducing food miles."

While the jury might still be out about whether organic farming is, on the whole, better for the environment, there is little doubt that it's a booming industry which is starting to catch on in other parts of the world.

The United Nation's Food and Agriculture Organization estimates that organic farming now accounts for around 4.1 million hectares in Asian countries like India, China and Russia.

In India where the Green Revolution in the 1940s helped transform it into an agricultural hub, organic farming is slowly expanding in specialist areas like tea and spices. Perhaps an indication of the potential of the organics market there is that the Prince of Wales is looking to expand his organic food business to the sub-continent by the end of 2008.

With a mandate of sustainability, The Energy and Research Institute (TERI) in India developed an organic farm in the small village of Supi in Uttarakhand in 2002. Here, local farmers are given the know-how and technical skills to develop their own organic enterprises.

"Local farmers are involved in cultivating oregano, parsley, thyme, peppermint, rosemary, rose geranium, artimisia, stevia, lemon grass, and several other herbal and medicinal plants," TERI's Madhu Singh Sirohi told CNN.

The herbs are commercially available to hotels and restaurants in the area and Hilton Hotel executive chef Kuntal Kumar was so impressed with the quality, he's authored an organic cookbook which makes use of the herbs.

Chef Kumar told CNN that organic fruit and vegetables only make up around 14,000 tons of the two million tons of food produced by India's agricultural industry, but that measures like the "Original Organics Cookbook" would help with wider awareness.

"Our approach is two pronged; firstly we are trying to build awareness about organic farming which is in its infancy in India and secondly we are trying to build awareness within the culinary industry in India."

Kumar is sold on the superior taste, color and texture of the organic foods he uses in his kitchen, and he says the response from diners has been overwhelming.

"The response has been very positive; they are overwhelmed that we are going so close to nature and that their food is fresh from the farmland to the table."

With increased consumer awareness perhaps it won't be long before the choice between the organic and non-organic apples will be played out in markets across India.





Its not even the fact that organic is more nutricious but doesn't contain the pesticides that causes cancers and overtime failing body functions. I mean the fact that they are saying it may or may not be better for environment... what? The fact that they are not adding anything to the environment already makes it better and "greener" doesn't it?


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: Lndrydusting]
    #8795176 - 08/19/08 12:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not necessarily... since the "standards" the USDA sets for food to be labeled "organic" is disgustingly low , many 'organic' foods are in fact grown with pesticides and herbicides and can be grown with chemical fertilizers and still be labeled organic.. the decision to use or not use them is up to the grower but doesn't seem to have any effect on whether it can be called organic or not. So know your source if you want truly organic food.

That article however, is bullshit. Of course food grown with pesticides is not going to have less nutrients.. it is going to have however.... pesticides. They sort of fail to mention that. Organic foods ARE healthier because consuming poison is NOT healthy, duh.
And truly organic farming is always going to be more green then using a bunch of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. Not to mention I don't really want to be consuming massive amount of pesticides every year how about you.


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: Shroomism]
    #8795203 - 08/19/08 01:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I love the taste of organic fruits and vegetables compared to chemy stuff, its so much sweeter and tastes how it should.


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    #8795216 - 08/19/08 01:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Organic veggies and fruits don't always last as long as non-organic ones but there is truely a taste difference. Sadly most of the organic items in the regular supermarkets have already mostly gone bad. Its pretty tit when you find a farmers market with organic foods though! Much fresher!


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8795224 - 08/19/08 01:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

wall mart organic is different than trader joes organic im sure


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8795267 - 08/19/08 01:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

double post sorry


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: Lndrydusting]
    #8795288 - 08/19/08 01:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

organic fruits and veggies are wayyyy better than regular stuff


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8795289 - 08/19/08 01:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that taste and overall plant health are so much better with organic.

I read this article years ago about this one botanist saying that plants have evolved through the millennium by the chemicals the poisons they produce as they can't move like animals can. You know, they cant run or defend themselves, so their chemical makeup is critical.
And he was saying that plants grown free of pesticides and such produce more of this bad "stuff" compared to plants that have it easy. The pesticide and chemical fertilizer plants don't need to amp up production of this bad "stuff" he goes on to say. Also the shear fact that chem grown product can much more cheaply be grown for the worlds masses getting vegetable and plant based nutrition to those who otherwise couldn't afford organic produce.

Hell, the guy was probably a puppet from the pro chemical produced food lobbyists.


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: altershroom]
    #8795306 - 08/19/08 01:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't agree that the overall plant health is better, but I do believe it tastes better organic. Its also nice to eat foods that don't have poisons (pesticides) sprayed on them. But as shroomism said, the USDA standards are pretty low for organic.


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: Rebirtha]
    #8795318 - 08/19/08 01:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

But even lowered standards organics are still better quality than regular ones dowsed with pesticides aren't they?


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: Lndrydusting]
    #8795329 - 08/19/08 01:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, for sure, there's not a difference really.

GO FARMER'S MARKETS!  Those are where the good stuff is at.  Next to your own garden, of course!


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: Rebirtha]
    #8795363 - 08/19/08 01:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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I don't agree that the overall plant health is better,




Well I guess I meant the soil is healthier than chemical fertilizer soil. More microbial growth in the organic.


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: Tri High]
    #8795370 - 08/19/08 01:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Presumably, you can objectively measure "trace elements" between organic and "conventional" foods.  In this report, it appears they were not significantly different.

Subjective measures of taste are much harder to document and measure.  If you've ever done experiments asking people to describe subjective effects between two things, you'll find people's minds can play tricks on them.

Most consumers of "organic" foods are staunch supporters of organically grown food.  Obviously they are going to say "oh, organic food definetly taste better".  But if you put it to the test, it may not always come out that way.  Studies have found that if you don't tell people beforehand, they don't rate any differences in taste between "organic" and "conventinal foods".

Not to mention the variability between harvests.


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: badchad]
    #8795384 - 08/19/08 01:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

All I know is the tomatoes from my garden taste a hell of a lot better than the ones I get from the store.


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: Lndrydusting]
    #8795395 - 08/19/08 01:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

BTW There are organic pesticides and herbicides..Just because it's organic doesn't mean its safe..The plant  doesn't know, where its food comes from...


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: Shroomism]
    #8795405 - 08/19/08 01:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would attribute that to freshness, not 'organicness'

I dont buy all the hype.  I think pesticides are a great thing.  Fuck organic, I want genetically modified food.


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    #8795429 - 08/19/08 01:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I bet there are so many variables affecting something as subjective as "taste" that its nearly impossible to distinguish organic from conventional.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: DieCommie]
    #8795434 - 08/19/08 01:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why? Just curious....

Cause nature didn't get it right?

I mean don't get me wrong I enjoy some of the benefits of genetically engineered food, but we don't know what long term effects it might have..

As for pesticides, well.. they are not safe for human consumption.


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Re: organic foods or non organic foods... [Re: Lndrydusting]
    #8795441 - 08/19/08 01:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

usda organic is a sham


buy from local growers :thumbup:


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    #8795447 - 08/19/08 01:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think alot of the taste difference has to do with the life cycle of organic foods vs non-organic foods. Organic foods tend to have a shorter shelf life and get ripe and tender sooner and thats when the taste really blossoms. Non-organic foods can have a longer shelf life and in my experience they ripen in a lot longer period of time and then once they do they rot soon after. When I shop for strawberries in the store I have a hard time finding ones that look ripe and not already rotting. PYO is the best way to get most fruits and veggies. Finding an organic farm is a definite plus though.


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