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The most important subject?
    #8794852 - 08/19/08 11:52 AM (10 years, 17 hours ago)

For you personally or impersonally whats the the most important subject which could be discussed by sentient beings?


I would say the most auspicious question someone could contemplate or discuss is,
who are we & where do we come from?

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Re: The most important subject? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8794858 - 08/19/08 11:53 AM (10 years, 17 hours ago)

How shall we live?


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: Veritas]
    #8794873 - 08/19/08 11:56 AM (10 years, 17 hours ago)

To question the root assumptions present in every thought.


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: Veritas]
    #8794885 - 08/19/08 11:58 AM (10 years, 17 hours ago)

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Veritas said:
How shall we live?




This question comes up alot for me recently, especially when it seems the world is heading for huge disasters, i seem to have a reoccuring thought that if there was only say 500,000 thousand people left on a de-structured earth, they would have to seriously have to ask from a society & personal viewpoint "how shall we live?"

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Re: The most important subject? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8794913 - 08/19/08 12:01 PM (10 years, 17 hours ago)

I think that the question "how shall we live" is even more relevant when there are nearly 7 billion people on a semi-structured Earth.  :shrug:  I've observed in others and in myself a tendency to think "I'm just a drop in the bucket, I can't make a difference with my puny actions" because there are so many humans on the planet.

But how else can we make a difference, besides through personal activism?  Every revolution has to begin on the individual level, though it may gain momentum as others notice the change.


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: Veritas]
    #8794986 - 08/19/08 12:15 PM (10 years, 16 hours ago)

"Be the change you want to see in the world"
Ghandi

I definately feel that the best thing anyone can do to help humanity is find out who they are & change inwardly because then all the good stuff comes natural compassion, love, trust, sharing etc...

Dont change the world, change your mind!

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Re: The most important subject? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8795005 - 08/19/08 12:18 PM (10 years, 16 hours ago)

If you change your mind, you have changed the world.  :shrug:  I agree that any change for the better must begin within.  An inner shift motivates you towards action, taking actions which are in alignment with your values creates another inner shift, and so on.  :thumbup:


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: Veritas]
    #8795048 - 08/19/08 12:26 PM (10 years, 16 hours ago)

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Veritas said:
How shall we live?




You stole the words right out of my mouth. This is the question. The only question, as far as I'm concerned. All other questions lead back to inform this one.


Edited by NiamhNyx (08/19/08 12:36 PM)


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8795051 - 08/19/08 12:27 PM (10 years, 16 hours ago)

Why?


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: deCypher]
    #8795120 - 08/19/08 12:45 PM (10 years, 16 hours ago)

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The Cypher said:
Why?


Why is asking "Why?" important to you?

A lot of our suffering seems to stem from this question.  If you ask why, why is this happening, why are we here, etc., you fabricate a reality that isn't really there, IMO.  What if there is no "because..."?


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to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8795145 - 08/19/08 12:48 PM (10 years, 16 hours ago)

How can we end prohibition?


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: Lion]
    #8795167 - 08/19/08 12:55 PM (10 years, 16 hours ago)

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Lion said: Why is asking "Why?" important to you?

A lot of our suffering seems to stem from this question.  If you ask why, why is this happening, why are we here, etc., you fabricate a reality that isn't really there, IMO.  What if there is no "because..."?




I like how you used "why" in your question to me.

You do bring up a good point, though.  Fundamentally, following Hume, I'd agree that there is no reason for the way things are--cause and effect is simply an illusion, fostered by our belief in the repetition of coincidences and constant conjunction of two events.  However, if we never asked "why?", the world would be in a lot sorrier shape than it is now.  Accepting things for the way they are without ever questioning their reason for being there (illusory or not), is a sure-fire path to an authoritarian society and loss of freedom of spirit.


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8795321 - 08/19/08 01:29 PM (10 years, 15 hours ago)

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Chronic777 said:
For you personally or impersonally whats the the most important subject which could be discussed by sentient beings?


I would say the most auspicious question someone could contemplate or discuss is,
who are we & where do we come from?

:rose:
:peace:




Recently belief and existential substance have been important subjects for "me". They definitely tie in with who we are and where we come from.

I am starting to develop the belief that as we understand the possibility of a convergent belief we may physically see it so. The thing about seeing belief is the first person you have to believe is yourself, so you have to be very respectful. Feelings like guilt are believed for a reason, and we are not used to being exposed to this visually.

The way our words are structured for us, and subliminal messages we allow to slip under the words are of great interest. We believe them necessary for the foundation of consensus reality.




For you personally or impersonally...

(conscious) Let's bring to each others eyes...
(subconscious) To indulge belief in what is your ego, dichotomize it for me...

...whats the the most important subject which could be discussed by sentient beings?

(conscious) ...our greatest beliefs.
(subconscious) ...linguistically intersect the substance within your beliefs of importance. Believe in sentience to bring about greater freedom of thought.

PS: This should only be believed as an echo, not a claim for certainty. Echos expand into possibility.


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8795360 - 08/19/08 01:35 PM (10 years, 15 hours ago)

Reality shows or sitcoms?

Which should die first?



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Re: The most important subject? [Re: deCypher]
    #8795389 - 08/19/08 01:42 PM (10 years, 15 hours ago)

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cause and effect is simply an illusion




Can you expansiate on that?

Did he lump it in with the illusion of linear time?

Who says cause and effect can not also exist out of linear space time sequencing and linear perception?

What is an example of something changing form without a cause of movement?

Why would cause and effect contribute to human suffering?

It can be and is the pinical for human empowerment and understanding the way I see it.


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: Lion]
    #8795436 - 08/19/08 01:49 PM (10 years, 15 hours ago)

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Lion said:
Quote:

The Cypher said:
Why?


Why is asking "Why?" important to you?

A lot of our suffering seems to stem from this question.  If you ask why, why is this happening, why are we here, etc., you fabricate a reality that isn't really there, IMO.  What if there is no "because..."?




Asking a question is how we disguise the fact that we are giving a command.

We once had opened eyes, and we knew all we believed.

The ability to say words with meaning was the ability to cast spells, because all who heard and knew simply believed.

As humans plentified they realized a need to get away from the magic. They tied a knot in their mind and they believed it as hard as they could. After unimaginable strain, they finally had a place they could believe but they could not see. It did not matter how much it hurt, because now even though they still felt it, they could now let it not hurt them.

When they came face to face with other mages, they could simply disbelieve them. The users of words that were notmagic triumphed. Even though the light mages could still spell beliefs to other light mages in the light, when dark mages were present the notmagic would mute out all hope.

As notmagic gained hold of all humanity, gradually they grew used to the knot. In spite of the pain.

Is a question just a notmagic was of showing you something you don't see, perhaps? Like a demand for an answer?


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #8795460 - 08/19/08 01:53 PM (10 years, 15 hours ago)

Where shall we have lunch?


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8795476 - 08/19/08 01:56 PM (10 years, 15 hours ago)

cause and effect is simply an illusion

you Can expansiate on that.

think about if he Did lump it in with the illusion of linear time.

The discretized ego says cause and effect can not also exist out of linear space time sequencing and linear perception.

Supposing is an example of something changing form without a cause of movement.

Wonder if cause and effect contribute to human suffering for me please.

It can be and is the pinical for human empowerment and understanding the way I see it.




Sorry, just reflecting on your post.


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8795516 - 08/19/08 02:01 PM (10 years, 15 hours ago)

I'd like to see more importance played on how we collectively choose bring life into this world, and handle with respect life leaving this world.

How can we expect to fully get a handle on life's important questions, when we still collectively have little respect or reverence for it's importance to us.

Killing comes far to easy to far to many on this planet.


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Re: The most important subject? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8795536 - 08/19/08 02:04 PM (10 years, 15 hours ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
I'd like to see more importance played on how we collectively choose bring life into this world, and handle with respect life leaving this world.

How can we expect to fully get a handle on life's important questions, when we still collectively have little respect or reverence for it's importance to us.

Killing comes far to easy to far to many on this planet.




Great thinkers are already on the right track.

Start by asking a question like "How can we expect to fully get a handle on life's important questions,".

And then find a way to understand the truth in the question.

And then be the change you want to see (however you'd like to say or do it).


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