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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: Alicedee25]
    #8793242 - 08/18/08 10:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Totally agree.. without negative there can't really be positive. Make sense?


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: dwtk]
    #8793265 - 08/18/08 10:32 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

^agreed.  you need that reference of feeling


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: anyone420]
    #8793299 - 08/18/08 10:39 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I thought this thread was going to be about suicide, from the title :justdontknow:

What does this have to do w/ psychedelics.


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: Alicedee25]
    #8793328 - 08/18/08 10:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I would rather feel nothing than nothing but pain (I suspect this would be better in both a literal and figurative sense of "nothing"). Of course, you can argue that pain experienced in the complete absence of pleasure would be perceived as something else, but enough of that philosophical claptrap :rolleyes:


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: aDoS]
    #8794727 - 08/19/08 09:28 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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aDoS said:
yeah, its why God gave us the papaver somniferum plant.




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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: Alicedee25]
    #8794756 - 08/19/08 09:32 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

We live in a dualistic world... if you feel pain, you must feel "not-pain" so I'd rather feel pain then nothing at all because with the pain will come "not-pain" - it's necessary. Just like in order to be happy, you must have sadness. Otherwise it would just be an empty unknown feeling. To feel the happyness of happy, you must feel the sadness of sad. Happy cannot be happy without sad, just like pain cannot be pain without not-pain - it would just be an unknown empty feeling.

If that doesn't make sense... think about it, because it does.


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all *DELETED* [Re: Robo]
    #8794761 - 08/19/08 09:33 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: sinzok]
    #8794795 - 08/19/08 09:42 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

wheelz fall off is an amazing song :crankey:


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: Alicedee25]
    #8794810 - 08/19/08 09:44 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Disagree, for as much as I love pain, I even moreso love numbness. To feel nothing would be more ideal than feeling the range of emotions. I strive to be comfortably numb.

I also agree that that is a terrible song.


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #8794861 - 08/19/08 09:54 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Disagree, for as much as I love pain, I even moreso love numbness. To feel nothing would be more ideal than feeling the range of emotions. I strive to be comfortably numb.

I also agree that that is a terrible song.




I don't understand how you would want to be numb for your entire life. To never know what love is? Or to never be excited? What kind of life is that? Not much of one at all IMO. A large part of life is the emotional roller coaster we all go through, the ups and downs, the good times the bad times... not the indifference of everything ever.

How could you be comfortably numb... thats a contradiction. If you are numb and have no feelings then you cannot be comfortable... or uncomfortable for that matter...


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: Platinum]
    #8794891 - 08/19/08 09:59 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

haha dunecat


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: Platinum]
    #8794925 - 08/19/08 10:03 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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MisterMuscaria said:
Disagree, for as much as I love pain, I even moreso love numbness. To feel nothing would be more ideal than feeling the range of emotions. I strive to be comfortably numb.

I also agree that that is a terrible song.




I don't understand how you would want to be numb for your entire life. To never know what love is? Or to never be excited? What kind of life is that? Not much of one at all IMO. A large part of life is the emotional roller coaster we all go through, the ups and downs, the good times the bad times... not the indifference of everything ever.

How could you be comfortably numb... thats a contradiction. If you are numb and have no feelings then you cannot be comfortable... or uncomfortable for that matter...




I figure Ill get to be numb after my life is over and I kinda look forward to it. I mean, emotional rollercoasters are as unenjoyable for me as real rollercoasters(which I despise). I wish I could be indifferent so that I wouldnt crave things like love or hate in the first place.

Im an impersonalist to begin with though so I believe that "self" is an illusion and to be dettached from all emotion is the ultimate form of union with the cosmos. I carefully strive for that through meditation; even during my trips and shun much of the values that a personalist would strive for.


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #8795790 - 08/19/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You believe you are choosing whether or not to believe this.


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #8795798 - 08/19/08 12:46 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Are you guys crazy? Pain hurts. lol

pleasure > nothing > pain

If you're talking about a prolonged pain, no way it can be better than feeling nothing. The only reason why it could, is that after some time you might get used to the pain and it would be just a "sensation", not real pain anymore.

Oh btw, lemme quote a great song

"I hurt myself today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that's real"

Peace.


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: Hiei]
    #8795824 - 08/19/08 12:52 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Hiei said:
"I hurt myself today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that's real"




Such a great song.  I always wanted to trip to the entirety of The Downward Spiral, although I'm pretty sure that's a one-way ticket to ending up cutting yourself while wallowing in suicidal self-loathing.


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: deCypher]
    #8795886 - 08/19/08 01:04 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Absolutely. NOT suggested. :biggrin:


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: Hiei]
    #8796116 - 08/19/08 01:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Depersonalisation and derealisation are common disorders associated with psychedelic drug use, so I imagine a lot of people on these boards would have experienced them at one point or another.

Feeling numb is no fun. They even made a movie about depersonalisation, albeit a poor one, starring Matthew Perry. He got stuck with it after smoking one joint.

Do any of you guys suffer from dp/dr?


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: psychejam]
    #8796187 - 08/19/08 01:55 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe. Dunno..

looking at Wikipedia's description it fuckin sounds like an OBE.. so I'd say fuck no.

Depersonalization (or depersonalisation) is an 'alteration' in the perception or experience of the self so that one feels 'detached' from, and as if one is an 'outside' observer of, one's mental processes or body. A feeling of watching oneself act, while having no control over a situation.[1] It can be considered desirable, such as in the use of recreational drugs, but it usually refers to the severe form found in anxiety and, in the most intense case, panic attacks. A sufferer feels that he or she has changed and the world has become less real, vague, dreamlike, or lacking in significance. It can sometimes be a rather disturbing experience, since many feel that indeed, they are living in a "dream."


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: psychejam]
    #8796198 - 08/19/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Depersonalisation and derealisation are common disorders associated with psychedelic drug use, so I imagine a lot of people on these boards would have experienced them at one point or another.

Feeling numb is no fun. They even made a movie about depersonalisation, albeit a poor one, starring Matthew Perry. He got stuck with it after smoking one joint.

Do any of you guys suffer from dp/dr?




if I did, I wouldn't care.


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: Platinum]
    #8796242 - 08/19/08 02:03 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Pretty sure you would care--from descriptions of DP/DR sufferers, it definitely sounds like a horrible condition: one where you feel removed from your body and unable to fully participate in life anymore.

Just check out any accounts at http://www.hppdonline.com/forum/index.php , for example.


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