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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: anyone420]
    #8793033 - 08/18/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

So my choices are:

a.) feel no pleasure, but feel pain.

or

b.) feel no pleasure, but don't feel pain.

Since both of these options allow no hedonistic satisfaction, and only one of the options allows me to avoid negative reinforcement, I'd go with feeling nothing at all.


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: aDoS]
    #8794727 - 08/19/08 09:28 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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aDoS said:
yeah, its why God gave us the papaver somniferum plant.




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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: Hiei]
    #8795824 - 08/19/08 12:52 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Hiei said:
"I hurt myself today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that's real"




Such a great song.  I always wanted to trip to the entirety of The Downward Spiral, although I'm pretty sure that's a one-way ticket to ending up cutting yourself while wallowing in suicidal self-loathing.


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: Platinum]
    #8796242 - 08/19/08 02:03 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Pretty sure you would care--from descriptions of DP/DR sufferers, it definitely sounds like a horrible condition: one where you feel removed from your body and unable to fully participate in life anymore.

Just check out any accounts at http://www.hppdonline.com/forum/index.php , for example.


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all (moved) [Re: Platinum]
    #8797395 - 08/19/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Platinum said: ex: the badness of bad is a necessary bad in order to understand the goodness of good. think about it... really... it makes sense.




Yes, this is true, but only because good and evil are philosophical concepts.

Happiness, sadness, pain, and pleasure, are all neurochemical states, and thus do not require the existence of their dualistic opposites in order to exist themselves.  For instance, some humans are born without the capacity to feel pain.  They can still feel the pleasure of an orgasm, however.


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8798347 - 08/19/08 08:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, pain is still a pretty damn negative feeling.

Self-immolation is fairly badass though, I will admit.  How does one train yourself mentally to prepare for such an act!?


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Re: i'd rather feel pain than feel nothin at all [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8798554 - 08/19/08 09:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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PhanTomCat said:
The biggest question that comes to my mind is, WHY....?
What is "gained" by doing this....?




Because martyrs have a way of making a point that few other people can.  This is the same reason that people still remember the Christians who voluntarily gave themselves up to the lions.


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