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QuitDrinking
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Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung
#879182 - 09/11/02 10:28 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Spores were brownish purple (at least gills and crap that would shake out were) Could they be anything dangerous? Is there a chance of innoculating a compost pile with crispy old spores or should I hang it up. I started to eat one but found maggots in another and lost my appetite Oh yeah , I'm in South Carolina. By the By, they look a lot like the copelandia pics on the site here. biggest was about 2 inches across, 6" tall.
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Edited by QuitDrinking (09/11/02 10:36 PM)
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: QuitDrinking]
#879198 - 09/11/02 10:42 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey, Im in SC too! Im not sure I would eat that. I get kind of nervous with wild white mushrooms. could be a species of amantia. If you find anything in SC it would probably be cubenis. post a pic. You havnt eaten any of them have you?
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: bluesky]
#879203 - 09/11/02 10:44 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Have no Digi-cam the look like cope landia , but I saw no blueing
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: QuitDrinking]
#879206 - 09/11/02 10:53 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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ooooooooo, not good. If I remember correctly copes DO bruise blue. If you are even a little unsure about it, dont eat it. how big is it?
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: QuitDrinking]
#879207 - 09/11/02 10:54 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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NEVER ingest an unidentified mushroom. Think, you're asking if they are dangerous but you started eating one, does it sound like anything intelligent to do ?
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: MAIA]
#879214 - 09/11/02 10:58 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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If they are all dried up and rotten, you wouldnt want to eat them anyway.
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: QuitDrinking]
#879215 - 09/11/02 10:59 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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O.K. I won't eat them . I'll go back there later and see if i can find any in good enough condition to identify. I guess there is a copelandia description on this site.
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: QuitDrinking]
#879217 - 09/11/02 11:01 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good thinkin
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: bluesky]
#879504 - 09/12/02 01:35 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mushroom maggots don't infest poisonous mushrooms. So not a poisonous amanita.
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Anno
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: drow]
#879700 - 09/12/02 03:35 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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>Mushroom maggots don't infest poisonous mushrooms. So not a poisonous amanita.
Wow, this is the biggest piece of missinformation i read up to this day!
Off course poisonous mushrooms can and do often contain maggots ! ! This is no criteria if a mushroom is poisonous or not ! ! !
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: Anno]
#879706 - 09/12/02 03:37 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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im glad you said that i was gonna say that but i wasnt sure if i was right
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: drow]
#879982 - 09/12/02 05:54 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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drow man, you're crazier than a shit house rat Maggots don't have the same livers as we do, for all we know muscarine doesnt affect them.
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Mitchnast
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: Gumby]
#880067 - 09/12/02 07:08 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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actually we DO know that muscarine effects maggots, the same way it effects flies. muscarine, from lat MUS as in fly. aka FLY AGARIC it kills them however the harmful amanotoxins in deadly amanitas and galerenas are different and some maggots are immune and eat them anyway.
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: QuitDrinking]
#880590 - 09/12/02 12:34 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow, I can just feel the love. Hostile crowd you guys are. Only the caps of the fly agaric contains what we want, the stems do not. That is why you will find mushroom maggots in the stems, but NEVER in the caps. I have done more than my share of research on this over the years guys. So keep all your insults to yourselves.
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: drow]
#880594 - 09/12/02 12:35 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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PS. Fly agaric DOES NOT CONTAIN ANY MUSCARINE. If it did, it would be a deadly mushroom.
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: drow]
#880637 - 09/12/02 01:07 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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umm, as a matter of fact aminita muscaria DOES contain muscarine, and it DOES exist in the stipe. it is equally previlant in the gills and cap flesh as with the stipe. it is however considered strongest in the skin. fly agaric=aminita muscaria muscaria = muscarine simple enough logic. also the truth. and i have no idea what the heck you are talking about or why you are spreading dangerous misinformation whoever you are drow it also contains muscimole and ibotenic acid which is more what youre after. muscarine was first discovered in aminita muscaria. far stronger and deadlier tho in inocybes. btw, if you consume inocybes, you can combat the exteme toxic effects of the muscarine by consuming low doses of datura or other nightshades. muscarine poisoning isnt usually fatal tho it can be, but rapidly abates after consumption of atropine. (hence the nightshades) A. Muscaria or fly agaric does in fact contain muscarine. not in deadly quantities like as in inocybes. that much is very very very obvious.yeesh
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: Mitchnast]
#880655 - 09/12/02 01:20 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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>fly agaric=aminita muscaria >muscaria = muscarine >simple enough logic.
The simplest logic is not allways right.
First, it?s Amanita muscaria. It contains mainly ibotenic acid, muscazon and muscimol, but NO MUSCARINE. Muscarine is contained in "Inocybe species, Clitocybe dealbata, and several relatives, Omphalatus species, and certain red-pored Boletus."( http://www.namyco.org/poison/muscarin.htm ).
More about mushroom poisons and poisoning: http://www.namyco.org/poison/poison.htm
As for Amanita muscaria and other poisonous mushrooms not containing maggots, in Austria they do, I?ve seen them with my own eyes. And I very strongly asume it?s not only a country spezific phenomenon.
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: Anno]
#880662 - 09/12/02 01:25 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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amanita muscaria DOES contain muscarine and yes, so do inocybes, in about 100X the amount. muscarine was first discovered in amanita muscaria. this is well documented. ill fine some proof, hang on
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: Mitchnast]
#880677 - 09/12/02 01:36 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.xrefer.com/entry/410442 ^^ short and sweet http://www.uoguelph.ca/~gbarron/MISCELLANEOUS/dec00.htm ^^ although low in muscarine, it IS present. http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_info6.shtml ^^".002% - .003% by dry weight" http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/felter/amanita-musc.html ^^ slightly overplays the muscarine content http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2863.htm ^^ " Plants containing muscarine, such as A muscaria, Clitocybe cerrusata, Clitocybe dealbata, Clitocybe nuulosa, Inocybe fastigiata, Inocybe geophylla, Inocybe rimosus, and Omphalotus illudens (jack-o’-lantern plant)"
and so on
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: Mitchnast]
#880769 - 09/12/02 02:38 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Muscaria = muscimol, not muscarine even in small quantities muscarine is deadly
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: drow]
#880898 - 09/12/02 03:44 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/amanita.php?doc=3
And I quote, "Gnat larvae are probably the worst enemies, drilling up from the stem and into the cap, often devouring the gills and inner meat while avoiding the immediate cap, possibly due to its chemical makeup."
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: QuitDrinking]
#881075 - 09/12/02 08:27 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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More Info on the shrooms in questions. Spore print is black. After it landed and dried on foil I could barely scrape it off. Stems are strong and about 1/4" diameter, had a little trouble cutting with a dull razor blade. No veil. gills are light grey in young, turning dark from the sopres when mature. Young are off white , slightly more mature one had a light brown/gold color in the center of the cap, turning whiter on the outside. Young are smooth, older ones have a criss-crossed cracked appearance, like drought afflicted land, with off white to tan color on the outside, showing white(er) in the cracks. Made spore prints in mason jars. Some of the older drying adults had a silvery color on the cap like an old ladies hair. Adults caps were around 2 inches across. Broke down and ate a small immature shroom, no noticable effects, still alive 13 hours later. Crushed/ Soaked it in alcohol to kill horse shit germs.
Also found some very simular except all off-white smooth cap even as adults. These were in shady grassy pasture. others were in full sun.
There shape was slightly bell shaped. Not much but slightly, they almost flattend. This applies to both types found
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Edited by QuitDrinking (09/12/02 08:46 PM)
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: QuitDrinking]
#881141 - 09/12/02 10:27 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im in SC too. Where are some good fields in the upstate? Does anyone know???
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: drow]
#881508 - 09/13/02 07:13 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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so? that means nothing. did you actually LOOK at the evidance i posted? shall i post about 1000 more? it would take alot of time, but it wouldnt be hard to find more proof that amanita muscaria contains muscarine. and BTW, muscarine poisoning even in inocybes and clitocybes etc, almost always subsides completely even untreated within 24 hours. even in mushrooms where it is abundant it is rarely fatal. tho potentially fatal and has caused deaths. the only thing i take back is that flies dying from consumption of A muscaria prooves muscarine. that was an assumption. however, fact is it contains muscarine, sorry. you are, in fact wrong. and posting a list of muscarine-containing mushrooms where amanita muscaria is absent (and posting the scourse) does not proove it does not contain the chemical. its just not as high in the chemical as the other, more dangerous mushrooms. and also in reference to the post from the shroomeries amanita section. i dont beleive that was very sceintific. seems like more of a circomstantial observation. all mushrooms have more larvae in the stems, but thats their entry point, it takes time to fully infest a mushroom and mushrooms dont live very long. and just to clarify. amanita muscaria contains muscarine. so there
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: Mitchnast]
#881628 - 09/13/02 08:08 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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OMG, if you actually believe muscarine is not going to kill you, then you go right ahead and start eating death caps. Throw in some destroying angels while you are it. Luck to you, I'll send flowers to your funeral.
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: drow]
#882947 - 09/13/02 07:32 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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none of those mushrooms YOU just mentioned are known to contain muscarine drow. they all contain amanotoxins (tho they may also contain muscarine in trace amounts) the toxic chemical in death caps and destroying angels are amanotoxins, virotoxins, and phallotoxins. the primary toxins are the bycyclic octopeptides amanotoxins which are also the deadliest because they are rapidly absorbed into the liver, damaging it before they are passed our through bile into the blood and re-absobed by the liver again and again untill the liver rots and dies. this is why you get sick, then better, then sick again and die. because the liver is damaged, then excretes the poison, then re-absorbs its own toxic excreta in a damaged state. youre liver literally chokes to death on its own shit. why would eating deadly amanitas like those prove any point? would you please take the time you spend pretending you know something and invest it in learning something? its tiring correcting all your haughty rediculous errors so some novice like yourself doesnt take them seriously.
generally symptons of inocybe (muscarine) poisoning subside in 24 hours. death is possible, but unlikely in most cases. and oddly enough atropine is an antidote. just as muscarine is considered the antidote for atropine. its sorta cool really. ohyeah, and i checked your website drow. you have amanita pantherina labeled "delicious mushroom with a pleasent kick" or something retarded like that. have you ever actually eaten one of these somatic amanitas? vomiting and dizzyness are not my idea of a good time. go ahead and try to give yet another asinine auto-defamatory peice of your mind.
why are you doing this? are you some kinda nut? if youre trying to help people please stop, your information is dangerous. all insults aside, you could hurt somebody, seriously.
just because it is unlikely you will die of muscarine does not mean anyone should ever consume it. it CAN kill you. and it is in aminita muscaria, that is the mushroom it was first discovered in and hitherto named after.
one interesting thing ive read on erowid is that amanita muscaria also contains mycoatropine which would of course chemically cancel out the effects of the small amount of muscarine present. i dont know how reputable the scource is tho. and i still dont advise consumption of any toxic amanita.
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: Mitchnast]
#883082 - 09/13/02 08:41 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh yes, and for your immidiate benefit consuming muscarine-containing mushrooms will make you violently ill. you will probably survive. why you would take that as an incentive to eat them is up to you.
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O.K, O.K. , You're right, I'm Stupid. [Re: drow]
#884650 - 09/16/02 12:23 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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The one shroom had no effect, good or bad, days later and I'm fine. I heard that if it grows in dung and has black sopres it can't kill you, is that far fetched? Anyway what the hell are these things ? They are very common in horse manure around here. White shroom, grey gills, black spores , no veil, South Carolina
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