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PsilocybinMike
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IV LSD?
#8790441 - 08/18/08 11:07 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anyone here ever actually IV'd some LSD? I used to post @ the BlueLight forum (still do from time to time) and I remember there being a few people who had mainlined acid before.
That would be sooo intense I bet. But I Still don't think I could ever do it...
I don't think I could ever shoot any drug. I fucking hate needles.
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it seems like a horrid idea.... a psychedelic experience induced by a needle.... i would trip bad for sure....
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unless it was in a hospital setting
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RedRainDrop said: it seems like a horrid idea.... a psychedelic experience induced by a needle.... i would trip bad for sure....
Dunno.. a lotta people shoot ketamine and have had profound/positive experiences from it.
It seems like it would be the most intense way to trip for sure. The onset would be practically immediate too, rather than the "coming up" like on other psychedelics...
Still though. Don't think I could inject myself with anything..
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Buccal absorption (e.g through the lining of the mouth) shouldn't vary significantly from IV administration (on the order of minutes). I don't think there should be much difference.
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All reports indicate that it is no more intense than taking it sub lingually. LSD has an extremely high sublingual bioavailability and absorbs very rapidly. IV doesn't produce a rush or instant peak.
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LSDreamer said: All reports indicate that it is no more intense than taking it sub lingually. LSD has an extremely high sublingual bioavailability and absorbs very rapidly. IV doesn't produce a rush or instant peak.
Just curious if you are referring to professional reports.
I've only come across one professional study, and that study supports your assertion (peak effects were somewhere around 30 min IV).
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RedRainDrop said: it seems like a horrid idea.... a psychedelic experience induced by a needle.... i would trip bad for sure....
how does a needle change anything?
idk guess everyone is different, but i would have no problems receiving injections of LSD, DMT, Ketamine, and a few other psychs..
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Re: IV LSD? [Re: badchad]
#8790558 - 08/18/08 11:27 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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LSDreamer said: All reports indicate that it is no more intense than taking it sub lingually. LSD has an extremely high sublingual bioavailability and absorbs very rapidly. IV doesn't produce a rush or instant peak.
Just curious if you are referring to professional reports.
I've only come across one professional study, and that study supports your assertion (peak effects were somewhere around 30 min IV).
Both. What few professional reports there are and all personal reports.
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a needle shoots it directly into your blood stream...
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^Yes, we are aware. What's your point lol.
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Shroomsbrrr said: a needle shoots it directly into your blood stream...
exactly
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eating it eventually gets to your bloodstream as well!
its all just chemistry who cares how the drug is consumed.
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Shroomsbrrr said: a needle shoots it directly into your blood stream...
exactly
I still don't see the point. Are you trying to defend the idea that IVing LSD would produce a rush and instant peak?
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i definitely dont think so.
id never shoot it up with stuff i had off the street either. so i highly doubt i will ever shoot LSD.
ketamine though, that would be pretty awesome..
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usefulidiot13 said: i definitely dont think so.
id never shoot it up with stuff i had off the street either. so i highly doubt i will ever shoot LSD.
ketamine though, that would be pretty awesome..
Most people don't like IV ketamine. IM on the other hand is supposed to be great. I'm going to have the opportunity in a month or so to IV DMT. I'm looking forward to that.
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yeah i would do either one...id try both if possible.
hope that works out for you.
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RedRainDrop said: it seems like a horrid idea.... a psychedelic experience induced by a needle.... i would trip bad for sure....
This doesn't really make much sense. How about all the DMT volunteers in Rick Strassman's study who had powerful spiritual experiences after being injected with DMT, and hooked up to machines and tubes no less!
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I think Aldous Huxley wrote on a piece of paper on the verge of death LSD 100 micrograms IV. And his wife did it, then he died in full trip as the LSD would kick in immediately.
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Cannashroom said: I think Aldous Huxley wrote on a piece of paper on the verge of death LSD 100 micrograms IV. And his wife did it, then he died in full trip as the LSD would kick in immediately.
IV LSD causes an instant come-up, not an instant trip. He probably died tripping if they timed it right, though not very hard given it was only 100ug.
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You would have to have some type of agent to suspend the LSD in for the syringe cause I sure as hell wouldn't want to try to eyeball 200 micrograms hehe.
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Re: IV LSD? [Re: Epyx]
#8790817 - 08/18/08 12:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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^Throw a few blotters in high quality vodka, let sit for 10 minutes, draw and shoot. Yes, it'd be safe. People have been known to IV vodka with no immediate harm. I'd suggest Everclear, but that might be too concentrated to shoot. Might burn your vein. Distilled water is also a viable option. IVing is reported to produce only a slightly more intense peak, so you could just IV whatever your standard dose it.
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Shroomsbrrr said: a needle shoots it directly into your blood stream...
exactly
I still don't see the point. Are you trying to defend the idea that IVing LSD would produce a rush and instant peak?
Where the fuck did you get the idea from my response that it had anything to do to claiming that IVing LSD would produce an instant peak?
I said the onset would be instantaneous. Rather than coming up, like one does when eating some blotter, it would eliminate the coming up process by going directly into your blood stream.
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^Calm down, calm down. I just wasn't sure what you were trying to say.
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usefulidiot13 said: i definitely dont think so.
id never shoot it up with stuff i had off the street either. so i highly doubt i will ever shoot LSD.
ketamine though, that would be pretty awesome..
Most people don't like IV ketamine. IM on the other hand is supposed to be great.
Yea I think IM is recommended over IV, and they still warn of muscle pain, would probably kill to IV.
Not into shooting up to get high, even more so when a drop or small item in the mouth is the other option.
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Shroomsbrrr said: a needle shoots it directly into your blood stream...
exactly
I still don't see the point. Are you trying to defend the idea that IVing LSD would produce a rush and instant peak?
Where the fuck did you get the idea from my response that it had anything to do to claiming that IVing LSD would produce an instant peak?
I said the onset would be instantaneous. Rather than coming up, like one does when eating some blotter, it would eliminate the coming up process by going directly into your blood stream.
He didn't get ANY idea... that's why he asked. The person stated the fact that a needle shoots it directly into the blood stream... obviously... thats what needles do. You saying "exactly" was just retarded... yeah... thats exactly what needles do. Thanks genius.
He was trying to figure out what the whole point of those posts were, as was I... That post was as pointless as saying "the sky is blue..." yeah... no shit the sky is blue, and your point?
edit: guess i posted late... hate when that happens.
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One time while I was at the Outpost, I had been shooting coke and speed, and I ran out of everything. There comes a point when you want to keep shooting something, even if you’re high, just to get a new rush. Someone had given me a hit of acid and I had a bottle of vodka, so I took the acid, put it in a spoon, poured some vodka in the spoon, dissolved that blotter acid as best I could, and shot the LSD mixed with vodka. It was the first time I ever peaked on acid in one second.
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Re: IV LSD? [Re: deCypher]
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One time while I was at the Outpost, I had been shooting coke and speed, and I ran out of everything. There comes a point when you want to keep shooting something, even if you’re high, just to get a new rush. Someone had given me a hit of acid and I had a bottle of vodka, so I took the acid, put it in a spoon, poured some vodka in the spoon, dissolved that blotter acid as best I could, and shot the LSD mixed with vodka. It was the first time I ever peaked on acid in one second.
---Anthony Kiedis, lead singer of the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Damn. That guy used to lead a fucked up life. I've heard stories of his before, good find with that.
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Re: IV LSD? [Re: deCypher]
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One time while I was at the Outpost, I had been shooting coke and speed, and I ran out of everything. There comes a point when you want to keep shooting something, even if you’re high, just to get a new rush. Someone had given me a hit of acid and I had a bottle of vodka, so I took the acid, put it in a spoon, poured some vodka in the spoon, dissolved that blotter acid as best I could, and shot the LSD mixed with vodka. It was the first time I ever peaked on acid in one second.
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Re: IV LSD? [Re: Platinum]
#8796539 - 08/19/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Think about getting shot with a needle which contained 1mg of LSD and 50mg of DMT.
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^I'd hit it.
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I would definitely try that, as well. I'd imagine having LSD slap it's peak in your face right off the bat would be pretty intense, and trippy...
...Especially since you'd be stuck there for equally as long...8-12 hours.
I know that Aldous Huxley took 200-300mcg of LSD intramuscularly right before he died...but then again it would still take a few minutes to peak. An IV should only take 4-6 seconds...
I think it might be too intense for me, but I'd just have to "go with the flow" without being eased into the experience. It certainly would give a more meaningful trip, I would imagine.
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tyler_0_durden said: I would definitely try that, as well. I'd imagine having LSD slap it's peak in your face right off the bat would be pretty intense, and trippy...
...Especially since you'd be stuck there for equally as long...8-12 hours.
I know that Aldous Huxley took 200-300mcg of LSD intramuscularly right before he died...but then again it would still take a few minutes to peak. An IV should only take 4-6 seconds...
I think it might be too intense for me, but I'd just have to "go with the flow" without being eased into the experience. It certainly would give a more meaningful trip, I would imagine.
As I have said repeatedly, IVing LSD doe not produce an instant peak, it produces an instant come up. A large portion of LSD's effects come from the cascade reaction it causes. That cascade reaction takes time. With IV LSD, onset is instant, everything else pretty much follows the standard timeline of an acid trip.
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tyler_0_durden said: I would definitely try that, as well. I'd imagine having LSD slap it's peak in your face right off the bat would be pretty intense, and trippy...
...Especially since you'd be stuck there for equally as long...8-12 hours.
I know that Aldous Huxley took 200-300mcg of LSD intramuscularly right before he died...but then again it would still take a few minutes to peak. An IV should only take 4-6 seconds...
I think it might be too intense for me, but I'd just have to "go with the flow" without being eased into the experience. It certainly would give a more meaningful trip, I would imagine.
As I have said repeatedly, IVing LSD doe not produce an instant peak, it produces an instant come up. A large portion of LSD's effects come from the cascade reaction it causes. That cascade reaction takes time. With IV LSD, onset is instant, everything else pretty much follows the standard timeline of an acid trip.
Have you personally tried it? I don't see how it wouldn't speed it up a lot. If it's injected into your bloodstream, and LSD can cross the blood-brain barrier (which it can), then the come-up is non-existant and the peak should occur within a few minutes. You have LSD sent directly to your brain, basically.
Between the come-up and the peak is when LSD starts activating the HT2A receptors in your brain. At the peak, you have the highest concentration of LSD attached to those receptors. If the highest concentration of LSD reaches your brain right off the bat (from needle into vein, blood recirculates, brings all the LSD to your brain)....damn straight would you peak faster. You would already have all that LSD available to attach to the HT2A receptors, which would fire upon contact with the LSD, producing the "trip".
So...I'd imagine your vision would start to move, probably after about 10 seconds or so, and you would peak about 10-15 minutes in...
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I know people who have done it who report that it only causes instant onset. The rest of the trip is pretty much the same. They're not around atm, but I can drag them over here when they're around if you absolutely must have a first hand report.
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tyler_0_durden said: I would definitely try that, as well. I'd imagine having LSD slap it's peak in your face right off the bat would be pretty intense, and trippy...
...Especially since you'd be stuck there for equally as long...8-12 hours.
I know that Aldous Huxley took 200-300mcg of LSD intramuscularly right before he died...but then again it would still take a few minutes to peak. An IV should only take 4-6 seconds...
I think it might be too intense for me, but I'd just have to "go with the flow" without being eased into the experience. It certainly would give a more meaningful trip, I would imagine.
As I have said repeatedly, IVing LSD doe not produce an instant peak, it produces an instant come up. A large portion of LSD's effects come from the cascade reaction it causes. That cascade reaction takes time. With IV LSD, onset is instant, everything else pretty much follows the standard timeline of an acid trip.
Between the come-up and the peak is when LSD starts activating the HT2A receptors in your brain. At the peak, you have the highest concentration of LSD attached to those receptors.
I actually don't think that's true. The half life of LSD is 3 hours. For me, that's right around the peak. So by the peak, half of the LSD is already out of your body.
I think LSDreamer has it right when he says there is a cascade effect in your brain.
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First of all, not sure if I went through the right process to reply to this. After reading through a few of the forums on here about shooting up lsd and coming up with not much information, I decided to just fucking do it already. I shot up two hits diluted in 40 ml of water (i think that's the right amount of water, for a 1cc needle it said 40 somethings.) this is strong acid. reportedly about 200 ug per drop, so i took supposedly ~400 ug about ten minutes ago. The onset is about half an hour sped up from an oral administration. I did it about ten minutes ago and I already have a pronounced body high and some loose visuals. Plus I'm scatterbrained when it comes to math and units of measurement as you may have noticed. Bottom line, way faster onset. I feel like I fastforwarded the come up and am already in the midst of the trip. Its pretty awesome. If you already have some experience with IV drug use, like I do, you shouldn't have any negative thoughts associated with needles or the like. You just pretty much treat it the same as heroin, except I didn't heat it up at all. I used a pea sized cotton as an afterthought because there were some things floating in the liquid that I didn't want to clog my veins and kill me, but pretty much if the liquid's clear you're in the clear. I should end this now. It feels like the peak is approaching a lot faster than I anticipated. Sorry if I'm not being descriptive enough, as I mentioned I'm high right now, and this is only ten minutes in. I am a very experienced user of lsd so this i would not recommend for beginners. this is the shit the dealers and the like should try. lol. mwahahahahahaha. wow. i'm done....
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RedRainDrop said: it seems like a horrid idea.... a psychedelic experience induced by a needle.... i would trip bad for sure....
Dunno.. a lotta people shoot ketamine and have had profound/positive experiences from it.
It seems like it would be the most intense way to trip for sure. The onset would be practically immediate too, rather than the "coming up" like on other psychedelics...
Still though. Don't think I could inject myself with anything..
you think banging LSD would be more intense then Banging DMT?
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I actually have some DMT too, and I think I might give that a shot the IV way tomorrow considering how amazing this whole IV lsd thing has been so far. right now, i'm roughly half an hour in and I am well within the throes of the trip. i feel great, as always with lsd, and much faster than when i took the same amount orally a few days ago. i even had a pretty big meal right before this, which has had no effect in even delaying the trip at all. I keep reading people saying that the only reason to do this is to show how big your dick is, well, i have a normal sized dick and i think shooting up acid is one of the coolestg experiences of my normal-dicked life. if you know what youre doing shooting up in the first place, you should not even fucking hesitate to shoot some lsd. huxley had it right. this is the way to go right here. i have to type everything like three times because my fingers are all clumsy. I hope somebody reads this and gets some good information. Yes it can be done, and if you know what you're doing, yes you should totally try this.
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the come up is definitely pretty fast although i wouldn't say instant, and as for the peak... i kind of feel like this could be it right now or i could have already been through it like an hour ago. either way, i guess the peak is a little more sped up but it kind of feels less pronounced if that makes sense, like, instead of there being distinct parts to the trip, it kind of got this kick start right in the beginning and the rest has just been kind of a mesh of near peak type shit... but dude, i'm high as fuck right now. not sure if i'm even capable of communicating with the sober world. i feel like i'm miles above the earth trying to relay some info back to houston. lol. what am i talking about? shit... sorry for the confusion. trying to update in the midst of first hand experience is pretty difficult.
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okay, just to try to clarify that last post... i definitiely peaked sooner. within the first hour and a half on acid that usually takes me at least three hours to peak from. it's not instant. nothing instant about it. you probably end up saving yourself like half an hour of the come up time that is extra bonus awesome acid trip time. so far, kind of feels like it's wearing off sooner than i thought it would. still super high, don't get me wrong, but i think i could go to sleep right now if i laid there for like an hour with my eyes closed. i think it's something to try if you've done lots of acid before. it's just fucking with familiar ground, but there also, i keep meaning to say this, THERE IS A RUSH to it. the come up is pretty quick and for the first hour or so i was like, rolling on the floor hugging myself. it was bliss.
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PsilocybinMike said: Anyone here ever actually IV'd some LSD? I used to post @ the BlueLight forum (still do from time to time) and I remember there being a few people who had mainlined acid before.
That would be sooo intense I bet. But I Still don't think I could ever do it...
I don't think I could ever shoot any drug. I fucking hate needles.
IMO, and this gets a little faithy, you "hate" needles to save your life. i never knew a shooter that died from an injection OD. never. people that get skitish, even a little, about needles are being told by their sub-concious that they can't handle the restrictions. when shooting "ONE MEANS ONE" no fuckking around AT ALL EVER. most drunks and stoners work on a compleatly different mindset built on a "fuck it" attitude to some degree. shooting dope is the compleate oppiset of that. look at the fuckking messes drunks and stoners get into just fooling with pills. getting stoned is sloppy and fun and you can pretty much gobble up what all you friggin want in an evening due to the delivery time needed to do the ingesting. mainlining on the other hand is EXTREAMLY PRECISE and there is no "one more for the road" shit tolorated, AT ALL. if you hate needles that is your brain telling you you wont be able to manage not killing it if you shoot. you might like it too much. you might not give a shit enough to survive. but FOR THE LOVE OF SHROOMS, LISTEN TO YOURSELF! don't fuck with it.
and if you can cook, crank/coke/aliceD= COLOR RUSH (don't fucking bother holding on)
don't do it people
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deadvirgo said: the suns coming up. oh shit.
4 hits, you do know what you are doing! sweet ride man. your dick is awsome! aparently have the balls to drive it too!
groovy
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why thank you. i didn't realize until now that my balls drive my dick, but you're right. i found my balls' drivers license this morning.
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I have I.V.'d LSD and I've said it in many other threads, it does nothing except drop the time it takes for the LSD to start coming up. No rush, or anything like that, it still takes an hour or so for the trip to fully come on, the only difference is that it doesn't take a half hour to start coming up, who really doesn't have a half hour to start tripping? Damn. Anyway, just eat your L.
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the free thinker said: Think about getting shot with a needle which contained 1mg of LSD and 50mg of DMT.
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Me too! Hehe.
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LSDreamer said: I know people who have done it who report that it only causes instant onset. The rest of the trip is pretty much the same. They're not around atm, but I can drag them over here when they're around if you absolutely must have a first hand report.
I'm here, I'm here. Don't know if you were talking about me though.
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tyler_0_durden said: I would definitely try that, as well. I'd imagine having LSD slap it's peak in your face right off the bat would be pretty intense, and trippy...
...Especially since you'd be stuck there for equally as long...8-12 hours.
I know that Aldous Huxley took 200-300mcg of LSD intramuscularly right before he died...but then again it would still take a few minutes to peak. An IV should only take 4-6 seconds...
I think it might be too intense for me, but I'd just have to "go with the flow" without being eased into the experience. It certainly would give a more meaningful trip, I would imagine.
As I have said repeatedly, IVing LSD doe not produce an instant peak, it produces an instant come up. A large portion of LSD's effects come from the cascade reaction it causes. That cascade reaction takes time. With IV LSD, onset is instant, everything else pretty much follows the standard timeline of an acid trip.
Have you personally tried it? I don't see how it wouldn't speed it up a lot. If it's injected into your bloodstream, and LSD can cross the blood-brain barrier (which it can), then the come-up is non-existant and the peak should occur within a few minutes. You have LSD sent directly to your brain, basically.
Between the come-up and the peak is when LSD starts activating the HT2A receptors in your brain. At the peak, you have the highest concentration of LSD attached to those receptors. If the highest concentration of LSD reaches your brain right off the bat (from needle into vein, blood recirculates, brings all the LSD to your brain)....damn straight would you peak faster. You would already have all that LSD available to attach to the HT2A receptors, which would fire upon contact with the LSD, producing the "trip".
So...I'd imagine your vision would start to move, probably after about 10 seconds or so, and you would peak about 10-15 minutes in...
You can think what you want but you won't peak any faster, unless you consider the onset being shortened making the peak come sooner which is bullshit. Like Dreamer said and I've said, the onset is shortened to where you start coming up within minutes but you wont peak for at least an hour or so, just like you would if you would have eaten the L and waited the half hour for it to start up and you would have waited another hour to peak.
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If you have a phobia of or even a stigma about needles, don't do it.
But I have no qualms with dosing via IV, and would definitely try this given an opportunity. I've considered dissolving a couple tabs in ethanol and injecting that, until I realized how unpredictable and dangerous that could be ;p
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astronaut said: If you have a phobia of or even a stigma about needles, don't do it.
But I have no qualms with dosing via IV, and would definitely try this given an opportunity. I've considered dissolving a couple tabs in ethanol and injecting that, until I realized how unpredictable and dangerous that could be ;p
Did you not read anything anyone has written hear? It's absolutely pointless to I.V. LSD unless you can't wait the 30 minutes it takes to start coming on, in which case you have no patience and shouldn't be taking LSD in the first place. I tried it because I had no idea if it would cause a rush or not, this was about 4 years ago, and I discovered that it changed nothing but the onset time, as others have said. Besides that it is the same as eating it, and why would you want to poke holes in yourself for something that changes absolutely nothing about the trip, doesn't make it stronger either as it's such small amounts ingested anyway that bio-availability doesn't really come into play, not completely sure of this but it's the same reason that 200mcg taken by a 100lb girl will be the same taken by a 350lb man, not saying qualitatively but quantitatively.
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Did you not read anything anyone has written hear?
No sir, I had not, and as of now still have not
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It's absolutely pointless to I.V. LSD unless you can't wait the 30 minutes it takes to start coming on
I think there's something subjectively different for the entirety of the trip when the comeup is fast, so exploring that would be a reason for me in and of itself
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in which case you have no patience and shouldn't be taking LSD in the first place.
very judgmental.
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Besides that it is the same as eating it, and why would you want to poke holes in yourself for something that changes absolutely nothing about the trip,
Like I said, I have no qualms about IV / IM routes. Is there something inherently wrong about poking holes in oneself, provided that you have properly sterilized the site and the instrument? I don't think there is.
To reiterate, if I had the opportunity to try this (eg, reliably clean liquid), I would. Apparently you felt the same way before learning some things for yourself.
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usefulidiot13 said: i definitely dont think so.
id never shoot it up with stuff i had off the street either. so i highly doubt i will ever shoot LSD.
ketamine though, that would be pretty awesome..
Most people don't like IV ketamine. IM on the other hand is supposed to be great. I'm going to have the opportunity in a month or so to IV DMT. I'm looking forward to that.
OOOOH!
Have you done deemster before?
What opportunity allows this for you?
Write a trip report!
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usefulidiot13 said: i definitely dont think so.
id never shoot it up with stuff i had off the street either. so i highly doubt i will ever shoot LSD.
ketamine though, that would be pretty awesome..
Most people don't like IV ketamine. IM on the other hand is supposed to be great. I'm going to have the opportunity in a month or so to IV DMT. I'm looking forward to that.
OOOOH!
Have you done deemster before?
What opportunity allows this for you?
Write a trip report!
It never happened and I don't remember why it might have. That was almost a year and a half ago. I've done DMT a couple times, but never broke through.
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But I have no qualms with dosing via IV, and would definitely try this given an opportunity. I've considered dissolving a couple tabs in ethanol and injecting that, until I realized how unpredictable and dangerous that could be ;p
Did you not read anything anyone has written hear? It's absolutely pointless to I.V. LSD unless you can't wait the 30 minutes it takes to start coming on, in which case you have no patience and shouldn't be taking LSD in the first place. I tried it because I had no idea if it would cause a rush or not, this was about 4 years ago, and I discovered that it changed nothing but the onset time, as others have said. Besides that it is the same as eating it, and why would you want to poke holes in yourself for something that changes absolutely nothing about the trip, doesn't make it stronger either as it's such small amounts ingested anyway that bio-availability doesn't really come into play, not completely sure of this but it's the same reason that 200mcg taken by a 100lb girl will be the same taken by a 350lb man, not saying qualitatively but quantitatively.
http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?A=ShowDoc1&ID=2224 According to that peak effects are felt within 30 minutes, and the onset is immediate.
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Re: IV LSD? [Re: fapjack]
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But I have no qualms with dosing via IV, and would definitely try this given an opportunity. I've considered dissolving a couple tabs in ethanol and injecting that, until I realized how unpredictable and dangerous that could be ;p
Did you not read anything anyone has written hear? It's absolutely pointless to I.V. LSD unless you can't wait the 30 minutes it takes to start coming on, in which case you have no patience and shouldn't be taking LSD in the first place. I tried it because I had no idea if it would cause a rush or not, this was about 4 years ago, and I discovered that it changed nothing but the onset time, as others have said. Besides that it is the same as eating it, and why would you want to poke holes in yourself for something that changes absolutely nothing about the trip, doesn't make it stronger either as it's such small amounts ingested anyway that bio-availability doesn't really come into play, not completely sure of this but it's the same reason that 200mcg taken by a 100lb girl will be the same taken by a 350lb man, not saying qualitatively but quantitatively.
http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?A=ShowDoc1&ID=2224 According to that peak effects are felt within 30 minutes, and the onset is immediate.
I've said onset is immediate, that doesn't mean anything but the effects start building immediately instead of taking a half hour to start feeling anything, but I didn't peak until at least 45 minutes, probably closer to an hour though, I'm just giving you my personal experience plus I've known two others who have done the same and have not experience any quicker peak than they would eating it, just quicker onset.
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I have no experience, only way a needle ever touches my arm is if I stop thinking about tomorrow and start thinking about right now with some smack.
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Did you not read anything anyone has written hear?
No sir, I had not, and as of now still have not
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It's absolutely pointless to I.V. LSD unless you can't wait the 30 minutes it takes to start coming on
I think there's something subjectively different for the entirety of the trip when the comeup is fast, so exploring that would be a reason for me in and of itself
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in which case you have no patience and shouldn't be taking LSD in the first place.
very judgmental.
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Besides that it is the same as eating it, and why would you want to poke holes in yourself for something that changes absolutely nothing about the trip,
Like I said, I have no qualms about IV / IM routes. Is there something inherently wrong about poking holes in oneself, provided that you have properly sterilized the site and the instrument? I don't think there is.
To reiterate, if I had the opportunity to try this (eg, reliably clean liquid), I would. Apparently you felt the same way before learning some things for yourself.
Why don't you read some of the thread so you understand what I'm saying?
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I for one wouldn't mainline LSD, If its drops go for the cube or the eyes, and if its blotter when then enjoy like always
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Yes it was odd, my first time doing LSD i was told to do this.
i now know that it is pretty dangerous, but i was what? 15?
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I thought perhaps it would be a good idea for me to put at the end of this thread, the simple explanation of why IV LSD won't cause an instant peak. I'll start by saying that when used sublingually, LSD tends to take around half an hour for it to be absorbed into the bloodstream. Considering that an LSD dose is so small, when it starts to absorb it will do so rapidly. This is when the come up starts. All the LSD is in your blood at this point. When used IV, the only thing that's been changed is you haven't had to wait for the LSD to be absorbed into the bloodstream, it's been pushed straight in. As before, this is when the come up begins. There would be incredibly little (if any) difference in the time it takes to reach the peak, because at this point it's become exactly the same process as using sublingually. That should explain it in terms anyone can understand, I hope. This is the main reason I signed up (normally I just use this site for information every so often, as in this case), but I'll stick around and try help out some more. It's mushroom season over here in about three months anyway.
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Re: IV LSD? [Re: LSD420]
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Did you even read this thread. You opened up a year old thread, and said the same thing that I said many times in this thread. Pretty pointless first post if you ask me. Who's askin' though.
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Re: IV LSD? [Re: waves]
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mix it with morphine if your not a bitch
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Dr.Myco87 said: Did you even read this thread. You opened up a year old thread, and said the same thing that I said many times in this thread. Pretty pointless first post if you ask me. Who's askin' though.
Yeah I read the whole thread, and your explanation missed out vital points. For a start you never explained why once the LSD enters the bloodstream, the process is the same for any route of administration. Nor did you explain anything about the size of an average LSD dose meaning it takes next to no time once absorbtion starts to be complete, which is obviously significant considering what has been asked. I opened a year old thread because I was after this information, I got it (from someone who already explained it before you may I add) and I can quite easily see not everyone understood. If I arrived at such an old thread looking for this information, who's to say it won't happen again? That's why I said I was putting it into simpler terms. Perhaps you are the one who should read the thread?
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a2theDawG said: mix it with morphine if you're not a bitch
....try to keep it above a 4th grade level, if your grammar and intellect will allow. That kind of statement is against the site rules.
Also, see how your and you're are two different things?
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If IVing LSD causes an instant come up, what does IMing it do?
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