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Invisiblebandog
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Reluctant Virgin ...
    #8790081 - 08/18/08 11:35 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

If anyone has ever dealt with this strain before, please let me
know whether or not the conditions in which this tub is sitting
right now can be tweaked to encourage fruiting.



I noc'd up 3 pint jars of WBS with a syringe of U.S. Virgin Island
strain, on June 13th.
It took 7 full weeks for only 1 of the pints to colonize - at that point,
the remaining 2 jars showed no sign of colonization whatsoever.
I spawned the colonized pint to coir/verm/coffe grounds/worm poo, in a
small tub. Within a couple days, it was ready for fruiting conditions.



I got lazy, and didn't provide FAE with any reasonable amount of
frequency. Last week, it finally overlayed.
I scraped the surface, and applied a thin layer of coir/verm casing,
and placed it back into spawning mode. Two days later, the mycelium
was running rampant, and I quickly gave it light, and started fanning.
It's mid-summer here, and I've placed the tub in an upstairs room, so
that I'll remember to fan it sufficiently ... so the dropping temperature
part of the fruiting plan isn't great (it had previously been placed
in a basement storage room, so that the temperature drop could be
achieved).

today:


Suggestions as to how to convince this guy to fruit?
I don't think I'll bother scraping and casing again, if it doesn't
work this time ... terrible waste of a nice tub of mycelium :frown:
The remaining 2 pints are now fully colonized and ready to spawn ... but
I don't want to go through the trouble of doing so, if I won't be able
to make the tubs fruit ... HELP!


Edited by bandog (08/18/08 12:38 PM)


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: bandog]
    #8790097 - 08/18/08 11:40 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

what is the humidity at?

how long do you have the light on it?

what is the temp. in the tub?

if none of these is the answer and you cant get any fruits, istead of wasting the myc. either put some outside in the shade or do an extraction of the psilocybin

otherwise i dont know what to say but good luck
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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: stewy1412]
    #8790109 - 08/18/08 11:45 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

dude your tub is fine.wtf are you talking about, give that few days and you will have pins- that thing has to be real small. what can you make a monotub out of for a pint jar?


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: stewy1412]
    #8790114 - 08/18/08 11:47 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

what do you mean it overlayed? You never said that you put a casing layer on it in the first place, and if you didnt, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to overlay..

and you can fruit that without a casing as well.. I wouldnt do it, but you could..

sooo.. the first picture was just you substrate, with NO casing layer.. so when you said overlayed, it wasnt overlayed, it was done colonizing..

IF the 2nd pic is after you put the casing on, then its 100% overlayed..

THAT is a PERFECT example for why you do not use coir in a casing layer.. it overlays WAY to easy..

soooo.. put a casing layer of either 50/50 verm/PEAT MOSS or 100$ vermiculite.. you basically didnt case it.. you just added more substrate... so case it right, and strart fruiting.. you are good, but your casing tek needs a little tweaking..


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8790119 - 08/18/08 11:48 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

I don't think I'll bother scraping and casing again, if it doesn't
work this time




you just need to case it right.. that is all.. you can fruit it just like it is.. no problem, but put a correct casing layer on there, leave it dark with no fae for a few days so it will run through the casing layer, then fruit..


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: stewy1412]
    #8790136 - 08/18/08 11:52 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I don't have a hygrometer, so I don't know the exact humidity level
inside the box - but there are streams of condensation covering all
four sides and the lid at all times.
The temperature in the room where the box sits, is at just below 80
degrees.
The tub is sitting in low, ambient, natural lighting during daylight
hours ... a small amount of ambient artificial lighting during the
evening.


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: bandog]
    #8790141 - 08/18/08 11:54 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

I don't have a hygrometer, so I don't know the exact humidity level
inside the box - but there are streams of condensation covering all
four sides and the lid at all times.
The temperature in the room where the box sits, is at just below 80
degrees.
The tub is sitting in low, ambient, natural lighting during daylight
hours ... a small amount of ambient artificial lighting during the
evening.




None of that matters right now.. if you want to case it, then do it right.. lol.. did you read my post? lol


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: bandog]
    #8790155 - 08/18/08 11:58 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

so when you said overlayed, it wasnt overlayed, it was done colonizing..



I hear ya ... and I know what the pros say re. non-cased substrate
not overlayeing ... but it was overlayed ... no
doubt about it!
The mycelium was solid, and thick, covering the entire surface of the
substrate ... and the fork tines would NOT go through it ... I had
to forcefully gouge the side of the fork through the mycelium.

So ... no ... it was not cased the first time around, and yes ... I
realize that coir is not a good casing material, but it's what I had
available (financially-challenged right now, so I must make do with
what I have on hand).
On the other hand ... the second photo is not overlay ... far from it.


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: bandog]
    #8790163 - 08/18/08 12:01 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

you made a monotub in witha pint jar ? how thick is your substrate ? and what are you doing for fAE


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Let it roll!  Just as high as the
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rabbit bites its own head off, I
want you to  THROW THAT FUCKING
RADIO INTO THE TUB WITH ME!
    Not me.  It would blast you through
the wall stone dead in ten
seconds and they'd make me explain
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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: grod31]
    #8790164 - 08/18/08 12:01 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

dude your tub is fine.wtf are you talking about, give that few days and you will have pins- that thing has to be real small. what can you make a monotub out of for a pint jar?



Dude ... I know the tub is fine ... and I'd like to keep it that way.
I have not posted a photo of the overlay ... sorry if that confused you :wink:

This is not a monotub - it's a bulk tub.
And ya ... I spawned one half pint jar to this tub ... it colonized
every bit as quickly as when I've used three to four jars in the same
tub ... go figure


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: grod31]
    #8790173 - 08/18/08 12:05 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

you made a monotub in witha pint jar ? how thick is your substrate ? and what are you doing for fAE



This is not a monotub ... it's a bulk tub.
The substrate was originally 1.5 to 2 inches deep.
Like I said in the original post ... I did NOT provide anywhere near
enough FAE ... which was done by fanning with the lid of the tub.


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: bandog]
    #8790177 - 08/18/08 12:06 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

but it was overlayed ... no
doubt about it!




Quote:


So ... no ... it was not cased the first time around




this right here tells me you have no idea what overlay is.. if there is no casing, then how could the casing be overlayed? It cannot be.. you were fine before you threw more coir on it.. there was no issue.. and you can fruit it just they way it is.. you do NOT need a casing layer, which you dont have right now anyway, because the coir/verm is so overlayed NOW, that its just a part of the substrate..

so yeah.. it WAS NOT overlayed, because you had no casing to overlay... yes, coir sucks for casing, and you basically just added more substrate.. either case it, or start fruiting it..

just trying to help, because you seemed a bit confused on what a casing actually is, and what overlay is..


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8790181 - 08/18/08 12:07 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Like I said in the original post ... I did NOT provide anywhere near
enough FAE ... which was done by fanning with the lid of the tub.




it doesnt matter.. you can start fruiting it right now.. no problems.. a casing layer ( a real one) will get you a phatter pin set, which will give you phatter flushes..


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: bandog]
    #8790224 - 08/18/08 12:18 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

bandog said:
The substrate was originally 1.5 to 2 inches deep.



i would recommend a 3-4 inch substrate for cubes. that has always given me the best fruits.


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Back the tape up.  I need it again!
Let it roll!  Just as high as the
fucker can go!  And when it comes
to that fantastic note where the
rabbit bites its own head off, I
want you to  THROW THAT FUCKING
RADIO INTO THE TUB WITH ME!
    Not me.  It would blast you through
the wall stone dead in ten
seconds and they'd make me explain
VVVVV Free Myco Thread


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Invisiblebandog
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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: bandog]
    #8790244 - 08/18/08 12:23 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

None of that matters right now.. if you want to case it, then do it right.. lol.. did you read my post? lol



Um ... I was responding to stewy's questions ...

I don't necessarily WANT to case at all ... I just want the tub
to fruit before it overlays again.
And ... although coir is not optimal ... MANY cultivators use it
with great results, so that isn't going to make or break this
cultivation.


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: bandog]
    #8790269 - 08/18/08 12:29 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

just trying to help, because you seemed a bit confused on what a casing actually is, and what overlay is



I'm not confused concerning these two topics at all.
I am wondering though, how you became so sure that there was no
overlay without seeing the tub at that point.
At any rate ... I definitely know overlay when I see it, despite the
fact that there was no casing at first.
And I'm as knowledgeable about casing as you are ... at least :wink:


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: bandog]
    #8790271 - 08/18/08 12:30 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

although coir is not optimal ... MANY cultivators use it
with great results,




you just said it was overlayed, so for you, it doesnt give great results.. why do you think everyone uses peat?

Quote:

I just want the tub
to fruit before it overlays again.




it doesnt matter if your coir "casing" overlays right now, because it will just become part of your sub...

Quote:

I don't necessarily WANT to case at all




if you dont want to case, then dont, and you wont have overlay.. lol

I was just trying to help.. you do not understand casings or overlay, and I was trying to make it easier on you..

and if you are not "casing", then just fruit it now.. it will be fine..

No offense, but you dont have to listen to me and you need to read more.. there are some things you need cleared up, and since you shut your ears to help, then it makes it hard to help you..

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3290155#3290155

read ^^^^ that... it will help clear up your idea of a casing and overlay..

hope this helped..


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: grod31]
    #8790278 - 08/18/08 12:32 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

grod31 said:

i would recommend a 3-4 inch substrate for cubes. that has always given me the best fruits.




Thanks, grod
I've always aimed for 2 inches with great results ... but that's a moot
point now, non?


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8790281 - 08/18/08 12:33 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

At any rate ... I definitely know overlay when I see it, despite the
fact that there was no casing at first.
And I'm as knowledgeable about casing as you are




No.. you are not.. you JUST SAID that you had overlay, and there was NO casing... YOU CANNOT OVERLAY A SUBSTRATE, AND IF THERE WAS NO CASING, THERE WAS NO OVERLAY...

you DO NOT know about overlay.. you just proved it in you statement.. you CANNOT HAVE OVERLAY IF THERE IS NO CASING.. PERIOD..

Dont take my word for it.. anyone else here will tell you the same.. no casing = impossible to overlay

overlay happens to A CASING LAYER ONLY..


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Re: Reluctant Virgin ... [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8790291 - 08/18/08 12:35 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

your 1st pic showed it without casing.. you said so yourself.. then the 2nd pics was AFTER you added the coir/verm "casing", and that shows an overlayed casing layer.. you said all these things in your post.. read your own typing..


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