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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Ego Death]
#8806588 - 08/21/08 04:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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If we are gonna use scientific method then theres only 2 valid theories.
1. Man created these machines 2. Man did not create these machines
We cannot deny the existence of the craft when theres cases such as the Belgium mass sighting. Separate ground radar lock ons from several different radar stations. 100's of photographs and video recordings. F-16 fighter jets scrambled and also getting radar lock-ons. These so many cases like these theres no question whether or not the craft are real.
Fact is - if you throughly study the phenomena, its only logical to say that the evidence indicates they are more likely ET.
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Ego Death]
#8806615 - 08/21/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, I'm not familiar with those specific cases, but being the devil's advocate here: those things you mentioned simply indicate a craft was present, not that it was ET.
The stealth bomber looks like an alien craft too if you don't know what it is.
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Ego Death]
#8806636 - 08/21/08 04:44 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Skepticism is a belief system in which it's adherents are more firm in their belief than religious fundamentalists.
Their belief is so fuerte that they will claim that it is not belief. They therefore are more impressive than the Roman Catholics and the rare Muslim Jihadists.
Skepticism = the new religion for intellectuals.
Behold skeptics! Gigantic pulsating space donuts! Will you contend and rationalize (ration lies) this?
Damn it! I want some green tea with my space donuts and they had best not be fried in animal fat! (I am vegetarian)
Edited by Mr.Al (08/21/08 04:54 PM)
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8806701 - 08/21/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Skepticism isn't new.
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: zouden]
#8806740 - 08/21/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I suppose that there is nothing new under B.O.B.
You are correct about that, o.k.
Skepticism: Just because it's kinky and people will assume you're smart without having to investigate anything!
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Ego Death]
#8806793 - 08/21/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why assume an alien would leave a DNA trace for you to find?
Because if we're to believe the abductees, the 'grays' are remarkably like us. They have a head, two eyes, two arms with one joint, two legs with one joint, a torso, a neck, a mouth, they are about our size, they walk upright, and so on. Given all those similarities, it stands to reason that they have other similarities to terrestrial life. Like the existence of microbes (with or without DNA) in their environment. Actually, a germ without DNA would conclusively prove ET visitation. Just one single germ is all it would take.
The leap of faith is that visiting aliens are so much like us, but somehow they don't shed skin particles (or any body particles of any kind) that might rub off on an abductee's clothing or body or get trapped in their nose hair. Or that they live in a totally microbe-free environment, or that they do not use fibers of any kind.
but giving oneself radiation poisoning? Thats going to far and is not likely.
How so? People have done far weirder things for money.
Theres also reports from corroborating independent witnesses.
I know. Thousands and thousands of them. But somehow none ever comes back with hard, physical evidence. Only stories.
If we are gonna use scientific method then theres only 2 valid theories.
1. Man created these machines 2. Man did not create these machines
BZZT! Excluded Middle logical fallacy:
3. These things are not machines. Every month, when Venus is bright in the morning or evening sky, police departments get reports of UFOs. It's like clockwork.
4. These things are blimps, 5. birds, 6. weather balloons, 7. hoaxes, 8. etc.
Study the logical fallacies. It's because of them and the flawed thinking they represent that we have a drug war. It's because of them that we have people in this country who are against abortion and in favor of killing kids in Iraq. And it's because of them that people believe in Bigfoot, telepathy, and ET even though the evidence for those things is equivalent to the evidence for the Tooth Fairy.
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Diploid]
#8806889 - 08/21/08 05:32 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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The leap of faith is that they're so much like us, but somehow they don't shed skin that might rub off on an abductees clothing or body or get trapped in their nose hair, or that they live in a totally microbe-free environment, or that they do not use fibers of any kind...
You missed the point. You have to make assumptions to say that. The same as I have to make assumptions for my theories of likeliness.
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People have done far weirder things for money
I knew that was coming but I don't thinks its likely. You wouldn't need to give yourself radiation poisoning to sell a abduction book. Why risk not being able to spend the money at all if you kill yourself.
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somehow none ever comes back with hard, physical evidence.
We will have to remind abductees to use there anti-abduction guns so they can kill an alien and bring it back for testing.
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Venus
I shall have to wite a jounal on how venus landed behind my friends house. Did you know venus is actually a floating saucer with multicoloured lights on the bottom that appears to be 40 foot wide and lands on earth to confuse people?
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Tooth Fairy
Shit I forgot about the time the military chased the tooth fairy because she was getting tracked on multiple radar stations and videoed by hundreds of people.
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Diploid]
#8806899 - 08/21/08 05:33 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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What about you friend?
Do you prefer coffee with your space donuts???
I am having some lovely organic Chinese green tea.
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Ego Death]
#8807054 - 08/21/08 06:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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You have to make assumptions to say that.
These creatures have never been demonstrated to exist. EVERYTHING said about them is an assumption. What you're missing is the body of knowledge from which the assumptions are made.
ET proponents assume a light in the sky is ET and they make that assumption by pulling it out of thin air.
Critical thinkers assume a light in the sky is Venus, or a blimp, or a weather balloon, but they make that assumption based on 100 years of other sightings of lights in the sky that have been explained as Venus, or blimps, or balloons. They also realize that ET sightings and abductions were never reported before the invention of TV and radio shows about alien visitation.
See the difference? One is a pure assumption. The other is an assumption drawn as likely from a large body of knowledge and previous similar cases.
The guy said he experienced these burns as direct result from an apparent exhaust outlet on a landed UFO
You're saying that ET has such astonishing technology as faster-than-light travel, but somehow they drive jelopies that can't contain their exhaust and leak radiation all over the place? That makes no sense to a critical thinker; people who want ET to be real just skip over these and many other contradictions.
[sarcasm snipped]
This is classic. When an ET proponent (or psychic, or telepathy believer, or fanatical religious suicide bomber, or [fill in the blank with your favorite non-critical thinker]) is pinned down by logic, instead of accepting the logic (or showing why it's flawed) they resort to sarcasm and non-responses that contribute nothing to an honest search for the Truth. It's the classic response of someone who wants something to be true vs someone who wants to find the truth, whatever it may be.
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Diploid]
#8807482 - 08/21/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Space Donuts Diploid, or do you think they are bagels? I'm sorry they must be weather balloons...
There are observable phenomenon here that need to be investigated. It is very easy to claim that there is "nothing to see here, move along people".
Now, unless you have me on ignore, I will go make some more green tea for myself, take care of something important ( ) and perhaps I will see your opinion of aforementioned perfectly circular, pulsating, and at least a couple miles in diameter space donuts...
I don't care about my grammar. I will check for your reply and post not again until said reply so no one in particular accuses me of trolling.
Peace.
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8807622 - 08/21/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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There are observable phenomenon here that need to be investigated.
They HAVE been investigated.
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8807677 - 08/21/08 07:47 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mr.Al said: Skepticism is a belief system in which it's adherents are more firm in their belief than religious fundamentalists.
Their belief is so fuerte that they will claim that it is not belief. They therefore are more impressive than the Roman Catholics and the rare Muslim Jihadists.
Skepticism = the new religion for intellectuals.
Behold skeptics! Gigantic pulsating space donuts! Will you contend and rationalize (ration lies) this?
Damn it! I want some green tea with my space donuts and they had best not be fried in animal fat! (I am vegetarian)
Regarding your little space donuts, if you just watch a neighboring video, you'll clearly hear the smart astronauts identifying the 'donuts' as bits of debris floating along with the shuttle, which appeared because they were moving into the sunrise, and the sunlight illuminated them brilliantly. They are point specks, but they have a faint bloom around them because the focus of the camera is not on the specks, but the tether. They are familiar with it; it's nothing to get excited over.
This fucker with the black board is a complete quack and a liar. He wants to do his little 'size' analysis of the dots? Makes himself look smart? He assumes that tether is 12 miles straight, as it appears, but when it broke off, it clearly coiled up, hence, it appeared thick and short, and not 12 miles long. He neglects the NASA dialog where they explain the phenomenon.
You can keep on being a fool and believing whatever you are exposed to, so long as its not the government saying it.
Edited by Minstrel (08/21/08 07:58 PM)
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Diploid]
#8807708 - 08/21/08 07:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Investigated by the U.S. government and their disinformation agents???
What is your view on said space donuts?
There were (in case it did not captivate your interest) some specimens which passed right behind the space tether. Based upon that Mr.Sereda shows that some of them are quite large. The objects in question are quite circular, and move at different velocities and directions. This is clearly uncharacteristic of "space dust". I mean, come on man, these things are freaking huge pulsating space donuts.
I can not claim to KNOW exactly what they are. To paraphrase the late Osho: "Sometimes you have to call a spade a fucking spade."
Thank you for your reply though , I was beginning to think you put me on ignore!
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8807718 - 08/21/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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To me they look very much like the out of focus stars and planets I see in my home telescope. The hole in the center, the fuzzy shade of the circle... even the little cut out parts. My telescope has a small mirror that obstructs the main mirror. When its out of focus I can see this, and it is just like these cut out look like.
There is alot of shit in outer space and it could be any of that. I see no reason to assume they are craft, they look nothing like any craft I have ever seen or conceived. They look like out of focus debris to me.
(They guy talking isnt doing a very good job either, he makes some blatant mistakes of definitions regardless of the idea of his speech)
I assume you take this as conclusive evidence of alien visitation?
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I mean, come on man, these things are freaking huge pulsating space donuts.
They are clearly out of focus, which is why they look big. Next time you have access to a telescope, look for your self. When you put a point source out of focus, it look like a large area.
I dont need any government information to tell me this, its basic first hand experience.
Edited by Qubit (08/21/08 07:57 PM)
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Minstrel]
#8807743 - 08/21/08 07:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I suppose that is why said space dust is passing behind the tether??
The space dust is a couple miles in diameter, is clearly pulsating strangely, and is quite circular.
The space tether is about 80 miles away from the space shuttle. You are "buying" the explanation N.A.S.A. is "selling" to you?
Skepticism is a very fuerte religion...
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8807763 - 08/21/08 08:02 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mr.Al said: I suppose that is why said space dust is passing behind the tether??
The space dust is a couple miles in diameter, is clearly pulsating strangely, and is quite circular.
The space tether is about 80 miles away from the space shuttle. You are "buying" the explanation N.A.S.A. is "selling" to you?
Skepticism is a very fuerte religion...
No, jumping to insane, fanciful conclusions with poor evidence is the mark of a religion. You are the zealot.
I just told you: The moron's size estimate is based on his lie that the tether is straight and perpendicular to the observer (which it wasn't, it was nearly pointed directly away). Any size estimate is VOID on that basis alone. Once again, bloom on out of focus objects is no mystery. The fact that they are all circular supports this hypothesis. When you are dealing with bloom from out of focus subjects, there is no way to tell what is in front of what, anyway.
I don't 'buy' anything. NASA never tried to sell me anything; they have a rational explanation. On the other hand, this Sereda fuck will gladly sell you his wild ideas, and he'll expect you to shell out cash for them.
Don't you think the astronauts would happen to mention HUNDREDS of 2-3 MILE wide glowing discs if they were really there?
Edited by Minstrel (08/21/08 08:24 PM)
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8807772 - 08/21/08 08:04 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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More fuzzy pics that could be anything, and still no hard, physical evidence. 
Humans have been around for 100,000 years, yet somehow ET never showed up in all that time until we invented ET movies. You do the math.
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8807794 - 08/21/08 08:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I suppose it is easier for us barely evolved bipedal monkeys to consider ourselves to be the very pinnacle of intelligent life in this universe.
Skepticism is merely a propping up of our over inflated egos to see ourselves as such.
Really, when you get right down to the very bottom of this issue our human egotism is what prevents us from acknowledging the fact that it is damn near impossible that we are the most intelligent life form in the neighborhood.
I find it hilarious that Ego Death seems fine with the possibility of more intelligent life. I will stop highjacking his thread now as I know this seems too much like talking to religious fundamentalists.
(No offense dudes, but being skeptical is just protection of our egos. We feel insecure about our lack of evolution.)
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8807823 - 08/21/08 08:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I suppose it is easier for us barely evolved bipedal monkeys to consider ourselves to be the very pinnacle of intelligent life in this universe.
No one is saying that we're the only life in the universe. There almost-certainly is other life, but from the available evidence (lack of evidence, actually), it isn't visiting Earth.
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Re: Is it time to classify ET under science instead of paranormal? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8807865 - 08/21/08 08:18 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I like how you just ignored my last post completely. I take that as my points were irrefutable. *pats himself on the back*
Question: Have you ever actually looked through a telescope? Have you ever had to focus one yourself and in the process see an out of focus point object? If not, you should some day. Its great fun, and educational.
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