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Open the fucking debates!! NOW!!!
    #8789578 - 08/18/08 06:33 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

In 1988, the CPD (commission on presidential debates) seized control of the debates from the League of Women Voters, and it has sponsored every presidential debate since.

The CPD is controlled by the Democratic and Republican parties.

The CPD is funded by corporate interests.

It completely excludes other candidates. (recent figures show a majority want them included in the debates)

The CPD allows the Dem and Rep parties to design the debate formats, choose the questions to be asked, and allows the candidates to know what the questions are ahead of time, allowing them to form canned answers, which ruins the whole point of the debate.

Because the two parties choose the issues to be addressed there is an extreme poverty of important issues addressed in these debates. Example, in the 2000 presidential race, here are some figures on the number of times certain words came up in the debates:

  Crime (corporate or white collar) 0
  Prison (s) 0
  WTO 0
  NAFTA 0
  Labor 1
  Free Trade 0
  Gun Rights (or Control) 0
  Prevention (health care) 0
  Drug War 0 
  Death Penalty 9
  Taxes 144
  Social Security 67
  Seniors 64
  Medicare 58
  Drug(s) (prescription) 60


Quote from opendebates.org
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"If the Republican and Democratic candidates wanted to control the debates, they could simply sponsor the debates themselves. They could hold debates in their own living rooms, exclude all third party challengers, employ dreary formats, and ignore difficult issues. Nobody can stop them from exercising that First Amendment right, and the networks would surely broadcast their debates. The press would cover the debates, and many voters would watch them.


So why in the world do the major party candidates use the CPD?


Because if the Republican and Democratic candidates openly hosted their own debates, not only would they have to pay for them, but they would also be held accountable for them. If uninspiring formats were used, it would be the fault of the major party candidates. If a candidate the American people wanted to see was excluded, it would be the fault of the major party candidates. If important issues were ignored, it would be the fault of the major party candidates. Under the auspices of direct party sponsorship, the public would realize that third-party challengers and difficult questions were excluded for political reasons, and major party candidates would likely pay a price on Election Day.

Such transparency would force the major party candidates to reconcile the benefits of third party exclusion and format manipulation with the desire to appear democratic, which, in of itself, would increase the likelihood of third party participation and challenging formats. Frank Donatelli, debate negotiator for Dole, said, "Believe me, politicians are risk averse, the parties are risk averse. The last thing they're gonna want to do is to alienate a substantial segment of the public by being perceived as the person that kept out a legitimate candidate who could be president." The debate over debates would become a unique voter education tool; we would learn to what extent major party candidates value their personal political ambitions over the democratic process. "




  It is time to end this undemocratic, partisan control of how the public gets to hear from the candidates. The CPD deprives voters of an accurate view of the candidates they have to choose from.

The Citizens' Debate Commission has been created to reform our debate format. It is completely non-partisan.

The goals of the Citizens' Debate Commission are as follows:
• Important issues that are currently ignored and/or marginalized will be addressed.
• Candidate manipulation of debate format -- including selection of all questioners -- will end.
• Corporate sponsorship of the presidential debates will end.
• Independent and third party candidates who the American people want to see will be included.
• Democracy and voter education will be the guiding principles of the presidential debates.


Please visit http://www.opendebates.org to learn more about the corruption of what should be one of our most democratic processes - the presidential debates.

Visit this link to sign a petition to open the debates to all candidates http://www.opendebates.org/yourrole/

This is something I care very deeply about and I hope to encourage others to be more concerned with the sorry state of our electoral system. Thanks.


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Edited by Albino_Jesus (08/18/08 03:50 PM)


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Re: Open the fucking debates!! NOW!!! [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #8790773 - 08/18/08 02:23 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the link.

No surprise at the key word count

Quote:



Taxes - 144
Drug (Prescription) - 60






vs.

Quote:



Prevention (health care - 0
Drug War - 0






Ah, the art of misdirection! Thanks for nothing MSM.




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Re: Open the fucking debates!! NOW!!! [Re: numonkei]
    #8791115 - 08/18/08 03:50 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Ah, the art of misdirection!





Yes precisely. They are con-artists through and through.


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Re: Open the fucking debates!! NOW!!! [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #8791185 - 08/18/08 04:06 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

i wish they would open the debates, it would help keep the top two money whores in check!:thumbup:


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Re: Open the fucking debates!! NOW!!! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8797633 - 08/19/08 08:12 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

MAJORITY want open debates!


http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1538


"More than half of likely voters nationwide - 55% - want Republican-turned-Libertarian Bob Barr to participate in presidential debates this fall, while nearly half - 46% - said they think Ralph Nader should be allowed into the on-stage fray, the latest Zogby Interactive polling shows.

Among political independents, 69% said Barr should be at a lectern with Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama, and a majority of Republicans and Democrats agreed. Among Democrats, 52% said they think Barr should participate, while 50% of Republicans agreed"


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Re: Open the fucking debates!! NOW!!! [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #8797658 - 08/19/08 08:17 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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The interactive online survey was conducted Aug. 12-14, 2008, and included 3,339 likely voters nationwide. It carries a margin of error of +/- 1.7 percentage points.
www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1538




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Re: Open the fucking debates!! NOW!!! [Re: Chemy]
    #8797681 - 08/19/08 08:21 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

that margin of error doesn't negate the 55% who want barr in the debate. Besides, if people knew more about the differences these other candidates represent then even more people would want more candidates included in the debates.

Of course I can't prove that but I do know this from talking to lots of people. Even when they don't support the other candidates, when they learn a little about their platforms they agree that the issues need to be addressed and that it would be helpful if they were included in the debates


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Re: Open the fucking debates!! NOW!!! [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #8797696 - 08/19/08 08:25 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I want Barr in the debate, I was posting the info you left out.


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Re: Open the fucking debates!! NOW!!! [Re: Chemy]
    #8797701 - 08/19/08 08:26 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I left a lot of the article out, that's why I linked it.

It looked like you were somehow trying to say the poll was invalid. sorry


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Re: Open the fucking debates!! NOW!!! [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #8797720 - 08/19/08 08:29 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I think its a matter of money, at least that's what his Barr's website seems to indicate.


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Re: Open the fucking debates!! NOW!!! [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #8797732 - 08/19/08 08:33 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Albino_Jesus said:
I left a lot of the article out, that's why I linked it.

It looked like you were somehow trying to say the poll was invalid. sorry



IMO, the date of poll, number of people polled, are important information for anyone to draw a conclusion from the results:shrug:


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Re: Open the fucking debates!! NOW!!! [Re: Chemy]
    #8797742 - 08/19/08 08:35 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Evan said:
I think its a matter of money, at least that's what his Barr's website seems to indicate.




No it's a matter of the debate commission being dictatorially controlled exclusively by the democratic and republican parties! read the first post up at the top dude


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