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 ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! 
#8788401 - 08/17/08 08:54 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I rcently purchased a 941 PC, and upon readin the instructions this can not be used on a flat top range.Sice this is the only type of stve I own, I went out and purchased a single 1000watt burner.After having the PC on this burner for 3 hours it had still not built up enough pressure to sterlize my jars.Now I know this could not be the case with all the fellow shroomery members that use this PC. So my question is what should I use to heat this massive PC, and how long does it take you guys from beginning to end to sterlize on batch of jars? PLease Help
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 Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: unknown28]
#8788458 - 08/17/08 09:04 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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This would be good for your PC.....Click Me.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: unknown28]
#8788515 - 08/17/08 09:15 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hotplates are for flasks, beakers, and other laboratory-type shit. Absolutely not for pressure cooking; hotplates are very underpowered for such a use. Get a "turkey roaster," AKA propane burner. Should be around $50 at any big hardware/box store. These hook up to a normal small grill propane tank, and can be used (with precaution) indoors.
Otherwise you could experimentally try a conductive flat piece of metal (thinking skillet) as a thermal coupler between the stove and the PC.
I wish I had an AA 941  .
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: funkyjunky]
#8788650 - 08/17/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks for the suggestions. I next idea was a turkey fryer, but I didn't know how that would work indoors. And this is definately something I would wanna do indoors! So I guess propane burner under extreme caution it is!
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: funkyjunky]
#8788662 - 08/17/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had no idea this was an issue.
What's a flat top stove is it one where the burner is a semi-plastic pad and not a normal coiled burner?
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: ScavengerType]
#8788739 - 08/17/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Flat tops stoves are usually flat glass or ceramic cooking surfaces that will crack from the extreme weight and heat given off by this size PC. Just to give you an idea of the heat generated by this PC... This thing heated up my entire house, and might I add there was no steam escaping since it never did reach the proper temp. So yes this PC definately has the potential to crack cooking surfaces< and damage surrounding counter tops!
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: ScavengerType]
#8788749 - 08/17/08 10:19 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are a few options to choose from. First thing to do is get a pressure toggle valve from WAFCO (store.wafco.com, part #65) to get rid of the weight valve. It just screws in place. This allows you to use much less water in the pc to run it, thus requiring less heat/faster start up times. Plus you can now go to 18-20 psi no prob. Plus it maintains pressure way easier now. Best $18 you can spend.
The best burner is a double burner electric range that is about 1500 - 1650 watts total. You want one that has the elements close together, like this one which is the most ideal cost effective one: http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/view.2/app.detail/params.aol_refer.false.tpl.detail.msn_refer.false.item.K180550.ref.GBA?cm_ven=GOOGLEBASE&cm_cat=Cooking%20&cm_pla=Kitchen%20Electrics&cm_ite=K180550
You place the cooker balanced on top of both burners.
No need for a 220v commercial burner in the hundreds of dollar range, the cheap double ones works so well.
A propane burner also will work fine, but electric is way better no worries on scorching anything, poisons etc. I have use successfully a 180,000 BTU propane high pressure jet burner and a 30,000 BTU low pressure double ring style burner. The latter was much better. You really only need about 8,000 BTU or so honestly.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: sandman420]
#8788924 - 08/17/08 11:16 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the help! I think Im gonna stick with the propane burner, but I also think I will invest in that toggle valve
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: unknown28]
#8789058 - 08/17/08 11:59 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: unknown28]
#8789137 - 08/18/08 12:24 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Remember the propane burner cannot be used indoors. Carbon monoxide and all that jazz man.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: hawksapprentice]
#8789182 - 08/18/08 12:38 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Natural gas burners don't produce as much problems as propane burners I take it?
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: Maverick]
#8789262 - 08/18/08 01:14 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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If I'm not mistaken propane is natural gas compressed with the smell added to it so it's NH4. I don't see how it would produce carbon monoxide, I used to use a blowtorch for doing hot-knives indoors, if you air a room out it shouldn't cause problems. Though to be honest I had the hot-knives on for 5-10 min stints (though in the winter easily over 30 mins total of torch before opening the window) I'd bet this NG burner left on for an hour and a half could burn a substantial amount of oxygen out of the room.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: ScavengerType]
#8789296 - 08/18/08 01:27 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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All the info that comes with the turkey burners says explicitly that you shouldn't use them indoors. Same with any other type of propane burner. Now CO2 producers for growing the ganj can be used in doors, but your usually monitoring those levels, and only burning for short amounts of time like 15 mins. or so.
Sure with enough ventilation you might be able to get away with it. But my understanding is that natural gas is different from propane. Now I'm no chemist, so I may be wrong. But it would seem that if on the box they're telling you not to do it I wouldn't
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: hawksapprentice]
#8789351 - 08/18/08 01:53 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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your right I'm wrong propane is C3H8. Damn I was way off. So it will produce quite a bit of CO, still I bet you could do it indoors with proper ventilation.
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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: hawksapprentice]
#8789357 - 08/18/08 01:55 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane
Very different compounds after a little bit of investigation. Although natural gas in it's raw form contains propane. Natural gas that comes into your home is almost pure Methane according to wiki.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: hawksapprentice]
#8789503 - 08/18/08 03:13 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I highly recommend the electric way. Then you can use a heavy duty timer to control the cycle, and if you do spawn bags there is no worries for melting the sides touching. If you want to runt he propane burner indoors you will need some serious ventilation. Its not c02 your worrying about its carbon monoxide.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: hawksapprentice]
#8789598 - 08/18/08 04:41 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Remember the propane burner cannot be used indoors. Carbon monoxide and all that jazz man.
Uhm, I grew up in a trailer that had propane gas for everything.. propane stove, propane water heater, propane heater. Propane is fine to use indoors. In fact, in Las Cruces (where I grew up) if you have gas piped in from the city, it's propane, not natural gas.
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Make sure you're not using more than 1" of water in the bottom. A 1kw burner should be enough as long as you don't get the water too deep. I use an 800 watt burner for my AA 921 and it heats up to full pressure in about 20 minutes.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8790143 - 08/18/08 09:55 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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A 1000watt electric burner definately will not work. My 1st attempt was with room temperature tap water in the bottom and after 5 hours there was still no pressure build up. Attempt 2 I used boiling water to the PC and immediately put it on the burner again after 3 1/2 hours still no pressure. As for homes that running off propane this definately true since my home is 1 of the few in the area that doesn"t run off of these propane tanks a.k.a PIGS. Im gonna try the turkey fryer method with a regulated hose and proper ventilation and I think I should be fine.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: sandman420]
#8790168 - 08/18/08 10:03 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I highly recommend the electric way. Then you can use a heavy duty timer to control the cycle, and if you do spawn bags there is no worries for melting the sides touching. If you want to runt he propane burner indoors you will need some serious ventilation. Its not c02 your worrying about its carbon monoxide.
In my opinion the electric method is useless. Most people go with AA941 to cut down on PC time, and the ability to do many jars at once. When using a electric burner it turns into a all day job just to heat this thing up. And if I wanted to spend all day doing this i could have saved $350 and kept using my old PC that only did 3 at a time.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8790237 - 08/18/08 10:20 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Make sure you're not using more than 1" of water in the bottom. A 1kw burner should be enough as long as you don't get the water too deep. I use an 800 watt burner for my AA 921 and it heats up to full pressure in about 20 minutes.
RR
I was using about 3-4 inches... Would this extra 2-3 inches of water really had hours to the heat up time? Users above said that a sigle burner would not work in my case unless it was lab grade. And after wasting all that time these past 2 days im kinda skeptical to even try a lab burner in fear of lost time and materials
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: unknown28]
#8790405 - 08/18/08 10:59 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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In my opinion the electric method is useless. Most people go with AA941 to cut down on PC time, and the ability to do many jars at once. When using a electric burner it turns into a all day job just to heat this thing up. And if I wanted to spend all day doing this i could have saved $350 and kept using my old PC that only did 3 at a time.
No the 1650 watt double burner will heat it up to pressure in no time at all with it on both burners, especially with the sterilizer mod. About 20 minutes or so. I have a couple of 941s and I have been in your exact position before.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: sandman420]
#8790465 - 08/18/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was using about 3-4 inches
Bingo. Use 1" and watch it work. In fact, 3/4" will work. Just remember to reduce the stove burner once pressure is reached. The extra water dissipates too much heat, preventing it from reaching boiling point.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: sandman420]
#8790636 - 08/18/08 11:42 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ive got a 1300 watt lab style hotplate (Corning PC-100) and it takes at least 3 hours to get to pressure. Trust me mang that burner I linked (BR7*) will work well.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: unknown28]
#8791042 - 08/18/08 01:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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hawksapprentice I already corrected myself why you gota rub it in, and sandman420 I followed my CO with a comma not a subscripted 2, CO is carbon monoxide.
Bout the water level, of all chemical compounds water takes the most energy to heat and cool. All you need is enough to fill it with steam for an hour and a half.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: unknown28]
#8803740 - 08/21/08 12:21 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the help everyone!!! I went with RR's advice about only using 1' of water. I was thinking and used cold water. That worked out fine, but I'm pretty sure that slowed things down a bit. I then went with a couple others advise and stayed using electric. So I then went out and bought a second GE 1000w burner, and used the 2 combined. So from the time I put the lid on until the end of the 1h 15m cook time it took about 21/2-3 hours.
Hopefully tomorrow it will heat up a bit faster when I use boiling water!!!
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: unknown28]
#8804004 - 08/21/08 02:02 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've gone from using the turkey cooker to a reg. electric stove and like it ten times better, I don' know this PC you have but propane burners like everyone is talking about work, but, NOT INSIDE !!! maybe the garage, like running your car in the garage, just make sure you have adequate ventilation.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: drumjam]
#8812127 - 08/22/08 04:43 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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2nd attempt with 2 single burners was just as bad as just having one. It took so long to build up pressure that once it was donr sterlizing the seeds were burnt black! So today I returned one burner and just purchased a 1800w double burner. Im keeping my fingers crossed this time. Also b4 putting on the pressure weight is it mandatory to exhaust for 7mins? And also others with the AA941 how long should I expect from start to finish if i usually PC for 1h 15m?
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: drumjam]
#8812267 - 08/22/08 05:12 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've gone from using the turkey cooker to a reg. electric stove and like it ten times better, I don' know this PC you have but propane burners like everyone is talking about work, but, NOT INSIDE !!! maybe the garage, like running your car in the garage, just make sure you have adequate ventilation.
Bullshit. Propane is perfectly safe to use indoors, or there wouldn't be products like:
http://www.usepropane.com/select/water_heater?categories=home&products=water_heater&x=15&y=14
http://www.usepropane.com/select/clothes_dryer?categories=home&products=clothes_dryer&x=24&y=13
http://www.usepropane.com/select/space_heater?categories=home&products=space_heater&x=22&y=10
Are you telling me that I have to ventilate my house in the dead of winter when I'm using one of these?
http://www.usepropane.com/select/furnace?categories=heating&products=furnace&x=10&y=13
http://www.usepropane.com/select/fireplace?categories=heating&products=fireplace&x=10&y=17
Just be safe about starting a fire, like you would with any other heating element.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: unknown28]
#8812756 - 08/22/08 07:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Flat tops stoves are usually flat glass or ceramic cooking surfaces that will crack from the extreme weight and heat given off by this size PC. Just to give you an idea of the heat generated by this PC... This thing heated up my entire house, and might I add there was no steam escaping since it never did reach the proper temp. So yes this PC definately has the potential to crack cooking surfaces< and damage surrounding counter tops!
LOL.
I just acquired a 921 and you are so right...this thing heated up my entire kitchen and living room...but then again, my heart rate was about 120 so, don't know if it was it or me. It is like a oven on your stove top.
I'm glad I didn't get anything bigger either, cause it wouldn't of fit on my stove with a microwave above it...I have just enough clearance to not melt my over-the-stove microwave.
H.H.
Good answers above too. Good post.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: Hattori Hanzo]
#8812779 - 08/22/08 07:41 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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2 hours would be acceptable, I will time mine next time for an exact.
You may try adding hot water to the unit.
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Quote:
somestupidnewbie said:
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drumjam said:
I've gone from using the turkey cooker to a reg. electric stove and like it ten times better, I don' know this PC you have but propane burners like everyone is talking about work, but, NOT INSIDE !!! maybe the garage, like running your car in the garage, just make sure you have adequate ventilation.
Bullshit. Propane is perfectly safe to use indoors, or there wouldn't be products like:
http://www.usepropane.com/select/water_heater?categories=home&products=water_heater&x=15&y=14
http://www.usepropane.com/select/clothes_dryer?categories=home&products=clothes_dryer&x=24&y=13
http://www.usepropane.com/select/space_heater?categories=home&products=space_heater&x=22&y=10
Are you telling me that I have to ventilate my house in the dead of winter when I'm using one of these?
http://www.usepropane.com/select/furnace?categories=heating&products=furnace&x=10&y=13
http://www.usepropane.com/select/fireplace?categories=heating&products=fireplace&x=10&y=17
Just be safe about starting a fire, like you would with any other heating element.
The products you linked to all ventilate themselves, or monitor the environment. When you install them you install a FLUE, or hook up an existing one. So, Go ahead and recommend the person to kill themselves with carbon monoxide.
oh, btw: http://wvgazette.com/latest/200808130210
and http://www.yourlawyer.com/topics/overview/coleman_propane_heaters
But, greatest of all is: http://www.ky3.com/home/related/5237971.html
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Viets says the source of the carbon monoxide was also clear.
"Also in the house, there was a propane heater that's more used in shops or an open area, and we're fairly sure that was the main cause of the carbon monoxide," he said.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: alkylbenzene23]
#8813253 - 08/22/08 09:35 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey man Def take rr's advice on making sure u turn down burner once up to pressure. To much escaping steam will dry out your jars. I just learned this so I figured i'd tell u just incase u diddnt know. GL!
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: Citratox]
#8829385 - 08/26/08 07:01 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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After doing a couple cycles of PC'ing on average it takes about 3 1/2-4hrs from start to finish. The only problem now is that after being inside the PC for so long the WBS has a burnt odor to them and the grains come out a little darker than when they went in. Although the grains are still moist I would like to know is this common when using the AA941 and will this give me prblems far as colonizing goes?
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: unknown28]
#8829483 - 08/26/08 07:51 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's common for the grains to come out darker. They didn't burn in the presence of steam.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8829513 - 08/26/08 08:01 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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you did keep them off the bottom didn't you ?
sometimes you can burn your grain that way
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: alkylbenzene23]
#8833803 - 08/27/08 12:34 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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alkylbenzene23 said:
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drumjam said:
I've gone from using the turkey cooker to a reg. electric stove and like it ten times better, I don' know this PC you have but propane burners like everyone is talking about work, but, NOT INSIDE !!! maybe the garage, like running your car in the garage, just make sure you have adequate ventilation.
Bullshit. Propane is perfectly safe to use indoors, or there wouldn't be products like:
http://www.usepropane.com/select/water_heater?categories=home&products=water_heater&x=15&y=14
http://www.usepropane.com/select/clothes_dryer?categories=home&products=clothes_dryer&x=24&y=13
http://www.usepropane.com/select/space_heater?categories=home&products=space_heater&x=22&y=10
Are you telling me that I have to ventilate my house in the dead of winter when I'm using one of these?
http://www.usepropane.com/select/furnace?categories=heating&products=furnace&x=10&y=13
http://www.usepropane.com/select/fireplace?categories=heating&products=fireplace&x=10&y=17
Just be safe about starting a fire, like you would with any other heating element.
The products you linked to all ventilate themselves, or monitor the environment. When you install them you install a FLUE, or hook up an existing one. So, Go ahead and recommend the person to kill themselves with carbon monoxide.
oh, btw: http://wvgazette.com/latest/200808130210
and http://www.yourlawyer.com/topics/overview/coleman_propane_heaters
But, greatest of all is: http://www.ky3.com/home/related/5237971.html
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Viets says the source of the carbon monoxide was also clear.
"Also in the house, there was a propane heater that's more used in shops or an open area, and we're fairly sure that was the main cause of the carbon monoxide," he said.
You are out of you mind!
Most all of the product you listed are vented like NG unit and that's where all the "I'll kill you in not so many heart beats" gases go. There are some new products out there that do burn so well that they do not need venting but a turkey burner is not one of them! Most are catalytic heater and serve smaller areas and most come with low O2 shut off sensors so you don't kill yourselves. They had to because some fool use them in poor ventilated places like inside! They can be used in a garage or like an RV propane stove can be used inside the RV, but even that cannot be used SAFELY as a heating unit. RVs are about as well vented as a garage.
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: drumjam]
#8833808 - 08/27/08 12:36 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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alkylbenzene23,
sorry about the repeat
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Re: ALL AMERICAN 941 PC HEATING HELP!!!! [Re: drumjam]
#8833927 - 08/27/08 01:29 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes I did keep the jars off the bottom of the cooker. Thanx RR
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