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Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC
    #8786459 - 08/17/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Rep. Loretta Sanchez says she’s happy for the chance to vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton at the Democratic National Convention — and she predicts that as many as half of the Democrats in the House could join her.

Just how many former Clinton supporters will vote for the former first lady during the symbolic first ballot is anybody’s guess, but each of them will be called upon to do so — whether they want to or not.

On Friday, the Obama campaign confirmed that the floor vote in Denver, intended to assuage Clinton supporters still stewing over her narrow loss, will be conducted as a state-by-state roll call. Under proposed convention bylaws, delegates would be forced to register their votes on a tally sheet with the convention secretary — the rules could be altered or suspended before the start of the convention.

“By putting her name in nomination, you're putting people on the spot,” said former delegate counter Matt Seyfang, adding a second potential drawback: “Having a roll call ... just chews into your broadcast time.”

Lower-key options were available. For example, Clinton’s name could have been entered into nomination, followed by laudatory speeches, ending with her release of delegates to Obama and proposal that he be nomination by acclamation, Seyfang said.



Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the “mechanics” of the roll call vote are still being worked out, but he conceded that Clinton probably will garner many votes on the first ballot.

For Obama’s camp, the roll call is a ritual that will defuse any potential tension with Clinton or her supporters without affecting the outcome or the theater of Obama’s dramatic nomination.

Said Sanchez: “I believe there are a lot of supporters for Hillary among the superdelegates, especially now that they’ve agreed to place her name in nomination. I think half the House Democrats would probably be Hillary supporters, especially women. ... I felt she was the most experienced and the best candidate and I still feel that way.”

Clinton herself has said she plans to vote for Obama.

A longtime Clinton adviser said it was “crazy” to guess at numbers but estimated that the former first lady would garner between 600 and 1,200 delegates — considerably short of the approximately 1,800 she had collected at the time of her departure from the race in early June.

“It’s a bizarre strategy,” said one Democratic strategist of the roll call. “It could backfire and show that her influence is waning. Chances are, she’s not going to have as many delegates vote for her on the floor as she had in the primary.”

Indeed, many Hillary diehards, including at least one member of the New York delegation, are reluctant to vote for Clinton after switching over to Obama.

“I think that most superdelegates, including myself, are going for Obama,” said New York Rep. Anthony Weiner, who campaigned with Clinton around the country. “I made my decision for Obama, and I’m not switching again.”

Other onetime Clinton backers are reluctant to reverse course for fear of angering their black constituents.

“My boss is totally conflicted about it — and pissed Hillary is putting us in this position,” said a congressional staffer for another New York House member. “We still haven’t made up our mind and I don’t know when we are going to.”

Another New York delegate, speaking on condition of anonymity, predicted that as much as 30 percent to 40 percent of the New York delegation would pick Clinton over Obama during the symbolic vote.

Obama’s decision to accept a roll call vote, which came after weeks of talks with the Clinton camp, doesn’t mean he’ll let the process get out of hand, observers say.

“The convention is about nominating Barack, so his people want to speed through the vote as fast as possible so it won’t take too much TV time,” said a Democratic delegate who plans to vote for Clinton. “They also want to avoid a scenario where she’s leading at any point.”


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12565.html


why give the Clintons a second chance?

why did Obama allow this?


IDIOT!


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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8787399 - 08/17/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Still harping on the age old idea that some how the supers are just going to spit in the face of the Democratic voters and nominate Hillary for spite? He's allowing it because it's over. Done. Kaput. Barack's the nominee, this is just to let all the bitter harpies who can't handle the truth to get their last ditch effort out there so that maybe they'll man up and start considering which of the two actual main-stream candidates they're actually going to vote for. And both of them will have a penis


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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8787693 - 08/17/08 06:06 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Still harping on the age old idea that some how the supers are just going to spit in the face of the Democratic voters and nominate Hillary for spite?

He's allowing it because it's over.

Done.

Kaput.





Yep,its definitely over. John McCain will be the next President of the United States, and the dirty ass Clinton's better not fuck that up!wink:


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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8787724 - 08/17/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
Still harping on the age old idea that some how the supers are just going to spit in the face of the Democratic voters and nominate Hillary for spite?

He's allowing it because it's over.

Done.

Kaput.





Yep,its definitely over. John McCain will be the next President of the United States, and the dirty ass Clinton's better not fuck that up!wink:




And Republicans will keep the congress in 2006...


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Re: Half of House Dem's may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: downforpot]
    #8787748 - 08/17/08 06:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

McCain is Surging!

Barack Obama 275    John McCain 263 


this is the first time I've seen Obama with less then 300 to 330 electoral votes! (on any map!)




http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10


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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: downforpot]
    #8787757 - 08/17/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

My latest prediction:  Hillary vs McCain’s VP. 2012


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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Re: Half of House Dem's may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8787804 - 08/17/08 06:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Wow! Go McCain! Look at that lead! Oh wait... :whatever:


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Re: Half of House Dem's may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8788359 - 08/17/08 08:45 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

An unpopular president, an unpopular war, a shitty economy

the Democrats should be UP at least 20 points!


Can u feel that?




Listen, do u hear that?


four more years of Bush.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Half of House Dem's may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8790791 - 08/18/08 12:26 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
McCain is Surging!

Barack Obama 275    John McCain 263 


this is the first time I've seen Obama with less then 300 to 330 electoral votes! (on any map!)




http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10





Like the Iraq surging? Being behind is an obvious victory? This have been more substantial reverses all over past elections, these numbers don't mean much. American's are flakey and have short attention-spans; it's a long way to November.


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Re: Half of House Dem's may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: numonkei]
    #8791175 - 08/18/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

you're definitely right about it being early. but Obama is in big trouble, he spent around 60 million dollars last month alone! I don't think McCain has even raised 60 million dollars yet....


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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Re: Half of House Dem's may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: numonkei]
    #8791228 - 08/18/08 02:16 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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numonkei said:
Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
McCain is Surging!

Barack Obama 275    John McCain 263 


this is the first time I've seen Obama with less then 300 to 330 electoral votes! (on any map!)




http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10





Like the Iraq surging? Being behind is an obvious victory? This have been more substantial reverses all over past elections, these numbers don't mean much. American's are flakey and have short attention-spans; it's a long way to November.


~Monk




I think the media likes to assume Americans have short attention spans, and broadcast as such.  Maybe with the intent to actually induce the short attention spans.


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Re: Half of House Dem's may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: Minstrel]
    #8791240 - 08/18/08 02:19 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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I think the media likes to assume Americans have short attention spans, and broadcast as such.  Maybe with the intent to actually induce the short attention spans.




:laugh:


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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8791582 - 08/18/08 03:35 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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why give the Clintons a second chance?

why did Obama allow this?


IDIOT!




far from being an idiot..o'bumble knows he cant beat mccain (despite whatever he says to the contrary)..so he has wisely chosen to leave it to the sups...now lets hope the sups arent idiots either and nominate hillary...


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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: Annapurna1]
    #8791989 - 08/18/08 05:16 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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now lets hope the sups arent idiots either and nominate hillary...




now lets hope the Super Delegates are wimps and nominate Obama...:grin:


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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8792266 - 08/18/08 06:39 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I'm gonna laugh so hard when McCain gets trounced. You have no idea


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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8793488 - 08/18/08 11:16 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Lonestar, as hilarious as I find your fantastical wet-dream scenarios, just because you hope something will happen, doesn't mean it will come to pass.  Hillary is not going to be nominated.  The super-delegates will nominate Obama.  The party will be united after the convention. 

Regarding your RCP link..  Take a closer look.

Minnesota a toss-up?  Not likely, seeing as how they have gone republican once in the last 50 years.
Obama hasn't trailed in a Michigan poll since Hillary dropped out.
Obama hasn't trailed in any poll in Ohio since Hillary quit, excepting Rassmussen.. and a 10 point lead for McCain (seriously?) is all that is keeping that state out of the blue column.

Note that FL is now in play.  The trend graph is not looking good for McCain. 

McCain's losing is a sure sign of his winning.  If you can't see that you're blind.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: thedefone]
    #8793726 - 08/19/08 12:25 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #8793778 - 08/19/08 12:44 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Beats old and senile any day. McCain looks like a robot with downs


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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8793869 - 08/19/08 01:26 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Oh believe me I'm definitely not a McBush supporter. 
I just thought the pic was funny.


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so yeah:
- 'sex' five times
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- and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
Best story ever!

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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8794161 - 08/19/08 04:46 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

> I'm gonna laugh so hard when McCain gets trounced. You have no idea

I would laugh with you if none of the three made it... unfortunately, that isn't going to happen.  Laughing at McCain getting trounced is kinda like laughing at your neighbors house burning down without realizing that your own house is also on fire.

> Beats old and senile any day.

No.  Just as bad as old and senile any day.  It amazes me that people think Obama is somehow different than any other career politician, McCain included.

Vote third party and make a real difference!


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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: Seuss]
    #8794176 - 08/19/08 04:54 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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> Beats old and senile any day.

No.  Just as bad as old and senile any day.  It amazes me that people think Obama is somehow different than any other career politician, McCain included.

Vote third party and make a real difference!




yep, just listened to obama at google.


Just endless vague generalities about "closing the achievment gap" "empaneling  the first of xyz type agency in this country's history" "improving education" and other nonsense followed by "let me give you some specifics which is immediatly followed by more generalities.


Guy just preaches hope without any thought of specifics or how he's going to accomplish all this shit he has no power to do.

Vagueness is insulting, and obama is full of them.


And his changes in positions blows kerry out of the water.

I really don't want to pay obama to get his way with all the stuff he vaguely has ambition to do so, and I have no idea why people think the federal government is needed to provide these things when they cannot balance their budjet, pay the deficit down, or stick to what the constitution allows them to do.


Libertarian candidates seem to be the future for me, hopefully with the internet and such more people will vote third party and make the duopoly have to pander to these voters a little to keep getting victories over the 'other' party.

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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: Seuss]
    #8794585 - 08/19/08 08:49 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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> I'm gonna laugh so hard when McCain gets trounced. You have no idea

I would laugh with you if none of the three made it... unfortunately, that isn't going to happen.  Laughing at McCain getting trounced is kinda like laughing at your neighbors house burning down without realizing that your own house is also on fire.





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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: thedefone]
    #8797337 - 08/19/08 05:06 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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McCain's losing is a sure sign of his winning.  If you can't see that you're blind.  :rolleyes:




this is what i "see".  McCain is in a lot better shape than Bush was at this time in 2004!




Electorial votes on this day in 2004:

Kerry 301 Bush 213
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2004/Pres/Maps/Aug19.html

Electorial votes polling today:
Obama 275 McCain 250

http://www.electoral-vote.com/


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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8798613 - 08/19/08 09:45 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Because we know how accurate polls are. :rolleyes:

Polls are only based on people with land line phones, which no one I know except my grandma has one. We all know McSame is gonna get the elderly vote.


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so yeah:
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Best story ever!

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Re: Half of House Dems may vote Hillary at DNC [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #8799579 - 08/20/08 03:58 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Because we know how accurate polls are. :rolleyes:

Polls are only based on people with land line phones, which no one I know except my grandma has one. We all know McSame is gonna get the elderly vote.




This is the same mantra perpetuated during the Ron Paul campaign. We can all see that it wasn't true, that the polls pretty much reflected the results as they came in from the various states.


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