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Saneorsick
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: robbyberto]
#8782809 - 08/16/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Could Russia actually beat the U.S in a war right now if they wanted?
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: Saneorsick]
#8782816 - 08/16/08 03:41 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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doubt it. russian economy would fall apart if they'd have to take on anyone who's really an opponent.
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8782833 - 08/16/08 03:45 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said: doubt it. russian economy would fall apart if they'd have to take on anyone who's really an opponent.
Why do you say that? Russia is like the richest country in the world right now. They could probably kick our ass. Allthough i think its obvious that a full scale war between US and Russia probably wouldn't end with anyone being the winner.
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8782840 - 08/16/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said: doubt it. russian economy would fall apart if they'd have to take on anyone who's really an opponent.
Eh, I disagree. The only reason their economy fell apart in the first place was part of the transition to a capitialist system. It's not unrealistic to assume that they could convert to some sort of war economy. If anything, we're the inflexible ones. It's why we have to constantly spend large amounts per year, because otherwise we couldn't ramp up easily enough in a crisis.
Economics aside, war between the countries is just plain dumb. One word, nukes. So I just don't see it happening for anything short of Russia trying to take over all of Europe or Asia.
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: The_Ghost]
#8782844 - 08/16/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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russia is poor, believe me.
and yes, this won't be a war as anyone knows it, this will be the first and the last nuclear war, if it comes to that.
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: The_Ghost]
#8782853 - 08/16/08 03:50 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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If it actually came to war, don't think for a second that Russia would actually win. American could wipe the floor with either Russia or China. But as others have said, it would not be pretty.
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8782863 - 08/16/08 03:53 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said: russia is poor, believe me.
and yes, this won't be a war as anyone knows it, this will be the first and the last nuclear war, if it comes to that.
According to what? Russian economy is supposed to be doing well right now, and with all the top gov people being billionaires from all the fucking oil, im sure there's more then enough funds being pumped into the military which has always been important for russians.
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8782888 - 08/16/08 04:02 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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CIA World Factbook
Russia has shown a constant 7% growth since 1998, and a 3% of gdp surplus. They've paid off all cold war debts.
GDP 1 World $ 65,610,000,000,000 2007 est. 2 European Union $ 14,380,000,000,000 2007 est. 3 United States $ 13,840,000,000,000 2007 est. 4 China $ 6,991,000,000,000 2007 est. 5 Japan $ 4,290,000,000,000 2007 est. 6 India $ 2,989,000,000,000 2007 est. 7 Germany $ 2,810,000,000,000 2007 est. 8 United Kingdom $ 2,137,000,000,000 2007 est. 9 Russia $ 2,088,000,000,000 2007 est.
Oil production 1 World 78,900,000 2005 est. 2 Saudi Arabia 11,000,000 2007 est. 3 Russia 9,870,000 2007 4 United States 8,322,000 2005 est.
Oil reserves 1 World 1,331,000,000,000 1 January 2006 est. 2 Saudi Arabia 264,300,000,000 2007 est. 3 Canada 178,800,000,000 1 January 2006 est. 4 Iran 138,400,000,000 2007 est. 5 Iraq 115,000,000,000 1 January 2007 est. 6 Kuwait 101,500,000,000 2007 est. 7 United Arab Emirates 97,800,000,000 2007 est. 8 Venezuela 79,140,000,000 2007 est. 9 Russia 60,000,000,000 1 January 2006 est. 10 Libya 45,000,000,000 2007 est. 11 Nigeria 37,250,000,000 2007 est. 12 Angola 25,000,000,000 2007 est. 13 United States 21,760,000,000 1 January 2006 est.
GDP - composition by sector: (this is important) Russia agriculture: 4.7% industry: 39.1% services: 56.2% (2007 est.) US agriculture: 0.9% industry: 20.5% services: 78.5% (2007 est.)
Manpower fit for military service Russia males age 16-49: 21,488,878 females age 16-49: 28,760,976 (2008 est.) US males age 16-49: 59,413,358 females age 16-49: 59,187,183 (2008 est.)
Don't forget, nukes, and Russia isn't afraid to use their manpower, as demonstrated in WWII, and as demonstrated in the discrepancy between men and women fit for service.
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: Ferris]
#8783049 - 08/16/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its all joshua playing the game!
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: DragonChaser]
#8783053 - 08/16/08 05:06 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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DragonChaser said: Anyone see Red Dawn?
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: Deity208]
#8783063 - 08/16/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: Ferris]
#8783076 - 08/16/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I bet the techs sneak in and play video games on it after hours.
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: AJ4U]
#8783085 - 08/16/08 05:16 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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AJ4U said:
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DragonChaser said: Anyone see Red Dawn?
Anyone see war games?
The internets will attack us, al gore programmed the internets to cause nuclear war in 2012.
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: robbyberto]
#8783094 - 08/16/08 05:19 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would not go, but if they invaded the US i would fight but not with the army. I would fight them with gurrila warfare, hit and run tactics. Russians are burl when it comes to war though, a major super power with a large military so it would be a very intense war. There would be a all sorts of civilians fighting im sure of that.
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#8783280 - 08/16/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's no point in fucking with the US the technology we have implemented in the battle field is Superior to everything.
The only thing anything has better than us is those damn English and their Challenger 2 tank that has an automated aiming system that can hit 6 targets a minute at 40 mph or some shit like that.
no one could ever invade the us it's damn near impossible.
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: Rustifer]
#8783298 - 08/16/08 06:12 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's no point in fucking with the US the technology we have implemented in the battle field is Superior to everything.
i bet thats what russians think about their country.
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: Rustifer]
#8783302 - 08/16/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rustifer said: no one could ever invade the us it's damn near impossible.
The Mexican illegals don't seem to have any problems.
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: robbyberto]
#8783329 - 08/16/08 06:19 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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we're both in wars right now anyway, think we'll still be all riled up when we're both done, and go after eachother???
fuck war
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: Irdamage]
#8783331 - 08/16/08 06:19 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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If the interwebz invaded Russia or the U.S., I'd side with the internet.
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Re: if the U.S. declares war on russia. hypothetical sitaution [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8783347 - 08/16/08 06:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said:
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There's no point in fucking with the US the technology we have implemented in the battle field is Superior to everything.
i bet thats what russians think about their country.
and i dont know if im the only one whos noticed this, but the US, the big bully, is lookin pretty weak right about now...
we're not the only super power anymore.
our country is in a sad state right now, the govt. isnt doing enough for us to make many of us WANT to fight for our country.
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