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Rono
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: Innvertigo]
#876731 - 09/11/02 05:17 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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and after they do provide sources to your satisfaction...has that ever changed your opinion?
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: Rono]
#876742 - 09/11/02 05:21 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Give me an example where something was said as a fact that someone cited that i disagreed with...you do know what a fact is don't you?
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: Innvertigo]
#876763 - 09/11/02 05:29 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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"There isn't a major figure in the american media who isn't in our pocket" - William Colby, Ex-head of the CIA.
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: Xlea321]
#876768 - 09/11/02 05:30 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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that's a quote....a quote of an opinion at that...
-------------------- America....FUCK YEAH!!! Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson
Edited by Innvertigo (09/11/02 05:31 AM)
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: Rono]
#876769 - 09/11/02 05:31 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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and after they do provide sources to your satisfaction...has that ever changed your opinion?
Nah, he never even reads them. Just says "show me sources" when he thinks it makes him sound knowledgeable.
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: Xlea321]
#876778 - 09/11/02 05:33 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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no because you're so full of shit it's unbelievable....you said that 2 million people were killed in laos and i called you on it..i just wanted to know where you got that info from....to this day we still don't know
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: Innvertigo]
#876842 - 09/11/02 05:47 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Once again, read any major news source on the effect Nixon's secret terror bombings of Cambodia and Laos had on the civilian population.
I can't educate you, you have to take some of the responsibility yourself. But you don't really want to know do you?
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: Innvertigo]
#876882 - 09/11/02 05:57 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Estimating only the casualties inflicted by U.S. armed forces or U.S.-backed surrogate forces around the world, the death toll is estimated as follows: 3,000,000 in Vietnam, 1,000,000 in Cambodia, 1,000,000 in Mozambique, 500,000 to 1,000,000 in Indonesia, 600,000 in Angola, 300,000 in Laos, 250,000 in East Timor, 200,000 in Iraq, 200,000 in Afghanistan, 150,000 in Guatemala, 100,000 in Nicaragua, 90,000 in El Salvador, and tens of thousands in Chile, Argentina, Zaire, Iran (under the Shah), Colombia, Bolivia, Brazil, Panama, Somalia, South Yemen, Western Sahara, and dozens of other countries.*
Sources....Michael Parenti, The Sword and the Dollar (New York: St. Martin's Press, 1989); Edward Herman, The Real Terror Network (Boston: South End Press, 1982); William Blum, Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 1995).
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: Rono]
#876896 - 09/11/02 06:00 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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When you figure in the starvation and disease that mass terror bombing causes not to mention the breakdown in society that leads to people like Pol Pot gaining power those figures are even higher.
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: Rono]
#876960 - 09/11/02 06:15 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's a great article. I saw the stepford children. I was a kid and it FREAKED the HELL out of me.
Innvertago...your not a real person are you....you're an alter ego? Someone's idea of a joke person, like Rush Limbaugh. Ha ha, fuckin hillarious material
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: carbonhoots]
#877153 - 09/11/02 07:24 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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****Innvertago...your not a real person are you....you're an alter ego?****
who are you again?
***Someone's idea of a joke person, like Rush Limbaugh. Ha ha, fuckin hillarious material ****
yeah something like that.....what a moron
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Post deleted by MOE THE MAD SCIENTIST [Re: Xlea321]
#877454 - 09/11/02 09:04 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: vatoloco]
#877907 - 09/11/02 11:48 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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"My opinion is based on common sense..."
Your subjective opinion of 'common sense' is what your opinion is based on
opinion opinion opinion AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: foghorn]
#877982 - 09/11/02 12:13 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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***Your subjective opinion of 'common sense' is what your opinion is based on***
This sentance makes no sense, opinions are all subjective, that's what makes them an opinion. Am i not allowed to have one based on my experiences in life..or is that reserved for the libbies?
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: vatoloco]
#878193 - 09/11/02 01:33 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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300,000 and 2,000,000 are still a long way apart
I said Cambodia and Laos remember. That's 1.3 million from the bombing alone. Factor in the starvation and disease and civil war on top of that and 2 million is an understatement.
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: vatoloco]
#879212 - 09/11/02 10:58 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the numbers are pretty irrelevant...the fact is the U.S. has killed millions of people for political reasons, and not one of them was a direct threat to the U.S. Seems pretty straight forward to me...
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: Xlea321]
#879593 - 09/12/02 02:22 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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you're so full of shit it's comming out of your ears.
just make up a number and we'll all agree on it okay?
ha ha ha...dolt
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: Innvertigo]
#880623 - 09/12/02 12:58 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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-------------------- my tax dollars going to more hits of acid for charles manson
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Re: Stepford Citizens. [Re: Innvertigo]
#881409 - 09/13/02 01:25 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Innvertigo: "Give me an example where something was said as a fact that someone cited that i disagreed with...you do know what a fact is don't you?"
Do you realize how circular that is? "If it was really a fact, I wouldn't have disagreed with it." You disputed some facts I offered a few months back regarding overfishing. Of course, if they were REALLY facts, you wouldn't have disagreed, right?
Pshaw
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