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The victims of Sep 11
    #876476 - 09/11/02 05:31 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

On sep 11 1973 the US backed, CIA sponsored dictator Augusto Pinochet killed 1500 chileans in his coup of President Allende. Chile's record as the pre-eminent democracy in South America was rapidly destroyed as it was reduced to one of the most notorious and savage police states in history. With the full support and blessing of his benefactors the United States, Pinochet commenced to slaughtering thousands during his reign of terror.

On this day let us remember them.

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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Xlea321]
    #876486 - 09/11/02 05:38 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

On September 11, 1982, Israelis killed about a thousand Palestinians in Beirut.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Phluck]
    #876491 - 09/11/02 05:40 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

Actually, that started on sept 11, it was over a period of several days I believe.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Phluck]
    #876499 - 09/11/02 05:44 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

Sept 11, 2001 Cowardly muslims target only civilians in the World Trade Center, killing approx 3000 with an enormous homocide act in the name of Allah....


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #876516 - 09/11/02 05:49 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

Nobody is going to argue with that. It was a horrible act against humanity...


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #876522 - 09/11/02 05:51 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

you would all be more effective if you didn't use such loaded words/phrases as "cowardly" and "reign of terror".

the fact that 3000, or 1500, or 2, people died is enough to prove to me that something was bad. you don't need to dig deeper for emotions by using loaded language.

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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Captain Jack]
    #876548 - 09/11/02 06:07 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

****you would all be more effective if you didn't use such loaded words/phrases as "cowardly" and "reign of terror".****

I call it like I see it....

****the fact that 3000, or 1500, or 2, people died is enough to prove to me that something was bad. ****

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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #876597 - 09/11/02 06:30 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

I'm positive that everyone here sees the attacks as a bad thing.

No matter how hard you try to convince me otherwise, I'm not a terrorist sympathizer.

I think killing thousands of people is bad. Whether you do it by ramming an airplane into a building, or by dropping bombs on them.

And come on... it's takes a certain amount of courage to get into an airplane, and pilot it into an building on purpose. I know I don't have the courage to do that, and you probably don't either. It's cold hearted, it's stupid, it's slimey, but it's not cowardly.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Phluck]
    #876621 - 09/11/02 06:41 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

***it's takes a certain amount of courage to get into an airplane, and pilot it into an building on purpose***

No the courage came when the people on that plane were taken down by the passangers and the Firefighters ran into the buildings....only a coward kills themselves

****I know I don't have the courage to do that, and you probably don't either****

Courage has nothing to do with it..stupidity does

****It's cold hearted, it's stupid, it's slimey, but it's not cowardly.****

Being all those things makes that person a coward...


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #876651 - 09/11/02 06:51 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

"No the courage came when the people on that plane were taken down by the passangers and the Firefighters ran into the buildings....only a coward kills themselves"

I think I get it now. If they're on your side, it's courage, if they're against you, it's cowardly.



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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Phluck]
    #876663 - 09/11/02 06:55 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

No, those scumbags were cowards. I would say the same if they were Americans, Canadians, or what have you.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #876674 - 09/11/02 07:00 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

What if they rammed their planes into towers in Baghdad?


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Phluck]
    #876690 - 09/11/02 07:06 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

They would still be cowards.

Now let's use the Japanese in WW2 as an example. They crashed their planes into purely military targets. They were not cowards as they took the risk of being shot down and killed by an armed force. Had they crashed their planes into office buildings then they also would have been cowards.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Phluck]
    #876696 - 09/11/02 07:07 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

In reply to:

What if they rammed their planes into towers in Baghdad?



To kill innocent, unarmed people is cowardly.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Phluck]
    #876732 - 09/11/02 07:18 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

anyone can kill themselves and innocent others....courage is when you do the right thing when your life is on the line..

You my friend are a terrorist sypathizer...if you're not you have a weird way of showing it.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #876747 - 09/11/02 07:22 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

"terrorist sympathiser" is Bush for "anyone who doesn't agree with every word i say". I think the recent television adverts proved that anyone who used drugs was a terrorist sympathiser too.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Xlea321]
    #876750 - 09/11/02 07:23 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

As a matter of fact my dim witted friend, I don't agree with everything he says....


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #876755 - 09/11/02 07:26 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

Could you please explain to me how I'm a terrorist sympathizer? I'm really confused here.

I don't agree at all with what they've done.

Not one bit.

I just think the word 'cowardly' is wildly inappropriate.

I also think that the US is doing bad shit. Bad shit that may even equal the bad shit the terrorists did. This doesn't justify the terrorist attacks. It may have prompted the terrorist attacks though.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Phluck]
    #876766 - 09/11/02 07:29 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

***Could you please explain to me how I'm a terrorist sympathizer?***

At the least your a hypocrite, in one breath you say how terrible it is then the next you try to justify it.

***I just think the word 'cowardly' is wildly inappropriate.***

Then why not tell me in your own words what a coward is?...or isn't it in your liberal vocabulary?

****I also think that the US is doing bad shit. Bad shit that may even equal the bad shit the terrorists did.****

yeah like fighting back?


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #876810 - 09/11/02 07:38 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

At the least your a hypocrite, in one breath you say how terrible it is then the next you try to justify it.

No, he never did this. As your psychiatrist has no doubt told you, try not to let your imagination get in the way of reality.

Then why not tell me in your own words what a coward is?...

Ordering the dropping of more explosive tonnage than was dropped in WW2 on a people who averaged 5' high and lived in the stone age (Vietnam) Good work studs. Iraqi sanctions? 600,000 dead kids? The contras? Supporting Suharto's genocide of East Timor? Supporting Pinochet? How long do you want this list.....?

yeah like fighting back?

Well you've done fuck all fighting back so far. You've killed thousands of Afghanistan civilians and not a single major figure in al-qaeda has been so much as captured. When is the fightback gonna come? Or doesn't it matter as long as you're killing someone in a turban?


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #876875 - 09/11/02 07:57 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

I'm not justifying the attacks. I'm saying that the US did things to provoke them.

It's the same way the other way 'round. Obviously something was done to provoke the bombing in Afghanistan. This doesn't justify it.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Xlea321]
    #877013 - 09/11/02 08:30 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

I have a hard time taking you serious so my reply will be short....kind of like your brain capacity


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Phluck]
    #877016 - 09/11/02 08:31 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

oh lord...how does it feel to live in such a circular world?


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #877023 - 09/11/02 08:35 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

Your lack of a rational response, and use of personal insults indicates that I may have hit a sore spot.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #877064 - 09/11/02 08:52 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

Reguardless of who is cowardly and who is couragious, the fact still remains that you shouldn't fight violence with violence. It'll just cause a huge circle of death and sadness. Attempts to fight back would be useless and only cause more people to be injured.

After all, and eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Phluck]
    #877071 - 09/11/02 08:54 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

My response is quite rational...and no sore spot has been hit

example:

you say: They bombed you for a reason..you're at fault

I say: so you agree with them?

you say: No but i understand them

I say: so you're justifing it?

You Say: no it's horrible what happened..you should change your ways

I say: why don't they change their ways?

You say: because it's your fault

Do you see the circle in your logic?



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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #877075 - 09/11/02 08:55 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

Why don't you all change your fucking ways then we wouldn't have this problem!!?!


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #877076 - 09/11/02 08:56 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

when the enemy only understands violence it is the only way to get your point across...i try to stay away from cliche's


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #877078 - 09/11/02 08:56 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

who are you all?


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #877082 - 09/11/02 08:57 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

Everyone. Both sides..


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #877088 - 09/11/02 09:00 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

But how do you know that they only understand violence? I'm sure they understand sorrow and pain as well as everyone. We are killing innocent people over there too, so does that make us cowardly as well? I would think it does.. or is it justified because they struck first? No, it's not, it's still the murder of innocent people, and cannot be justified by any means.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #877096 - 09/11/02 09:03 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

***We are killing innocent people over there too***

they aren't our primary objective...innocent people die in war. That's tragic but there is a big difference between making them your target..

***does that make us cowardly as well? I would think it does****

Then you'd be wrong..but you are entitled to your opinion

****or is it justified because they struck first? No, it's not****

I believe it is...defense is always justifiable

****it's still the murder of innocent people, and cannot be justified by any means. ****

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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #877102 - 09/11/02 09:06 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

The US is PARTIALLY at fault. Not 100%. Would they have been attacked if they weren't such assholes? No. Should they have been attacked by those other assholes? No.

Everyone is at fault. Both sides are fucking retarded. Especially the individuals on both sides with no ability to understand the viewpoints of the opposing sides.

You say "why don't they change their ways?", I say "They should. So should you."

They simply aren't going to be able to change their ways and opinions when they are surrounded by war. War breeds hate, hate breeds war. Maybe one day they'll be able to change their ways, but in order to drastically alter the religious philosophy of a large group, you need time. Lots and lots of time. Christianity has changed, but it's taken hundreds of years.

Political changes are a whole lot easier to make, the US can do that no problem. Maybe they should try to find subversive ways of changing the culture over there, because dropping bombs on them isn't going to help.

You can't explode all your problems away.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #877113 - 09/11/02 09:09 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

It doesn't matter who stuck first. So they did something terribly wrong, but we are wrong to retaliate with anger and violence. Two wrongs don't make it right. Id this 'war' worth the lives of thousands of innocents?

they aren't our primary objective...innocent people die in war. That's tragic but there is a big difference between making them your target..
What is the difference? It's still lives wasted, people that shouldn't have died. Who are we to deal out judgement?

Like I said earlier, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Phluck]
    #877117 - 09/11/02 09:12 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

Phluck, my dear.. I honestly could not have said it better myself. You hit the nail right on the fucking head.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #877192 - 09/11/02 09:41 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

****So they did something terribly wrong, but we are wrong to retaliate with anger and violence****

tell that to the 3000 that were cowardly destroyed..or their families

****Who are we to deal out judgement?****

when we get attacked then we are....we have a right to do it


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #877197 - 09/11/02 09:42 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

I think your views are very close minded.. but what do I know? I'm just a 17 year old girl who knows nothing of war.


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #877199 - 09/11/02 09:44 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

Oh I don't know...sounds like you're a few steps ahead of Invertigo...


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #877207 - 09/11/02 09:48 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

****I think your views are very close minded****

Typical liberal speech "if you don't agree with me you're closed minded"

and yes being 17 has a little to do with it


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Rono]
    #877210 - 09/11/02 09:48 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

****sounds like you're a few steps ahead of Invertigo***

In what direction? right or left?


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Rono]
    #877215 - 09/11/02 09:50 AM (19 years, 11 days ago)

When one terrorist nation attacks another terrorist nation, who should you feel bad for?
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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: vatoloco]
    #877914 - 09/11/02 01:51 PM (19 years, 11 days ago)

right on serv... right on


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #879664 - 09/12/02 05:08 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

In reply to:

You my friend are a terrorist sypathizer...




This is silly. Phluck just thinks "coward" is the wrong word. I think so too. So does Bill Maher. What a bunch of fucking terrorists the three of us are are.

Main Entry: cow?ard
Pronunciation: 'kau(-&)rd
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French coart, from coe tail, from Latin cauda
Date: 13th century
: one who shows disgraceful fear or timidity


I don't think the hijackers showed disgraceful fear or timidity by flying a plane into a building. How that indicates that I sympathize with terrorists I do not know. Please explain it to me.

If you want to call them names, the definitions of scumbag, murderer, terrorist, evil-doer, and killer all fit the hijackers. By my and Mirriam-Webster's definition, coward does not. I'll let you look up "terrorist sympathizer."


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #879693 - 09/12/02 05:32 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

***So does Bill Maher***

please don't ever use this moron as an example....Bill Maher is a joke...

****I don't think the hijackers showed disgraceful fear or timidity****

While i appreciate the use of the dictionary to solve this dilema, a cowardly act could be killing innocent people...I do not think what they did was couragous in anyway...to say that is to say that it should be done again.

in the Cambridge dictionary this is what i found:

coward
noun [C]
DISAPPROVING
a person who is easily frightened or tries to avoid danger, difficulty or pain
They branded her a coward for informing on her colleagues during the interrogation.

cowardice
noun
This attack on a defenceless elderly person is an act of pure cowardice.
You can accuse me of cowardice, but I still wouldn't volunteer to fight in a war.

cowardly
adjective
This was a particularly brutal and cowardly attack.
They are guilty of a cowardly failure to address the problem.

Maybe i should have branded their actions as cowardly or cowardice.....

****How that indicates that I sympathize with terrorists I do not know****

I never said you were a terrorist sympathizer.

****I'll let you look up "terrorist sympathizer."****

I already know what this is  :smirk:


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #879813 - 09/12/02 06:22 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

Those who flew the planes were not cowardly.

The objective was to rally the Muslim world together in order to unify against the Western evil.

How do you define the use of the #1 ranking air force to devestate a country with zero air force?

And then when using ground troops, the use of existing, dangerously unpredictable local factions are used instead of American soldiers.

I just read today that the FBI, after 9/11 gave 9,000 police cheifs a test to pass them for security clearance in order to be given information about who suspected terrorists are in their precincts. 400 have passed.

Yet, when hunting down Taliban officials, and Al Queda operatives in Afghanistan, we trust the deed to complete strangers, from fear of suffering casualties.



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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #879863 - 09/12/02 06:57 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

****Those who flew the planes were not cowardly.****

That's your opinion..i respect that...however mine differs


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #880670 - 09/12/02 03:31 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

What is cowardly about giving your life for a cause you believe in?

What is honorable about doing anything to avoid it?


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Re: The victims of Sep 11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #881092 - 09/12/02 11:07 PM (19 years, 9 days ago)

The insistence of so many people to use "cowardice" in reference to men with a cause who flew planes to their deaths, AND to interpret a challenge of that reference as justification of the act, is as clear an example as I can think of of the effectiveness of rhetoric on the masses.



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