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InvisibleTerrapin78
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what religion do you associate with
    #8760818 - 08/11/08 11:38 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i will not make this a poll because i am unable to get all the religions.  i am pagan. 



what are you?


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8760820 - 08/11/08 11:39 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

buddhist/taoist


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8760827 - 08/11/08 11:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

None


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8760828 - 08/11/08 11:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i have always been interested in Buddhism.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #8760833 - 08/11/08 11:41 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

so are you agnostic?


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8760850 - 08/11/08 11:43 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i laugh at religion, ha ha ha


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78] * 1
    #8760864 - 08/11/08 11:46 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Whatever your mom likes that particular night.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8760865 - 08/11/08 11:46 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I don't associate with any. i believe i will have one big, possibly everlasting Ego-Death trip.

my NDE at least confirmed that DMT comes on before death :thumbup: (I'm glad i didnt see Jesus or any bullshit like that)

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8760871 - 08/11/08 11:47 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I identify as atheist, with some agnostic and Buddhist tendencies according to those who I engage in religious and spiritual discussions with.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: uber_aj]
    #8760872 - 08/11/08 11:47 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I take different aspects of certain religions and apply them to my life, im a religious mutt.

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: uber_aj]
    #8760879 - 08/11/08 11:50 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Penguarky Tunguin said:
Whatever your mom likes that particular night.





wow that was mature. 


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uber_aj said:
I don't associate with any. i believe i will have one big, possibly everlasting Ego-Death trip.

my NDE at least confirmed that DMT comes on before death :thumbup: (I'm glad i didnt see Jesus or any bullshit like that)




I have never taken dmt.  i have been patiently waiting. for some time now i might add.  there is absolutely NO dmt close to me.  so i will continue to wait.  i believe i will pass on to my next life.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8760888 - 08/11/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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weiliiiiiii said:
I take different aspects of certain religions and apply them to my life, im a religious mutt.





thats awesome!  i practice traditional paganism.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8760905 - 08/11/08 11:56 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Isnt pagan just non-christian?

Anyway, Im agnostic and anti-religion.

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: DieCommie]
    #8760910 - 08/11/08 11:57 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

BUDDHISM FTW - though i wouldn't classify buddhism as a religion - more of a school of thought - spiritual nonetheless :thumbup:

Edited by blkjkrabbit (08/11/08 11:58 PM)

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8760921 - 08/11/08 11:58 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Terrapin78 said:
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weiliiiiiii said:
I take different aspects of certain religions and apply them to my life, im a religious mutt.





thats awesome!  i practice traditional paganism.




what is that, though? Wiccan style? Mystery cult style? Basic nature worship?

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: uber_aj]
    #8760964 - 08/12/08 12:10 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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uber_aj said:
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Terrapin78 said:
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weiliiiiiii said:
I take different aspects of certain religions and apply them to my life, im a religious mutt.





thats awesome!  i practice traditional paganism.




what is that, though? Wiccan style? Mystery cult style? Basic nature worship?




D. All of the above?


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8760989 - 08/12/08 12:19 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Terrapin78 said:
so are you agnostic?




There was a time when I was, but an agnostic label is such a cop out.

I would like to read into Buddhism and Taoism, but for right now I'm in the position to believe that everyone thinks that their religion is superior and correct, yet they'll never know till they take that plunge into eternity.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #8761011 - 08/12/08 12:24 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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There was a time when I was, but an agnostic label is such a cop out.




How so?  Is it a cop out to admit you dont have knowledge of if the universe was created by god or happenstance?  I dont get it...

Admitting you dont know seems humble and honest to me  :ohwell:

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #8761013 - 08/12/08 12:24 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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WakeboardrB said:
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Terrapin78 said:
so are you agnostic?




There was a time when I was, but an agnostic label is such a cop out.

I would like to read into Buddhism and Taoism, but for right now I'm in the position to believe that everyone thinks that their religion is superior and correct, yet they'll never know till they take that plunge into eternity.



maybe you're in the position to believe your opinion on them is superior and correct? and perhaps it too is false? :justdontknow:

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: DieCommie]
    #8761022 - 08/12/08 12:26 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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There was a time when I was, but an agnostic label is such a cop out.




How so?  Is it a cop out to admit you dont have knowledge of if the universe was created by god or happenstance?  I dont get it...

Admitting you dont know seems humble and honest to me  :ohwell:





well put. better to acknowledge and accept your lack of knowledge than to be proud over blind faith and pretentious reasoning :thumbup:

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #8761026 - 08/12/08 12:27 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Nah, I just don't give a shit. If I came off as thinking they were superior, it's cause I'm drunk.

I honestly don't give a shit. I treat all religion with equal disdain.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #8761042 - 08/12/08 12:31 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Nah, I just don't give a shit. If I came off as thinking they were superior, it's cause I'm drunk.

I honestly don't give a shit. I treat all religion with equal disdain.




:eatingout:  :omgawesome:  :ass2mouth:  :3some:  :dogpile:  :blowjob:  :humpme:  :eatadick:  :69:  :royalrainbow:

i can respect that :rofl2:

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8761250 - 08/12/08 01:41 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I was born and raised a Catholic but I gave up the faith long ago. I would say I loosely associate with Celtic Paganism/Christianity. There is a long history in Celtic lands of the mixing and merging of the old and new religion and those practices have had the most impact on me. I see much the same thing in a wide spectrum of cultures around the world but the Celtic is where I feel most at home, due to ancestry no doubt.

I think Maslow was right on the mark with his ideas on Peak Experience, its when an individual finds themselves in the presence of the "Numinous", this is the real basis of religion/spirituality. A direct encounter with God/Goddess/Gaia or whatever name you want to give it.

In my life I've had that happen twice, and it's the reason why I cannot honestly consider myself an atheist although I have a strong dislike for all organized religion. I was not under the influence of any psychedelics in either case, and I hope to not have such experiences ever again. Those experiences were jarring to me, not even remotely pleasant and hard to come to grips with. But they left with me with the impression that there is more to the world, to a person's life then meets the eye. I don't reject anyone's spirituality out of hand, though I would be much more comfortable with a purely rational/scientific view of the world my experience tells me thats not the whole story of being.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: AislingGheal]
    #8761450 - 08/12/08 03:17 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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what religion do you associate with




none because they are all bullshit. did you ever wonder why so many different gods share the exact same characteristics? just a mighty coincendece eh?

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #8761452 - 08/12/08 03:19 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Gnosticism as a coherent explanation of the nature of the universe.

Buddhism as a means to make peace with the Gnostic explanation...

I don't really believe in tethering myself to a religion, though, they all have something to offer.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8761471 - 08/12/08 03:25 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Somewhat of a reform jew.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: PyroBurns]
    #8761543 - 08/12/08 04:10 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

none


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #8761566 - 08/12/08 04:27 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Most likely Taoist, Shaman or Pagan.

Though there are times where I feel christian, muslim, jewish, hare krishna or buddhist, but for the most part, I identify as taoist, shaman or pagan or a combination thereof.

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #8761593 - 08/12/08 04:49 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I'm a Catholic, and I believe in some sort of divine God-like entity who is much greater than us.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8761628 - 08/12/08 05:12 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I'm a devout follower of the Church of the FSM. I've been touched by his noodly appendage and it has saved me. :thumbup:
If I had to choose a "real" label, I guess agnostic would fit. I don't know exactly how or why the Universe is here, and I've yet to see evidence compelling enough to rally behind someone else's explanation, but I'm willing to listen.

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8761713 - 08/12/08 06:11 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I do not believe in religion, but I am pro-religious.

Religion as structure, as organization, as philosophy, as knowledge, no.

But religiousness, the authentic process, the body as temple, the practice, the mystery, yes.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8761727 - 08/12/08 06:19 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Ummm...I don't know. I consider myself agnostic because I don't like making assumptions. Because I don't really know, and neither does anyone else. My family is catholic though, so I guess thats the religion I am most associated with, although I don't believe in 95% of it and I haven't been to a church in over 10 years.

Oh darn :frown:, I just gave away that I am not really a racist Christian Jesus freak. :frown:

I will still be role playing a racist Christian Jesus freak though.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #8761733 - 08/12/08 06:23 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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MisterMuscaria said:
Most likely Taoist, Shaman or Pagan.

Though there are times where I feel christian, muslim, jewish, hare krishna or buddhist, but for the most part, I identify as taoist, shaman or pagan or a combination thereof.




Religion slut. :wink:

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Brugman]
    #8761735 - 08/12/08 06:24 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

A VERY ANNOYING hippie on irc who constantly talked about his religion told me he was sikh/hindu/rastafarian/shamanistic. He was serious too.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: aDoS]
    #8761736 - 08/12/08 06:24 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I made a couple polls about this subject a while back.  The first one got a lot more hits, but here's the latter, more extensive one:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8380265#8380265


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8761782 - 08/12/08 07:07 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Agnostic with a healthy dash of Buddhism


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8761863 - 08/12/08 08:00 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Discordian!


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: DieCommie]
    #8761883 - 08/12/08 08:08 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I eat drugs and talk to archetypes.  I have no religion because there is no believing involved.  It is very confusing and I have no answers.  I prefer the lack of answers to any kind of faith however. :volcano:

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8761900 - 08/12/08 08:19 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i view god as being mother nature and me and u i believe in one god but he is everything


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8761934 - 08/12/08 08:37 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

skeptical atheist


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: nonwo]
    #8761935 - 08/12/08 08:38 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I suspect the lack of correct drug intake in the general populace has led to a lack of respect to Mother Earth and females in general. :gethigh:

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: nonwo]
    #8761937 - 08/12/08 08:40 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

God made everything, everything is god.

Be excellent to each other, because no magical being is coming down to grant wishes.

Grok?

I have no clue what you would call what i believe in.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8761942 - 08/12/08 08:44 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Agnostic with a healthy dash of Buddhism




Same here, I also take from the whole Be Here Now and The Power of Now, which works for me. It's hard to say how i feel about religions though.  I think they can really help people but at this juncture of time, i think people like being part of the superior organize religion and live and die by their word.  The fact that some people "know" the word of god is bullshit to me because how can you understand something that exists in another dimension, and is more powerful, divine, and intelligible beyond your wildest thoughts... :shrug::whatever:  The world keeps turning, i just think some people need to get their head out of their ass and get over this whole my religion is better than your religion.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Kada]
    #8761948 - 08/12/08 08:46 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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God made everything, everything is god.

Be excellent to each other, because no magical being is coming down to grant wishes.




Word up, qft.  whatever that higher power is it started creation.  But i still have no idea what god is...


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: publicenemy1]
    #8761975 - 08/12/08 09:02 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

There is no way to know. But I have a feeling it wont matter in the end as long as what you believe in is good, and you are good as you can be in life. The details wont matter at all, because a good person does not need to fear death. I don't believe in a god that sends people to a hell, but i do believe bad people will live in their own hell they make for themselves. Guilt in passing, what they could not feel in life. Something like that.

I try to live every day as a good person, but im human and i make mistakes. They are my mistakes that i will make myself pay for if i don't deal with them here and now. I treat others how i woud want to be treated, and thats damn good. Do what you will, but harm none. Not even yourself. Thats hard to live by.

I have a hard time believing anything anyone preaches. they have personnal agendas, and i will not be apart of it. The nice thing about citing god as an authority is that you can prove anything you set out to prove. [Robert A. Heinlein, from If This Goes On-]

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8762002 - 08/12/08 09:13 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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I eat drugs and talk to archetypes. 




Awesome.  I do that too.

I claim my Norse heritage.  I shy away from words like Odinism or Asatru because of their usage by racist "religious" groups.  Norse heathen reconstructionist something something sounds about right.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: anyone420]
    #8762116 - 08/12/08 09:59 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)



Agnosticism .
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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8762804 - 08/12/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I guess I'm a Pantheistic predeterminist.

In other words I believe solely in cold hard physics, evolution, emergent complexity, quantum randomness and chaos theory, but that the universe(s) has a simple 'special' origin and perhaps a purpose.

I believe that free will is ultimately an illusion.

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: aDoS]
    #8762828 - 08/12/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh darn :frown:, I just gave away that I am not really a racist Christian Jesus freak. :frown:




:rofl2:

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: sam420]
    #8762842 - 08/12/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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I believe that free will is ultimately an illusion.




After reading that, I suddenly felt obliged to stand, yank my pantaloons to my ankles, and do a little jig.
I can't believe this is what fate had in store for me. :shake:

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8762853 - 08/12/08 01:16 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I do not associate with any one religion but I do see the beauty in many religions. Taoism, Paganism, Shamanism, Buddhism primarily.

I believe in Creation of the Universe and that all things are one, we are all experiencing subjective realities of the objective, and we are all part of the whole. Our experiences combine to form the collective and physical life is a short incarnation of the soul in which we eventually return to the source from whence we came to merge with totality until "we" are ready to go out for another trip. Life was created, we are creators... and creation's goal is to perpetually evolve for eternity through life experience. So here we are.. all Gods of our own reality.. to learn and experience and evolve. We are responsibly for our own realities. Free will is a divine law.
As above, so below. The microcosm reflects the macrocosm and vica versa. An' if ye harm none, do as ye will.

But that's just my perspective, in a nutshell. I guess you could call it Shroomism, if it must be labeled. But the truth is it's more like Jeet Kune Do, in that it is formless.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Shroomism]
    #8762873 - 08/12/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Mostly Buddhism with a belief of a creator.

(not a man in the clouds)


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Psy Baba]
    #8762879 - 08/12/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

The only men in the clouds are all the aliens coming to visit :tongue2:


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Shroomism]
    #8762891 - 08/12/08 01:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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The only men in the clouds are all the aliens coming to visit :tongue2:




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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Psy Baba]
    #8762957 - 08/12/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I am against the idea of organized religion. It's just a way for people to make a buck and control others through fear. What do people fear, mostly? Death, because of its uncertainty. Religion takes those fears and turns them against you to maintain control over you.

No one really knows what happens when you die. Everyone has their guesses, and I certainly do, but I can't say anything for 100% sure, because I'm still alive.

I look at it 2 ways. When I am dead, I will either:

1. KNOW NOTHING,

or

2. KNOW EVERYTHING.

Either one is ok with me.
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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: SaulGood]
    #8762987 - 08/12/08 02:01 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

What if nothing is everything, and everything is nothing?

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Shroomism]
    #8763004 - 08/12/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Then you are redefining words :awesome:

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: DieCommie]
    #8763063 - 08/12/08 02:22 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

raised in an Irish Catholic family...

thank god i outgrew that...no one can prove one thing from another...

you don't know anything until its too late really...

there is definatley something going on out there...people are right to cling to something...it is what gives one meaning and or reasoning in life...


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8763075 - 08/12/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

My beliefs are so vague its hard to identify with just one.
I guess I sort of follow the Abrahamic tradition.
The only real special thing I do is I don't eat pork, and thats as much for health reasons as it is religious.
Beyond that, I try to help those less fortunate than myself, I help animals, try not to hurt anyone or kill anything other than mosquitoes or flies.  I try not to lie or steal.
I believe in Karma.
I may believe in reincarnation, I'm not entirely sure.  I think some people at least may.
I've practiced astral projection.  I pay close attention to my dreams, which more than once have protected me from getting arrested or getting in trouble with people.
Occasionally I read from the Bible or Koran.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8763141 - 08/12/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know... how can i tell?

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Ahimsa] * 1
    #8763153 - 08/12/08 02:47 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

You've got to go see Steve in accounting. He'll know.

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8763168 - 08/12/08 02:51 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

A little bit from column A, a little bit from column B.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8763170 - 08/12/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Ok. How do i get in contact with the man?

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Shroomism]
    #8763205 - 08/12/08 02:59 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I guess I am a Shroomist too :thumbup:


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8763214 - 08/12/08 03:02 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Agnostic.  Religious people scare me, believers don't.

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8763235 - 08/12/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Isn't your agnosticism a religion too? You have your believes, maybe you scare believers of religion! Maybe you'd scare yourself one day... lol. Then you go walking around saying i don't believe believing that i don't believe believing... crazy. I don't think that what we truly are is either believer nor non-believer. We made that. It wasn't there since the beginning. Was it? Damn.

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Ahimsa]
    #8763369 - 08/12/08 03:41 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

:rolleyes:


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: JRichter420]
    #8763403 - 08/12/08 03:55 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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what religion do you associate with




none because they are all bullshit. did you ever wonder why so many different gods share the exact same characteristics? just a mighty coincendece eh?




That's why I like them all.

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Cameron]
    #8763491 - 08/12/08 04:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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I believe that free will is ultimately an illusion.




After reading that, I suddenly felt obliged to stand, yank my pantaloons to my ankles, and do a little jig.
I can't believe this is what fate had in store for me. :shake:




You're oversimplifying or not understanding the issue here.  I believe that the illusion of free will is real to us but i said ultimately because TRUE free will is a concept without any proof whatsoever.

If you will allow me to explain myself by stating some facts, then you could attempt to dispute any one of these...

Fact 1) We are physical beings, made up of atoms and atoms alone.

Fact 2) Molecules behave according to simple physical laws.  Each and every single interaction between 2 molecules has a pre-defined result.  Chemicals do not 'think'.

Fact 3) The exception to this is of course quantum unpredictability, but here instead of certain results of atomic interaction, you have probabalistic results.

Fact 4) Our conciousness is the result and some would say by-product of billions of years of evolution. We are vast chemical machines.  There are no words to describe how complex our brains are.

Fact 5) Our personalities can be drastically altered through physical means such as chemical, magnetism, brain surgury, and changing environmental stimuli.

Attributing any magical essence or soul to ourselves is a massive UNDER-APPRECIATION of the ridiculous level of complexity of all life and the sheer drive and power of evolution.

Free-will has troubled philosophers and scientists for generations and so far nobody has found an adequate explanation for free will.  In fact there are experiments that claim to 'proove' the opposite.

I wonder if you realise that when you have a 'single thought', this is the result of a probabalistic wave-collapse of many competing thoughts that simultaneously fire across your brain.  It is like a rapid 'war of neurons'.  Your conciousness competes with itself.  You ever see somebody tricked through subconcious suggestion?  You can make somebody make a completely 'free' choice to do something if you plant the seed in their subconcious without them even realising it.  It seeps through and you make the choice because it 'feels right'.

Your brain grows based on it's outside stimulus, ie, perception, which includes living and non-living things all obeying the same laws deep down.


HOWEVER, you did a jig, and you chose to do it.  While I hope to have explained why I believe this was ultimately a result of unconcious forces, at the same time the illusion is completely real to us as human beings.  Which perhaps makes it real.  But not really :P


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: sam420]
    #8764173 - 08/12/08 06:10 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I was just being silly. :rofl2:
I agree with your logic, though I doubt our current understanding of human consciousness adequately explains the intricacies of thought process. Our decisions are definitely dependent on previous stimuli, which were determined by further previous stimuli, and all the way back to conception.
At this moment I have an almost endless array of choices from dancing naked in my living room to leaping in front of a speeding train. I can traverse any path I choose, and although my decision may ultimately rely on subconscious factors beyond 'my' conscious control, as long as I have the freedom to choose, I say: what's the difference? :shrug::tongue:

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8764247 - 08/12/08 06:21 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Terrapin78]
    #8764306 - 08/12/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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i am pagan. 
what are you?





I dont believe in religion, it's the bane of mans existence
while they believe it's their salvation, if I were to label my
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    #8764313 - 08/12/08 06:35 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: DieCommie]
    #8766246 - 08/13/08 01:16 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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I made a post about free will here [url=/forums/showflat.php/Number/8670135#Post8670135 ]http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8670135#Post8670135 [/url]; Its a little thick, but I think its real good stuff! :thumbup:

"I wont consider humans here, only free will in general. Consider emergent properties…

Emergent properties arise in complex systems when the complexity of the system reaches a point where properties emerge out that are completely different than the properties of the individual constituents. This happens in many disciplines. Art for example, a painting is just a bunch of paint molecules and parchment, but when arranged in a particular complex configuration ‘new’ properties emerge out of the painting. Feelings, emotions, lust all can emerge out of a complex arrangement of atoms. These properties cannot be determined at all by studying the individual atoms.


Emergent properties exist in science as well. There are however two different kinds of emergence, strong and weak. Weak emergence occurs when the properties that emerge out of a complex system can be had by studying the individual components. Heat is an example. For an individual atom the concept of heat has no meaning, but when you have a complex system of atoms the property of heat emerges out. Now if we knew the velocity and mass of every particle in the system we could, theoretically, determine the temperature of the system (but its easier to just use a thermometer). Strong emergence is when the properties that emerge out of a system cannot be determined from the basic constituents. Now it could be that this is a fundamental barrier that humans cant cross, we can never tie properties that emerge out of some complex systems to the basic constituent. Or perhaps we simply don’t have the theory and means to connect the emergent properties to basic interactions, but theoretically we could. One of these must be true, and there is no concrete evidence to discount either of them. Physicists, for the most part, are reductionists. They tend to think that all properties can be tied to the basic interactions of the systems constituents. Explanations of physical phenomenon tend to point downward. This is a compelling argument because huge amounts of day to day phenomenon have been explained by looking ‘downward’ and studying individual constituents.


Life however has resisted this reductionism. You cannot explain all the properties of life by looking at atoms, elementary particles, etc. Life/Biology must be studied with an ad hoc point of view. Biologists shy away from reductionism and embrace studying emergent properties at a high level without appealing to basic constituents. Maybe life can never be explained by knowing all the basic constituents; maybe the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. If that is the case then strong emergence does in fact exist.


So what if strong emergence exists? What does that have to do with free will? Well assume properties can emerge out of complex systems, then you cannot reduce the phenomenon of life or consciousness to the sum of individual constituents. So can properties that emerge out of complex systems (of which consciousness is an example) have an effect on the basic constituents? This is a radical idea. Normally one thinks that causation comes from the ‘bottom up’. That is, elementary particles make atoms, which make molecules, then on to cells, organs, organisms, communities, societies and so forth. The normal logic is that actions that occur within a society depend 100% on the elementary particles that make up the society (the basic constituents). Can a society, or any member in that chain act ‘downward’? That is, can the actions of the society or person (the strong emergent property) have a causal effect on elementary particles? The assumption is no. But that is just an assumption, there is no evidence that all causes happen at the ‘bottom’ and all effects happen at the ‘top’. Top down causality is highly non-intuitive and almost magical. Somehow properties arise from complex systems which are so strongly emergent they not only cannot be explained by their basic constituents, they can have a causal effect on their basic constituents!



There is plenty of evidence that basic constituents can have a causal effect on the system, however the jury is still out on the contrary. The universe behaves in a highly non-intuitive way, so it would be erroneous to use our intuition to try to explain the nature of causation.


If you believe in free will however, you must in turn believe in strong emergent properties with downward causation. Otherwise you are a reductionist and the evidence of upward causation implies that free will cannot exist.


I am on the fence on the issue and await more evidence. I think it is premature to claim that all causation comes from the bottom up, we just dont know."

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Interesting stuff man.  I've never thought about that before.  I'll have to brood on it for a while :P.  Great post, thanks


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Cameron]
    #8766249 - 08/13/08 01:16 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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I was just being silly. :rofl2:
I agree with your logic, though I doubt our current understanding of human consciousness adequately explains the intricacies of thought process. Our decisions are definitely dependent on previous stimuli, which were determined by further previous stimuli, and all the way back to conception.
At this moment I have an almost endless array of choices from dancing naked in my living room to leaping in front of a speeding train. I can traverse any path I choose, and although my decision may ultimately rely on subconscious factors beyond 'my' conscious control, as long as I have the freedom to choose, I say: what's the difference? :shrug::tongue:




lol, there is no difference :tongue:


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: blkjkrabbit] * 1
    #8766261 - 08/13/08 01:21 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I'm a frisbeeterian. We believe when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and you can't get it down.


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Re: what religion do you associate with [Re: Ima Trooper]
    #8767547 - 08/13/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)



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Today young men on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather.:vaped:

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