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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: Adamist]
    #878664 - 09/11/02 06:31 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

Are you talking about Enki?


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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: 1stimer]
    #878666 - 09/11/02 06:32 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

Thank you for your input.


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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: Adom]
    #878700 - 09/11/02 06:45 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

Or maybe they should learn to respect and accept other peoples opinions. Instead of fighting them off with harsh remarks.

Maybe's.... They are just like but's and if's... Useless...


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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: Fliquid]
    #879393 - 09/12/02 02:41 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

Hey I just noticed you corrected your title at my demand. Sheep.









J/K 5 shrooms for you.


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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #879405 - 09/12/02 02:48 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)



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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: Fliquid]
    #879625 - 09/12/02 04:45 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

Or maybe they should learn to respect and accept other peoples opinions. Instead of fighting them off with harsh remarks.

but dude, you are on the same level as a fundamentalist Christian...  :grin: 

and you have had an easier ride than they would get in this forum!

Anyway, you didn't say "my opinion is such and such", you said "When will you all understand? There is no god!" as if anyone who believes in God is an idiot who can't see some simple truth. If you like to put your opinion in that kind of way then be man enough to take the consequence without whining like a bitch! 


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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #879983 - 09/12/02 07:54 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

*LOL I always felt itchy in this monkey suit.


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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: Fliquid]
    #879987 - 09/12/02 07:57 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

Or maybe they should learn to respect and accept other peoples opinions. Instead of fighting them off with harsh remarks.

Maybe's.... They are just like but's and if's... Useless...


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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: Fliquid]
    #880048 - 09/12/02 08:49 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

I enter the thread, wishing to read interesting posts about Jesus. Unfortunately, i found nothing but aggressive talking, jokes and a dose of flaming.

Com'on guyz, if we r here to discuss, lets do it properly.

1) Has anyone read Kazantzakis book, "The Last Temptation" ? Perhaps you had seen it as a film. Anyway, i think he gives another approach to the whole issue. His book ends up showing that Jesus was actually the son of God, but he reaches there thru different pathways. Although i find it hard to believe in God as the Church wants Him to be, i think Kazantzakis approach is so smooth that i have to leave a chance i am wrong and He was a true son of God.

2) Has anyone read "The New Testament - Its writers and their messages" by C. F. Hunter in 1941 ? a very interesting book showing that the New Testament was written ages after the death of Jesus and a lot more.

Is there anyone who would like to have a serious discussion? Com'on! :wink: :smile:

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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: kykeon]
    #880077 - 09/12/02 09:15 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

I have no doubt Jesus was a real man.

Whether he disappeared when people recognised him or whether he could walk on water with his Adidas sandals is questionable, however  :wink:



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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: kykeon]
    #881562 - 09/13/02 09:44 AM (19 years, 9 days ago)

Has anyone read "The New Testament - Its writers and their messages" by C. F. Hunter in 1941 ? a very interesting book showing that the New Testament was written ages after the death of Jesus and a lot more.

Haven't read it. for the different books, when does it say they were written? brief summary of reasons given?



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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: mirrorsaww]
    #896828 - 09/21/02 04:51 AM (19 years, 1 day ago)

  There was no input from this thread in my mailbox so I thought that noone replied? Sorry! :smile:
Okee then. I am gonna write down some of the text in that book, so as to start a bit of discussion here :wink: blue color means that the text is exactly quoted from the book.
 
HOW WE GOT THE NEW TESTAMENT
Until the invention of printing, around A.D. 1450, every copy of the New Testament had to be written by hand. Such a manuscript is called a codex (plural: codices) and the words it contain are called its text. The original autographs of the New Testament books have perished, and though some fragmentally pieces of an earlier date have been preserved, the oldest of our great manuscripts are hardly older than about A.D. 350.

So how can this be of a problem?

VARIANT READINGS
The copyists were but human, and even a trained man was liable to make mistakes in his work. If these were not corrected, they appeared again in the next copy with additional errors introduced by that copyist, and so the text became less accurate with each successive copying, just as a story becomes less and less like the original each time is repeated. ... The most important kinds of such alterations are (a) slips made by the copyist (human errors), (b) intentional alterations (trying to make the meaning clearer or trying to emphasize some doctrine) and (c) insertions and additions (by weaving into the text some note that had been written by the previous copyist as an explanation into the margin.
 
example
 
In John vii. 53 - viii. 11, the story of the woman taken in adultery is almost certainly a true story of Jesus, but it is not found in the earliest manuscripts and was not recorded in the Gospel as John wrote it. Similarly in John v.4 the words about the angel descending into the pool were not written by John: they state the common belief current in Jerusalem as to the cause of this intermittent spring; some reader noted them in the margin and the next copyist worked them into the text.

Which are the most ancient and therefore valuable of the manuscripts?

Aleph, also called Codex Sinaiticus
found in 1844 in a monastery on Mount Sinai - some leaves had already been used for lighting fires ... the monks were pursuaded to present it to Czar of Russia ... since 1934 it is in the British Museum
A or Codex Alexandrinus - in the British Museum
B or Codex Vaticanus - in the Vatican Library
C or the Palimpset of Ephraem Syrus - at Paris, the copy has been washed off and the vellum used again for the writings of a certain Ephraem Syrus ... the original writings can be deciphed by a skilled reader and it comes out more clearly when photographed
D or Codex Bezae - at Cambridge - contains only Gospels and Acts and has a great number of insertions
W or Washington Codex often called the Freer manuscript ... remarkable for the long version of conclusion of Mark

... there are more than 2000 manuscripts / copies and all of them have more or less alterations in their texts ...

... the older the manuscript, the more accurate it might be ...

... the older manuscripts were discovered only lately (1844 for the Aleph, 1669 the Vatican version was studied ... the Authorised Version was made in 1611, long before the ancient manuscripts were discovered (!)

... somewhere about the year A.D. 60 the written Gospels began to appear ... until then Jews' teaching was preferably oral ...

lets read some of the book's passages about "Gospels"
 
Except of the titles, these three Gospels give us no clue to their authors' names; but the titles certainly represent the universal belief of the Church at a very early date, and such evidence must count for a great detail. The phrase "according to" is however a little ambiguous. It may perhaps mean that these Gospels were written by friends or disciples who followed the lines of their teaching.

AUTHORSHIP OF MARK
Papias, in "Expositions of the sayings of Jesus" (A.D. 125) wrote: "Mark, having become the interpreter of Peter, wrote down accurately - not however in order - as many as he remembered of the things either spoken or done by Jesus."
...and it is admitted almost without dispute that the second Gospel was written by Mark, and that it records the story of Jesus very much as Peter used to tell it.
problems:
The most interesting problem connected with Mark has to do with the conclusion. It is almost certain that the last twelve verses do not belong to the original Gospel and the conclusion has been lost. (1) the two oldest manuscripts, ALEF and B, break off at verse 8 though it is inconceivable that the Gospel ended with the words "For they were afraid." (2) Verses 9-20 are very unlike the rest of the Gospel in style and phrasing. One Armenian manuscript states that this passage was written by "Ariston the Presbyter", presumable because the original was missing. This man was probably a personal disciple of Jesus. (3) Some copies give quite a different and much shorter conclusion.

AUTHORSHIP OF MATTHEW
Papias on the same book: "Matthew wrote the logia in the Hebrew tongue, and every man interpreted them as he was able" - but our Matthew is in Greek and nothing is known of an earlier form of it and logia means a collection of testimonies. ... the opinion is fairly common therefore that Matthew did not write our Gospel but a little book of the sayings of Jesus which some other writer used in compiling our Gospel. ... Such a conclusion need not disturb us or lessen the value of the book. ... The tradition that either the Gospel was originally written in Hebrew is not surprising for its unquestionably the story of Jesus for Jewish readers: (1) the genealogy of Jesus is traced back to Abraham, not to Adam (2) The are continual references to Old Testament prophecies fulfilled in the life of Jesus (3) Emphasis is laid on the claim made by Jesus that He had not come to destroy the Mosaic Law, but to fulfil it (v.17-20) ... There are considerable differences between "the Sermon" in the version in Luke vi. 20-49 with that of Matthew v-vii : (1) Matthew's sermon was preached on a mountain, but Luke's on a level place (2) Luke's is much shorter and (2) Luke gives us four Beatitudes and four Woers as against Matthew's nine Beatitudes and no Woes.

AUTHORSHIP OF LUKE
[after comparison of the preface of the Acts and the Gospel and the fact that Paul mention in his Epistles a Luke who was a physician and Gentile] ... he is the most likely of Paul's companion to be the author.
Matter peculiar to Luke:
Many narratives like in section ix 51-xviii 30, are very peculiar to Luke's writing. The same happens with six of his reported miracles and eleven of his Parables.

I will stop here for now. If its important to someone, I will make a new post later on?

So the idea according to the writer of this book is that Jesus actually was the Son of the God but the New Testament is not a book someone can rely on it with his eyes closed. There are a lot of errors, intentional changes and so on.

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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: kykeon]
    #897070 - 09/21/02 11:09 AM (19 years, 1 day ago)

The Bible And Christianity - The Historical Origins


The Case Against 'The Case for Christ'


Scott Bidstrup has to be one of the coolest old gay cowboys ever.

edit: that first article is some awfully long reading, but well worth it. this guy is extremely well-researched. a friend of mine with a degree in theology even approves. in fact, she's the one who sent me the link :smile:


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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: mirrorsaww]
    #911562 - 09/27/02 05:42 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

as if anyone who believes in God is an idiot who can't see some simple truth




Not my words. Just your point of view.


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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: Fliquid]
    #912178 - 09/27/02 01:46 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I embark one the biggest journey though the bible for this .... i seriously believe that the mushroom, the bible, revelations, and sprituallity have ALOT in commen.

On mushroom trips its commen to think of these things, the course (the future) or humanity, love for fellow man, and commenly in high doeses mushrooms produce profound revelations.
For some reason mushrooms are about the future thinking, heres some example:

I don't know whos story this is, but it a great example!!

Level 4: Saints, Reptilians
Rating: 4.2 Rated by 119 people.

(Johnnyfive NOTE: Its very tricky to examine and interpret what trips are, and what they mean. In this story the the author speaks of a Reptillian race of people controlling humanity. I don't really believe that a alien race is controlling us, the ever since the 1920's there has been a force behind the everthing, molding humanity the way they want. Conspiracy theories are people who have done dirty shit for goverments and corperations alike, and don't understand why people are so irrogant to see the possiblitys of such things. In order for a New World Order to be successfull you need to set what is possible, what is impossible. What is believeable, what is unbelieveable. I for one would never challenge the coming NWO due to the fact that many people don't understand how powerfull of a force it really is. This story is a great example of how he discribes the reptillians in which they control humanity, in the same way is a great example of how the NWO is. Remember ANYTHING IS Possible!)

Ok, this is the first time I&#8217;ve ever submitted a trip report. First, some background on me, 30 year old male, 5&#8217;9&#8221;, 180 pounds. I have an extensive background in both the physical and biological sciences, have worked in labs, done research, taught the sciences. It&#8217;s been approximately 4 years since I last tripped and I grew recently for the first time. I ordered Mazatapecs from Sporeworks and I grew using the PF tek; 1 month later had my first flush.


At 10:30pm (T-0), I consumed what I estimate to be 10 grams (dry weight) of caps and stems from my first flush - which I thought would be enough for a Level 5 experience. I initially intended to do my dose without Syrian Rue, since I had recently tried DMT (extracted via lemon juice and boiling from mimosa hostilis) and Syrian Rue and I had found the experiences to be demanding and somewhat harsh. I thought that adding Rue to my first psilocybin experience in years might alter the experience in a direction I didn&#8217;t want to go in but I wasn&#8217;t sure if I wouldn&#8217;t use it later if the trip wasn&#8217;t as intense as I wanted it to be. At around 11:15pm, I began to feel the first effects of the psilocybin but since I was anxious and thought the experience was weaker than expected (despite my huge dose!) - to be fair, my expectations were high - I decided to ingest 5 grams of ground Syrian Rue via 00 size gelcaps.


It was a rather warm, raining night for winter so I decided to go for a walk to the local park (I live in Manhattan). Once there I felt the typical trippy feelings of noticing the vivaciousness of nature, the sky and sharp colors everywhere, but all in all it wasn&#8217;t very visual. By the time I left the park, at around 12am, I noticed the quality of the experience had changed and had become less light-hearted and more serious, it felt somewhat like my DMT experiences, so I thought that the Syrian Rue was now working and MAO inhibition was in effect - since it was about 45 minutes since I had ingested the Rue. As this happened, I noticed that a particular bank of clouds - or rather mist since they weren&#8217;t more than 100 feet from the ground - rising from the water that lay pooled on the streets seemed to almost have an intelligent quality, something in its movements seemed to indicate a pattern at work, a deliberate conscious pattern. I noticed that this mist seemed to be following me overhead: when I stopped to look up, other clouds behind this one cloud would continue to move, but the cloud that I had been noticing just hovered over me and ceased to move with the rest of the sky. It was very strange, I felt as if I were being followed by the cloud.


Anyway, I didn&#8217;t make too much out of all this. I got back home, walked my dog and after returning made a few phone calls, one of which was to my girlfriend to describe what I was feeling - trippy types of observations on life. After I hung up with her, I just sat in the darkness of my living room and I just thought about things. At around 1:15am, as I was sitting there, I seemed to realize or be cognizant of some other presence in my mind, probing and violating it. I was shocked and it seemed as if a huge epiphany had been revealed to me - I jumped up and I just knew that this &#8216;presence&#8217; wasn&#8217;t something new, it was something that had always been there and that it somehow was being revealed to me - either by its own will or through the conduit of the psilocybin and MAO-I I had ingested that evening. At this point, I felt that I had to resist, that something wrong was being done to me and had been done to me for much if not all of my life. I was very frightened, but determined to resist - even though I wasn&#8217;t sure how I was supposed to resist all I knew was that resisting was imperative.


(Johnnyfive NOTE: This is a great example of people who trip, believe that a veil of clarity is releveled before them. A great example is timothy leary, after his mushroom trip he was conviced with out any dought, that he found something to big to be simply controlled by a few, so he would spread the message of psychedelics.)


As this was happening, I somehow managed to gain insights into the presence that was probing me, I felt - rather than thought - that it was a very sophisticated - both technologically and intellectually - that it was very old, malevolent and reptilian in form, that feeling kept coming over and over - reptilian, it is reptilian. I felt that it saw me as prey and that somehow mankind was under its rule - being manipulated, controlled, infiltrated and destroyed by this reptilian race. I felt that this presence had great power over us, that our DNA was controlled by it, our cities built according to its designs and that its civilization spanned what seemed to be billions of planets and uncountable organisms. I have worked at labs with mice and I could feel that it perceived me in the same way that a human scientist sees a lab mouse and that frightened me the most. I called up my gf and told her what I was feeling and she immediately noticed that I was very passionate about what I was describing even if she couldn&#8217;t quite understand. I told her that there were &#8216;powerful and unseen forces at play around us all the time that we couldn&#8217;t perceived.&#8217;


As all of this was happening, I started to lose touch with reality completely, I entered some astral realm and I was being told the great secrets of existence which I couldn&#8217;t reason with and as this was happening I continually repeated &#8216;I understand&#8217; out loud over and over. I began to tell my gf on the phone what I was experiencing, about how I felt the presence of great Saints like Buddha, Mohammed, Jesus, Guru Nanak Dev, Mata Amritanandamayi in this place and I nearly started crying as I felt with great tenderness how these noble souls had realized what the Universe was and somehow tried to order it and explain/share it with the rest o f us. In this place, where the only tie I had with my life was my gf on a cell phone, that was somehow the creative matrix of all life, I also realized that all these great Saints had all known about the reptilians among us that somehow their teachings were designed to empower humans to throw off the yoke of our slavery and that somehow pop-culture was a reptilian plot to distract humans from the fact of our slavery so that we could not evolve spiritually and be free.

(Johnnyfive NOTE: "Psychedelics are not illegal because it endangers your sanity. psychedelics are illegal because it endangers Control. Worse, it makes authority seem funny. But laugh at authority in America and you will know risk. Psychedelics are illegal primarily because it threatens the dominant American culture, the culture of Control. " Corperations are enslaving us, we can't see this. My favorite movie motto is from the matrix : Morphus says: They have built a mental prison around you, and MANY will fight to keep it that way. )


I also felt that somehow my gf needed to be here with me, I felt in particular the presence of Mata Amritanandamayi (www.ammachi.org), perhaps the greatest living saint on our planet and someone from whom I had twice received her blessings (darshan) in person. It seemed Mataji was calling out to me and my gf and that we needed to be there together with her. I felt that Mataji had been fighting to free us humans from the reptilians and that she was calling out to us. I also felt the soul of my dog was somehow involved in this. So I was going to drive down to my gf&#8217;s apt. but I knew if I did I would die and that something wanted me to do this. I never felt the line between life and death was thinner than at this point. My gf told me that she would come to me, but it was maybe 3-4am in the morning and it wasn&#8217;t safe and I for some reason knew that &#8216;they&#8217; would try to stop her. Then perhaps the strangest things started happening, I hung up the phone with my gf and we were still able to talk. She was transmitting her feelings to me and I to her. We talked a lot about Mataji and how she was telling me things about us, about our souls, our destinies that she and I would protect my gf as she took the subway to my apt. I knew that nothing could happen to her, that if something did, she should call for me (without the phone) and I would help her. We have never communicated in this manner and my gf who was a real skeptic about these things no longer doubts me - as she felt this telepathy between us for hours and even after the fact acknowledges it.

(JohnnyFive NOTE: For some reasons or another psyhedelics enamble subconsieous telepathy usally this is the presents of DMT, but hell our bodies contain DMT so we have this natural ability, its all about learning how to use find it, focus it, and use it.)

As this was happening, I was in the bathroom of my apt. and I knew that this was just the cusp of my abilities, I started talking to my dog and she began to reveal her loneliness to me (my other dog just recently passed away), she told me that she considered my other dog her husband and was very committed to him, that she felt very much alone without him, she also revealed her low self-esteem to me that she had a self image of her being deformed and ugly (she&#8217;s a pedigreed and very pretty dog) and that she was always frightened that me and my gf would one day eat her - this was her greatest fear - she was very scared about her flesh being consumed and she told me that she wanted to be treated with respect and dignity. She also told me that she knew about the reptilians and she feared them too and she wanted to join me in my fight against them. As I was thinking about them, she was transmitting me to me that we should go and eat them - which I thought was kind of cute - this little dog being so fierce and so herself about such a powerful foe. But I also knew that the reptilians weren&#8217;t the enemy either, that there was much they didn&#8217;t know about existence and that they were arrogant about their knowledge and tried to present themselves as omniscient but in actuality were far from understanding everything, that they experienced doubt and confusion too.


At this point, I got out of the bathroom and the thought came to me that I should be naked and I ripped off my clothes and sat down and completely lost touch with any semblance of reality and my mind began to wander through these interminable loops of thought concerning the nature of the universe, the reptilians, how I could never return to my daily existence after this knowledge, how human beings had to stick together, that we were a family and huge underdogs in this cosmic drama, that many of our notions about life were erroneous and deluded, that our preoccupations with our bodies was keeping us from our true wealth as humans, how I was somehow very much involved in this struggle against the reptilians, how humanity was in for very difficult times ahead and that we had to be strong.

(JohnnyFive NOTE: I trully believe that our normal state of mind is anything but normal. We have brainwashed, and most people don't see, and may never see it.)


As this was all happening, I realized that I desperately needed help from my gf that I needed her to be here with me and I could feel her call out to many times that she was scared and in trouble (she met many crazies in the subway who tried to scare her but never came close to doing anything to her) and I let her know that I was there with her. The next thing I knew was that I was on my bed and she had walked into my apt., I don&#8217;t know how long had passed or what had happened in the last 40 minutes or so. She was shocked to find me naked, rocking my body back and forth on my bed and repeating &#8216;reptilians&#8217; over and over while gasping as if I had been holding my breath for a long time.


(JohnnyFive NOTE: You can never take anything in a dream or a trip as face value and total truth. Dreaming and tripping are only full of hidden meaning, they have many HIDDEN meanings its up to you to figure it out. Just like dreaming is crazy, tripping is crazy, but there always hidden meaning.)

A lot of strange things happened during this experience and I&#8217;m not going to say anything other than what it felt like to me. I have never had a UFO fetish and I have never been one for UFO conspiracy theories, that stuff just has never interested me. This experience has changed all this and for my gf it has drastically altered her world-view because she felt evidence of pararnormal abilities when we were communicating without our phones.
I have never had a ET-related experience of this sort using entheogens and I don&#8217;t know what to make of this one.


I&#8217;m not afraid to ask questions and I&#8217;ve tried to be humble enough to learn from the answers and to be open-minded enough to accept that anything is possible. I&#8217;m going to keep searching for answers and I&#8217;m going to keep meditating - because this experience has taught me that this discipline is somehow all-important. I wish everyone else luck in their search for answers.


JohnnyFive NOTE: If you read the bible or any religous text by word face value it doesn't make sense. But its up to you to interprit what it means! If you can notice they are all very similar subjects dreaming/tripping (tripping is only a waking dream) spirituality are all CLOSE subjects in relation. Many religous books are about visions and dreaming.

Im out to prove jesus, has nothing to do with the external forms of god. ill post in the future, more about this subject.


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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: Fliquid]
    #912284 - 09/27/02 02:33 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

as if anyone who believes in God is an idiot who can't see some simple truth

Not my words. Just your point of view.

I probably shouldn't even go back over this nonsense...

Yes, that is just my opinion of your attitude.

But if that's the conclusion I came to myself, it is possible that you are putting your own point of view in such a way that makes it likely people will come to that conclusion about your attitude. (even if that is a misunderstanding)


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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: kykeon]
    #912413 - 09/27/02 03:56 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You haven't said when the author reckons the Gospels were written. My own opinion of the Gospels is that much is not historical reality. Maybe some real history is put in a disguised way... maybe not.  The parables of Jesus would seem likely to be authentic. PLEASE NOTE: I am not saying there is not much historical truth in the Bible... just that I don't think much is accurately known about the life of jesus himself. The stories told about his life were likely intended as teaching stories or to put him on the level with the prophets of old, i.e. - the miracles.

I don't think it should matter to anyone at all when they were written... who cares?

A far more interesting debate is the truth or otherwise of the theology that Paul and the early Church built on the life of Jesus. It is often said that it is a misrepresentation of his teaching. Theology is by necessity more difficult to understand than a parable, so I don't think we should rush to make judgements on that question. A symbol is just a symbol. If there is reality behind the symbol then the symbol itself has reality.

Wouldn't it be weird if Christianity had actually got it right! :grin:

you never know... the world IS a strange place! 


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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: mirrorsaww]
    #914159 - 09/28/02 04:24 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

No its your opinion about your assumption of my possible attitude.


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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: Fliquid]
    #915979 - 09/29/02 12:02 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I will also say that ... IF a long haired man named jesus did exist. He was probibily a guy who eat a mushroom, gained insights into the abusive roman empires rule. And he spoke like he was a phisopher, he was spawning a rebellion agianst roman empire. So they silenced him.

The strangest thing is that ... even today we the people are locked up for the use of ethogens. And the NWO is very much like, or will soon be very much like the Roman empire. Even the roman empire was rulers of the globe at one time! And soon to be the same with the nwo.


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Re: New topic. There is no jesus! [Re: johnnyfive]
    #918503 - 09/30/02 03:03 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You left out the part that is supposed to explain the miracle part...  :smirk: 


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