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Re: reality theory [Re: Sclorch]
    #906436 - 09/25/02 04:37 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Two things exist: Chaos and Order.
They exist simultaneously.
That is all.


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Re: reality theory [Re: Shroomism]
    #907065 - 09/25/02 01:07 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I would agree with that...


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Re: reality theory [Re: Shroomism]
    #907089 - 09/25/02 01:26 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

Two things exist: Chaos and Order.
They exist simultaneously.
That is all.





How much of there is each?

I'm of the opinion that there are more parts order than chaos.


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Re: reality theory [Re: pattern]
    #907092 - 09/25/02 01:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

How much of there is each?

There really is no way to know.


I'm of the opinion that there are more parts order than chaos.

Do you base this on your experiences with the puny rock called Earth?


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Re: reality theory [Re: Sclorch]
    #907108 - 09/25/02 01:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

>>How much of there is each?
>
> There really is no way to know.

How do you know that?

> Do you base this on your experiences with the puny rock called Earth?

Yes!




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Re: reality theory [Re: pattern]
    #907118 - 09/25/02 01:46 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

How do you know that?

DUH! The Invisible Hopping Salamanders informed me of this truth....
Actually, it's because it would be impossible to measure the state of the universe... unless you're that "God" thing.

Do you base this on your experiences with the puny rock called Earth?

Yes!


Fair enough.


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Re: reality theory [Re: Sclorch]
    #907245 - 09/25/02 02:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

> Actually, it's because it would be impossible to measure the state of the universe... unless you're that "God" thing.


ya lost me


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Re: reality theory [Re: 1stimer]
    #907266 - 09/25/02 02:51 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

> theoretically couldn't you create a program
> that emulates our universe, if the
> computer was powerfull enough, using ones and zeros

the computer would be bigger than the universe: it would be holding a complete representation of the universe inside it.

in other words: no.


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Re: reality theory [Re: pattern]
    #907558 - 09/25/02 05:08 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

theoretically couldn't you create a program that emulates our universe?

"it would be holding a complete representation of the universe inside it.

in other words: no."

what do you mean no. you just said yes in saying it would be a complete representation of the universe.
the computer would emulate a universe where computers exist in it that emulate a universe where computers exist in it that emulate the universe etc....
thats just one way of looking at it. whos to say that if you created a program with the laws of physics in a space with infinite energy that after 100000000000000 years of the program running a universe would unfold with matter and things that are familiar to us now like sound, light, etc.. differernt representations of energy. hte program wouldn't necessarily emulate our universe but unfold a different one.

also i dont believe in chaos. chaos is a term used to explain not understanding the reasons for something happening. when something happens it was caused by something else and so on into infinite complexity untill there are so many forces at work that it seems chaotic. just cause we as humans dont understand everything doesn't mean chaos exists.


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Re: reality theory [Re: 1stimer]
    #907797 - 09/25/02 07:17 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

> what do you mean no. you just said yes

i said no.  why?  i dont think such a computer is possible. 

if you do, go build one.  build a time machine too while you are at it.  :tongue:


> chaos is a term used to explain not understanding the reasons for something happening

chaos is used to describe accumulating effects of randomness. 

perhaps, since you dont understanding chaos, you assume it is order.

>  just cause we as humans dont understand everything doesn't mean chaos exists.

so, you understand everything, and know that chaos doesnt exist? lol


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Re: reality theory [Re: pattern]
    #908088 - 09/25/02 09:31 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

" i dont think such a computer is possible."
thats not what i was asking. it is possible to design a program but to get a computer strong enough to run it is another thing. thats why is said theoretically and its not implausible, just limited by computer technology that by the way is increasing greatly everyday.

if chaos exists then prove it.
I'm not saying i know everything but i am saying that chaos sounds alot like a religion deriving gods to explain something you cant comprehend.


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Re: reality theory [Re: 1stimer]
    #908726 - 09/26/02 01:44 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

we could argue forever ad nausem.  :frown:

instead i have a post u might like to read.  :smile:

the pattern in reality



 


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Re: reality theory [Re: 1stimer]
    #908941 - 09/26/02 02:54 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Order and Chaos = Matter and anti-matter.


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Re: reality theory [Re: Shroomism]
    #909243 - 09/26/02 07:27 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Order and Chaos = Matter and anti-matter.

What the hell?
Put the spliff down, chief. That makes no sense whatsoever...


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Re: reality theory [Re: Shroomism]
    #909573 - 09/26/02 01:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Without order nothing can exist...
Without chaos nothing can evolve.


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Re: reality theory [Re: Adamist]
    #909603 - 09/26/02 01:20 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Without order nothing can exist...
Without chaos nothing can evolve.


Gawd... that is such a great line. Mad props.


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Re: reality theory [Re: Adamist]
    #909877 - 09/26/02 03:11 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

well put


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Re: reality theory [Re: Adamist]
    #913520 - 09/27/02 11:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

there is always some kind of order to chaos.
evolution doesn't occur randomly. things cause it. survival of the fittest. its not random chaos.


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Re: reality theory [Re: 1stimer]
    #914665 - 09/28/02 01:04 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Says you...


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Re: reality theory [Re: Sclorch]
    #915667 - 09/28/02 09:57 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

obviously. whats your point?


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