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OfflineSubbedhunter420
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New psilocybes are spreading
    #8738616 - 08/07/08 11:43 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I found a third, yes, third patch of ps. species at a local park in the hedges next to a toddler's playground. In order to keep kids safe, I took them away.

It seems that they are definitely not an isolated case down here. The only surprising thing is that they grow in one kind of woodchip. And thats the really bleached out, white woodchips.


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8740369 - 08/07/08 07:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

haha badass

"In order to keep kids safe, I took them away."

you are a true hero


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: templeton1]
    #8740377 - 08/07/08 07:11 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

excellent , congratulations , :yesnod:
could they make to tijuana . cross my fingers .


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: cactu]
    #8809672 - 08/22/08 06:21 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hello I am new here . My first post is a pic of Psilocybe subaeruginascens var. septentrionalis from northern Japan. I am doing some research on the Psilocybe subaeruginascens complex and I am very interested in the finds of Subbedhunter420 and Alteredstates from southern California.




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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: nightflyer]
    #8809679 - 08/22/08 06:24 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Nice picture, that is a particularly beautiful variant. What sort of research are you carrying out?


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: nightflyer]
    #8809711 - 08/22/08 06:43 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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nightflyer said:
Hello I am new here . My first post is a pic of Psilocybe subaeruginascens var. septentrionalis from northern Japan. I am doing some research on the Psilocybe subaeruginascens complex and I am very interested in the finds of Subbedhunter420 and Alteredstates from southern California.







Welcome to the Shroomery.  I am delighted you are here.  If you would, it is customary to create a new thread for things like this.

Thanks.  :peace:


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #8811675 - 08/22/08 02:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Nightflyer, thanks for this photo. It is one of the better ones I've seen and comes closer to what we've seen in San Francisco Bay Area. I'd like to see this photo get on the wiki page for comparison, as most of the photos are from San Francisco.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_subaeruginascens

and most of the macro shots are my photos here > 

http://mushroomobserver.org/7112



You can see how close this is, except, in SF there's a bit more of a nipple, and the annulus isn't quite so prominent here. It seem like the ones in Southern California are a bit further away from both of these, but could still be sub strains in development/adaptation

and subbedhunter, did you ever try those you found down there?  was it shocking?...hehe


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: auweia]
    #8811769 - 08/22/08 03:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Here is another photo of Ps. subaeruginascens from Japan, completely different. Very strange!



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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: auweia]
    #8811877 - 08/22/08 03:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, those look a little closer to the first find back in 2004 which Curecat has documented.
The pins also look very dark which which is similar to what I found in SF. I've never seen any other species around San Francisco with pins as black as these, and then they get lighter as they mature. There is another thread here where Peter Werner describes some microscopic differences (see related threads at bottom). I think slightly different spore shape and the SF variety, the spores are lighter in color than the Japanese variety.

From what I understand, there is not very much documentation from japan, and I think Werner was going from a very old herbarium collection, so these new photos help a lot.

Both of your photos could be similar to the ones on the Wiki page (SF Bay Area), but from two different collections. It's only been seen 4 or 5 times in SF so far, and only once in Southern Caifornia (this thread)


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: auweia]
    #8812573 - 08/22/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Great find guys. I don't wanna spam but as this is really rare pls spread some prints. Share them with ppl you trust. I'm afraid as quite a noob I don't qualify. xD

Anyways interesting to see they grow in Cali. Somehow I had in mind they only grew in Japan.


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: spacel0rd]
    #8812810 - 08/22/08 07:51 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I agree. As it stands now, this is one of the rarest of them all. I did get one print to Alan Rockefeller once and one guy in Zurich. The guy in Zurich may be able to get a DNA analysis done, which really might be needed because we just don't have much to work with yet.

Notice in the two photos from Japan it's described as two variations. It's been mentioned before, but not with photos until now. There could be a 3rd variation now in Southern California. It's possible it could qualify as a new species.

I'll give you an example that Workman once told me. It's one of those frustrating things about this being international. He said that everything he looked at so far would indicate Subaeruginascens, if they came from Japan, but they didn't, they came from California, and this is what is making everybody say 'WTF?'

it also prompts closer scrutiny, and that's when they started noticing some differences between the Japan varieties and the California varieties

a couple of things..the ones in San Francisco I found, have a distinct and stronger smell than the cyanescens we are used to here, more of a pure psilocybe smell. They are more potent than cyans. They have a different consistency than cyans to the point where they almost snap like celery when you pick them. You can actually hear the snap when you pick these..More brittle at the stem than cyans, but less dense..Sort of like bamboo.
Alan Rockefeller demonstrated that this species exhibits bluing down to near the basidia level, cellular level,  which would be microscopic bluing, something not well documented for any active species. He has photos of that from a specimen I gave him once from this very same patch posted here.

Part of the problem between California and Japan is the seasonal changes. I spent a year in Korea and that's close enougn to Japan to know that the seasons are almost the exact opposite.
Japan is hot humid summers, cold snowy winters. In Japan the season is in summer. In California the season is in winter, because the summers are desert dry, while the winters are mild and wet...Except for these Subaeruginascens, which is truely and enigma here.

Not only are these or a related type showing up in the dead of summer in California, about as far OUT of season as you can possibly get, even if it's watered, most other finds , including in Northern California have been well AFTER the normal season has finished for most other speciea.

The patch I found this year started in March, after all the nearby 'normal' stropharias had finished.

So if this is Subaeruginascens and it's adapting here in California, it's adapting in a most ingenious way, skirting the very edges of the seasons on the other side of the Pacific ocean. It almost seems like it has it's foot in the door and is naturally hanging on for dear life and changing and a dapting as a result. It's like "adapt or die'. These changes are what might make it a new species. There are already a few hints of that with the slightly different spore shape and color


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: auweia]
    #8812918 - 08/22/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

2005 subaeruginascens find, San Francisco Bay Area...Only the 2nd out of 4 finds ever in San Francisco (the first was 2004)



Long story short, this spot got famous..erm, infamous, so I dug it all up and now it's scattered all over the SF Bay Area in maybe 50 different places now. Nothing has fruited since then but I'll be darned...most of it (mycelium) still is growing after all this time

Never seen anything like this before.Never seen any mushroom this determined to survive before. Cyan patches can come and go, but this...jeeez


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: auweia]
    #8815472 - 08/23/08 12:17 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I have 4 beds growing, 6 cardboard spawns, 4 quart jars of woodchips/stem butts and 2 jars with very advanced colonization. They love douglas fir woodchips. The dyed red ones. They grow at almost the rate of the pan. subbalteatus I have worked with. I have pictures from the last several weeks of them Id like to share.


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8815534 - 08/23/08 12:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)





These are the chips they came from. Actually every planter I find them in is these woodchips. But certainly not the only thing they grow on!


They can get really big I realized. Alteredstates palm was almost eclipsed by that cap.




Ive been watching them flush constantly for over a month now. The two patches i still go to have been fruiting non stop. The third we ripped up and moved. It was at the Villa and we dont wanna go there anymore.

I believe that if all goes well, they should continue fruiting into the fall. The temps here are gonna maintain probably. I also want to note, They seem to be able to stand EXTREME temps and sulight. its been over a 100 degrees multiple days and the patch I planted in my yard has been regrowing and i just put on more chips because the mycelium was peeking to the top.


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8815733 - 08/23/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8819118 - 08/24/08 07:34 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Are all the beds and places where you find them watered?  (Sprinkler?)


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: auweia]
    #8819132 - 08/24/08 07:41 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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2005 subaeruginascens find, San Francisco Bay Area...Only the 2nd out of 4 finds ever in San Francisco (the first was 2004)



Long story short, this spot got famous..erm, infamous, so I dug it all up and now it's scattered all over the SF Bay Area in maybe 50 different places now. Nothing has fruited since then but I'll be darned...most of it (mycelium) still is growing after all this time

Never seen anything like this before.Never seen any mushroom this determined to survive before. Cyan patches can come and go, but this...jeeez




Wow.


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8819348 - 08/24/08 09:23 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

second that emotion Mr. Mushrooms! WOW!!! auweia- right on man - spread out, hope the myc lives on and on.


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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: sprout70]
    #8820026 - 08/24/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

subaeruginescens is my new favorite!!! props to you subbedhunter on spreading that mycelium!!!!:thumbup::thumbup:
there are subbs growing in my area but i have yet to find them. i figured they only flush in the spring so i havent been looking that hard. but if your finding 'em this late in the summer i should get my stoned ass off the couch and go hunt.
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Re: Subaeruginascens are spreading [Re: notorius gib]
    #8820161 - 08/24/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

that patch is incredible.


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