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America & The British Commonwealth
    #8733708 - 08/06/08 01:12 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Does anyone here think The USA should apply to become a member of the british commonwealth of nations? If America were a commonwealth nation it would be politically independent. The only difference would be would be that America would get to go to various social functions and sporting events involving commonwealth nations. I think it would be fun. Does anyone agree?

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Re: America & The British Commonwealth [Re: lines]
    #8733789 - 08/06/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: America & The British Commonwealth [Re: HeadTrip420]
    #8734321 - 08/06/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

no... and we should tell the UN to go pound sand up their ass, too.


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Re: America & The British Commonwealth [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8734388 - 08/06/08 03:15 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

> and we should tell the UN to go pound sand up their ass, too.

Rather vulgar, but I agree.


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Re: America & The British Commonwealth [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8734400 - 08/06/08 03:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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no... and we should tell the UN to go pound sand up their ass, too.




The commonwealth of nations is not a political entity. It is a social club.

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Re: America & The British Commonwealth [Re: Seuss]
    #8734410 - 08/06/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Really?  Any reason in particular?

I was sort of joking, but I do think the US should keep its sovereignity above all things.


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Re: America & The British Commonwealth [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8734421 - 08/06/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Being a commonwealth nation would not end American sovereignty, America would still be sovereign. The only difference would be that America would be a part of a wider global family and America would gain a sense of having a deeper historical heritage.

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Re: America & The British Commonwealth [Re: lines]
    #8734435 - 08/06/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

But the member nations still talk about goals and ways to acheive them, don't they?

World peace, ending poverty, and extending democracy are all things I agree with, but it seems like the bigger a government body gets, the less competent they are and able to achieve such things.  These country leaders are clueless enough just running their own countries, let alone trying to talk things over and achieve common goals of all the countries.


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Re: America & The British Commonwealth [Re: Seuss]
    #8734451 - 08/06/08 03:28 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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> and we should tell the UN to go pound sand up their ass, too.

Rather vulgar, but I agree.




I thought there was room for some more vulgarity myself. :shrug:


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Re: America & The British Commonwealth [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8734479 - 08/06/08 03:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

From Wikipedia:

"The Commonwealth of Nations, usually known as the Commonwealth, is a voluntary association of 53 independent sovereign states"

"No one government in the Commonwealth, British or otherwise, exercises power over the others"

"Rwanda (since 2003), Sudan, Algeria, Madagascar and Yemen have applied to join the Commonwealth, and there was some interest expressed by Israel (being formerly administered by the United Kingdom) and the Palestinian National Authority."

"A multi-sports championship called the Commonwealth Games is held every four years, in the same year as the Winter Olympic Games. As well as the usual athletic disciplines, the games include sports popular in the Commonwealth such as bowls and netball."

"The Commonwealth is also useful as an international organisation that represents significant cultural and historical links between wealthy first-world countries and poorer nations with diverse social and religious backgrounds. The common inheritance of the English language and literature, the common law, and British systems of administration all underpin the club-like atmosphere of the Commonwealth."

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Re: America & The British Commonwealth [Re: lines]
    #8734520 - 08/06/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I know, I read the Wikipedia page just a few minutes ago.  But you left out the part that I was curious about:

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No one government in the Commonwealth, British or otherwise, exercises power over the others, as in a political union. Rather, the relationship is one of an international organisation through which countries with diverse social, political, and economic backgrounds are regarded as equal in status, and co-operate within a framework of common values and goals, as outlined in the Singapore Declaration.[1] These include the promotion of democracy, human rights, good governance, the rule of law, individual liberty, egalitarianism, free trade, multilateralism, and world peace,[2] and are carried out through multilateral projects and meetings, as well as the quadrennial Commonwealth Games.




I wonder how they accomplish these goals?  I'm wondering what measures they take.  I didn't vote for any representatives from my region to speak on my behalf at their meetings, so I was wondering what kind of projects they work on.


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Re: America & The British Commonwealth [Re: pothead_bob]
    #8734691 - 08/06/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Those meetings are places for ambassadors to speak to one another in a spirit of friendship. Unelected USA officials also go to similar meetings at the UN. The difference between the commonwealth and the UN is that their is no governing body within the commonwealth that seeks jurisdiction over the commonwealth. One of the rules of being a member of the commonwealth is that you have to be a sovereign nation. The UN on the other hand has established jurisdiction over various european nations where it exercises real power. The UN has legislated various laws into existence in europe for instance. The commonwealth is unable to do this because it has no governing body. I agree that the USA should leave the UN. I think their is a danger that the UN can become a totalitarian globalist entity. However I do think an international forum is necessary given the international nature of the economy and the communications systems. So I think it would make sense to join the commonwealth so that America has an international forum where it can communicate in the spirit of friendliness and where it can be safe from UN globalists who seek to dominate the USA. International forums are necessary to establish understanding between nations to prevent war however the UN should not be where we do that because of its totalitarian tendencies. Instead we should join the commonwealth where nations can be friends with one another in a warm environment and where we play sports with another and have other social functions which are fun.

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Re: America & The British Commonwealth [Re: lines]
    #8734754 - 08/06/08 04:22 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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lines said:
The only difference would be that America would be a part of a wider global family and America would gain a sense of having a deeper historical heritage.





I'm very against anything referred to as 'global' unless it's a
company delivering my office supplies, as for a deeper sense of
history... how would they achieve that, didnt americas history
come over on the mayflower and exterminate the other history of
america to make some of their own 'new world' history, surely by
joining this british commonwealth we arent assigned additional
history to be added to our text books because america has been
pretty good at making the stuff up as it stands

I like girls so I dont think I wanna be in your 'he-man woman haters club'

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Re: America & The British Commonwealth [Re: lines]
    #8734785 - 08/06/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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One of the rules of being a member of the commonwealth is that you have to be a sovereign nation.




so the injuns can in fact join or are redskins forbidden?

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Re: America & The British Commonwealth [Re: lines]
    #8734791 - 08/06/08 04:27 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Okay, I'll buy that.  Leave the UN and join the commenwealth. 

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and where it can be safe from UN globalists who seek to dominate the USA




and not to mention how those socialist bastards are constantly redistributing wealth from first world countries to wastelands through IMF loans that never get repaid and end up being absorbed by the beurocrats ruling said country.  Or so I read, anyways.


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