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HELP ID............ Think there SUBS
    #8730488 - 08/05/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Habitat:
we found these on freshly sodded grass in and around our new home depot

Gills:
The color is a rusty purpleISH color, they are close together with tears of gills i think like 2 sets

Stem:
they were thin stems and not very big caps but I have seen thin stem subbs. the longest we found was prolly 4 inches

Cap:its a goldish tan, some of them have a darker ring around the edge of the cap, they are all a little different in size and shape

Spore print color:
Black

Bruising:
have not noticed any bruising


I finally think i found the subbs, I took someones advice on were to look for them and BINGO i hope
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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8730519 - 08/05/08 06:55 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I think you finally found subbs too :smile:
(as long as spore print is black)

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: Dishez]
    #8730622 - 08/05/08 07:10 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

yeah i have checked out a couple of the spore prints and they are black but its not as dark as the spore prints on the picture for the Subheadhunters 420 guide to finding subbs, but they are also pretty dry when i picked them and i did not put any water on them but just setting a few caps on white paper, they def. leave a black print!

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8730903 - 08/05/08 08:02 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

if its black pan subbs, if its not black its pan foes... You can eat both safely but only the subbs will make you trip

also Subbs are Panaeolus subbalteatus

Subs are Psilocybe subaeruginascens


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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: implee]
    #8730930 - 08/05/08 08:09 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

well what color are the pan foe's? I was also wondering what the best way to dry these are? I have them layed out in my dresser with a fan blowing on them with an AC going. What is a good dose amount for like a level 3 trip and can you eat them wet or are they not as potent??

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8730986 - 08/05/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Dont put them right under the AC because ac's produce condensation, but under a fan is good :laugh:

You can sit them inside your computer case on something as long as they arent touching anything except the bottom.


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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8731249 - 08/05/08 09:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

ok I am going to take a good spore sample tonight and see how she looks in the mourning, yeah i dont have them anywere near the ac but have a fan blowing on them.Either way both types are edible? and if these are foes does that mean I could be close to subbs? sorry for being a newb

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8731643 - 08/05/08 11:06 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah man foes and subbs look almost exactly the same and they grow in the same place side by side (subb/foe experts can tell the difference easily though apparently) foes arent poisonous but they arent exactly edible... So if you eat them nothing happens  but you wont get  sick..

Check out the subbed hunters subb guide http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7008112#7008112

Also, if it looks like a subb or foe and it grows on a lawn it probably wont be poisonous or deadly BUT poisonous and deadly mushrooms can grow in or around lawns, so make sure its at least a foe/subb before you eat it

Good luck and have fun :laugh:

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: implee]
    #8732274 - 08/06/08 03:30 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Man thanks for all of your help. I have taken a few pics to show the spore print and maybe someone could confirm PAN or FOE??

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8732291 - 08/06/08 03:43 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Well some look jet black if they are then you got subbs, it should be easier for you to tell though

Also some people say if you get a black sharpie and mark it right next to it, the will be the same color, as you can see foes have a browner tint

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: implee]
    #8732301 - 08/06/08 03:49 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

yea some of them are really immature and did not leave a very BOLD print but was black just not DARK BOLD BLACK but the ones that were more mature left a very dark bold color for print. Yeah my camera sucks and i am shaky as it is so to get a good shot not likely. Would the maturity of the mushroom make a difference on how dark and bold the color of the spore is?

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8732305 - 08/06/08 03:55 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I was just looking at more of the prints and I think that I got mostly Subbs with a few FOES in ther cuz I did notice that there was like 2 or 3 prints that looked a little different with a browner tint to the black color instead of DARK black, I also did the black sharpie and it is just as dark the print! Thats my assumption, I will just make a Tea and put them all in, like you said  the foes wont hurt  me!! Thanks Impee You have been a great help and look forward to many threads ahead..

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8732313 - 08/06/08 04:08 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

more matured mushrooms tend to have more spores i think (on cubes at least) Also, to take a print make sure you put a bowl or tupperware or something over the top of the mushrooms, it helps keep in humidity so that your subbs dont dry up, when they stay fresh longer they leave better prints... When they dry up they dont drop any more spores.

Also, dont boil your subbs when you make tea,  the bottom and sides of the pot are past the psilocin/psilocybin melting point so it might hurt the potency.

have fun :laugh:

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8732322 - 08/06/08 04:19 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

wow another instance you have put me in the right direction, I did not know that about the tea ! Thanks I will just eat them now! I am going to go out and try to see if I can find some more of them today as well and maybe get my spore prints going directly after I pick them, Yea I will put somthing over them from now on as well like you said tupperware which is what ill use. Would you agree with me that its likely that i got both Subbs and Foes well if you could see the spore prints better, most have a dark dark black print and a couple have a more brownish tint to them, well could it be likely ?

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8732341 - 08/06/08 04:30 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

If its dark black they should be subbs, its likely you got a few foes in there also though.

I hope they are strong enough for effects :laugh:

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: implee]
    #8732345 - 08/06/08 04:33 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yea once I eat them I will get back to you , I am also going out today to try and get more. Thanks for everything..
Yea lets prey they work out and be Active enough to trip:eek:
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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8732351 - 08/06/08 04:38 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Apparently a lot of times they are as potent as cubes by weight, so eat about 10-30 grams fresh or 1-3 grams dry (WITH CUBES 1 Dry or 10 Fresh is base line effects, 2 Dry or 20 Fresh would give good effects but not be too heavy, 3 Dry or 30 Fresh gives decently heavy effects) also fresh tend to be a little more potent than dried apparently.

But keep in mind ive only found subbs a couple times, and i never had enough to dose.

good luck on finding more :laugh:

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: implee]
    #8732376 - 08/06/08 04:49 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I dose subbs since they start poppin before weilii do. I love them i usually eat 4-7grms dry and have a great trip.

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    #8732382 - 08/06/08 04:50 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

If i were you i would eat all that you have, youll need that many to have a good time.

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8732565 - 08/06/08 07:25 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

actually the pictures that I showed are not all that I have, I prolly have 8-10 grams when dried! but I am going to get more right NOW!Be back in a bit with some more hopefully

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8732677 - 08/06/08 08:27 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I went looking here in Houston, only found a few lawn mushrooms... TONS of standing water around town and in the woods though so we should be booming in a few days :laugh:

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: implee]
    #8733257 - 08/06/08 11:26 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

OK soo I went back out today to the same spot and looked a little harder and found the same mushrooms as yesterday and rushed home to get some spore prints. I used the most mature caps I had for the prints and drip a little water to help with moistening the mushrooms so I could get a could print to take a picture of, After 45 mins of waiting this is what I got...............

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8733310 - 08/06/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

You might need to take longer prints, ive had some that printed pretty dark after 30 minutes. But it looks like you have subbs probably, those prints are pretty dark.

When you get enough have fun :laugh:

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: implee]
    #8733328 - 08/06/08 11:43 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

yeah I just took about 5 grams from what I had found yesterday they were small and dried really fast. Implee i think you are right and they are subs i should have left them longer but i got excited and could only wait 45 mins but they are really really dark no tint of brown anywere, I am sure if I left them longer they would have came out even darker. But I just ate them like 20 mins ago and I will keep you informed!! :mushroom2:

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    #8733332 - 08/06/08 11:44 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

good luck :laugh:

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    #8734001 - 08/06/08 02:00 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: Damn]
    #8734219 - 08/06/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Well My friends, They were def. subbs cuz I am trippIN haha its a mild trip but still fun, i was playing mario kart wii and came into in whoohoo
thanks for all your help guys its GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!.............

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    #8734329 - 08/06/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

:mushroom2:

trippy shit dude, go take a walk and enjoy nature, i'm sure you'll love it :smile:

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: haymaker]
    #8734359 - 08/06/08 03:10 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

yeah its kinda crappy out right now so I am waiting for the rain to die down , althou I am taking MORE love free wild mushrooms, nothing is better! :mushroom2:

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    #8734389 - 08/06/08 03:15 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i was also wondering if there was a good way to make a tea, without losing potency?

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8734731 - 08/06/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I heard the point at which psilocybin begins to break down is 120 degrees Fahrenheit. Water boils below that I think sooo... should be fine.

Im not sure about psilocyn though


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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: Beege]
    #8734777 - 08/06/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

water boils at 220 not 120

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    #8734787 - 08/06/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

oh Im thinking celsius... my bad

and I said psilocybin breaks down at 120F


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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: Beege]
    #8735127 - 08/06/08 05:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

gezz still tripping , i ate a lot over a few hours

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    #8735130 - 08/06/08 05:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Right on man.


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    #8735276 - 08/06/08 06:04 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Nah its much higher than that i dont know when it is destroyed though but the melting points are 365F but keep in mind that the bottom of the pan and sides could be drastically higher because of the flame...


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Which active substances do you think will be destroyed by cooking? The melting point of psilocybin is 185 - 195 degrees C, and for psilocin it's 173 - 176. Those temperatures are higher than one normally uses for cooking. And those are just melting points, not the temperatures at which decomposition occurs.

There are lots of mushrooms with toxins in them that are destroyed by heating. An excellent example is Morels. If eaten raw they are poisonous. With very few exceptions all wild mushrooms should be cooked thoroughly before eating.





185 degrees Celsius = 365 degrees Fahrenheit
195 degrees Celsius = 383 degrees Fahrenheit

So if you got them dry, you can grind them up into powder with a coffee grinder, then pour boiling water over them in a cup (the water will be 212 or whatever which is much below the melting point)  stir them up for 15-30 minutes then strain with panty hose or a tshit (not one with washing detergent on it) coffee filters tend to get clogged then when you squeeze them they rip and fall into the tea again

also put a tea bag in it while your stiring it so it isnt just straight mushroom tea

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: implee]
    #8735336 - 08/06/08 06:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

ah my bad, don't listen to a word I say lol

I'm not sure if I have access to a coffee grinder... can finely chopping them work just as well?

Or maybe a mortar and pestle for dried ones?


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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: implee]
    #8735341 - 08/06/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

ok i am going to make tea next time how you say to implee , THEY WERE SUBS had fun but a long day, i should have eaten more at once instead of a few grams here a few grams there .... ohhh well had fun:eek:

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8737494 - 08/07/08 02:56 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome :laugh: also subbs and subs are two different mushrooms just so you know :laugh:

you have SUBBS with two bb's if you says subs people might not know which mushroom you mean in the future

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: Beege]
    #8737497 - 08/07/08 02:57 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

MAYBE if they are UBER dry like cracker fragile instantly break when you bend kind of dry you know?

Sometimes they arent dried out 100% and they wont snap that easily

Ive made tea with REALLY tiny pieces before but i like to powder them to make sure im getting all the actives

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    #8738037 - 08/07/08 09:07 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

hmmm maybe I'll just make a paste from the freshies with a mortar and pestle and make a tea with that...


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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: Beege]
    #8738055 - 08/07/08 09:15 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Keep in mind that when you bruise mushrooms, thats the psilocin becoming unstable and oxidizing or some shit so in theory your lowering the potency... SO if you do it that way add more fresh to the paste

To be honest though, im not sure if anyone has done chemical analysis's on bruising/potency loss.... It might just be in theory or all talk i dunno

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    #8738060 - 08/07/08 09:16 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

seems like with that logic a coffee grinder would do the same right?


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    #8738063 - 08/07/08 09:17 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

well nevertheless I'm sure the ancient psychonauts didn't have coffee grinders :wink:


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    #8738108 - 08/07/08 09:35 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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seems like with that logic a coffee grinder would do the same right?




Nah not at all, you cant bruise a cracker dry mushroom, so that shows that the psilocin is stable at that point. When you powder dried mushrooms they turn into a brownish powder not a bluish powder.

But i mean people make tea with whole/chopped up mushrooms all the time, you just have to add more mushrooms to make sure your going to get a decent trip, because your not always 100% sure if the whole chunks have all the actives out... When you powder them it gives you the peace of mind that you are getting all the actives out...

I have made tea with broken up dried mushrooms before though, i just added a bit more JUST in case all the actives werent leeched out or whatever...

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    #8738112 - 08/07/08 09:37 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

mmmk well hopefully I'll have plenty =p


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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: Beege]
    #8738481 - 08/07/08 11:07 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

so you can make a paste with fresh mushies to make a tea? I think that just taking the day and 1/2 to dry them properly is def. your best bet

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8738535 - 08/07/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Probably what I'll do... or just eat em =D


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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: Beege]
    #8742468 - 08/08/08 04:07 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

so is it typical that the subs you find in the sodded grass ushally smaller than the ones you would find growing in the horse pastures? Cuz most of the subs I have found were relitivly smaller compared to the pictures i have seen on this site with the subbs growing in the horse poop! ? Just wondering

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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: ozweego5]
    #8742473 - 08/08/08 04:11 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

implee said:
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Re: HELP ID............ Think there SUBS [Re: implee]
    #8742849 - 08/08/08 08:08 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Brewing mushroom tea through a coffee-maker seems to be the most efficient method for me. Dried Pan subbs seem to lose almost all flavor during brewing whether well-ground or not, so I'm uncertain whether the amount of grinding is a significant factor (assuming that the active chems leach with the flavor molecules).


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