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 Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer  [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8707116 - 07/31/08 12:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Idiopathic medicine is bullshit.
In which version of the definition for "Idiopathic Medicine" are you referring....?
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Doctors kill more than they cure, get the facts. Go to educate-yourself.orgy
Yeah, the next time I break a bone, get a bad toothache, or get terribly ill, no way am I going to no stinking Doctor....
Thanks for opening my eyes.... 
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the whole point of a medicine mans way is your under their care and the use preventive medicine to make sure you dint break a bone, get a bad toothache, or get terribly ill. Yet still can do things that might cause that to happen.
its not about the drugs. Its about why your spirit did what it did the first place the true aliment. I have to say being a medicine man can be a fucking horrifically painful thing. It sucks treating anxiety and things like stress related tensions, upon taking those in from people you can tell them exactly whats wrong in their life and how they can go about fixing it but you cant straight up fix it or you rob them of their life. they need to live and understand that pain or illness so that they maybe healthy as well as not speard that illness.
its kinda like if someone gets an STD or something and its cure able and then theres those that have ones that arent but treat able.
but its more so like A PTD psyche Transmited
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8713766 - 08/01/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Allopathic medicine is bullshit.
In which version of the definition for "Allopathic Medicine" are you referring....?
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Poid said:
Doctors kill more than they cure, get the facts. Go to educate-yourself.org
Yeah, the next time I break a bone, get a bad toothache, or get terribly ill, no way am I going to no steeeenking Doctor....
Thanks for opening my eyes....
>^;;^<
Your weak bones, your toothache, and your weak immune system are the result of society, which forces a poisonous diet on you and your loved ones. I don't know why I'm honoring your post, what kind of bullshit way is that to treat somebody?
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Poid]
#8713775 - 08/01/08 07:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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tee hee i eat poison and i have strong bones,teeth and immune system but i also take medicine into my own hands, and of course alot of milk if that helps
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 Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Poid]
#8713934 - 08/01/08 08:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your weak bones, your toothache, and your weak immune system are the result of society, which forces a poisonous diet on you and your loved ones. I don't know why I'm honoring your post, what kind of bullshit way is that to treat somebody?
Well, actually the toothache I got a few months back was caused by a popcorn kernel being lodged between my gum and tooth, not society.... 
In all seriousness, you are bringing a "strange" POV of some strong beliefs you have that I am not familiar with....
But, all you are doing is making accusations, so far....
Are you attempting to say that you have found a diet of certain foods that that completely prevent broken bones, illness, and cavities....?
I am not saying that I have any of those problems, but I am interested enough to chase you for another lap around the maypole....
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8716391 - 08/02/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your weak bones, your toothache, and your weak immune system are the result of society, which forces a poisonous diet on you and your loved ones. I don't know why I'm honoring your post, what kind of bullshit way is that to treat somebody?
Well, actually the toothache I got a few months back was caused by a popcorn kernel being lodged between my gum and tooth, not society....
In all seriousness, you are bringing a "strange" POV of some strong beliefs you have that I am not familiar with....
But, all you are doing is making accusations, so far....
Are you attempting to say that you have found a diet of certain foods that that completely prevent broken bones, illness, and cavities....?
I am not saying that I have any of those problems, but I am interested enough to chase you for another lap around the maypole....
>^;;^<
I do not honor sardonic posts. Go to educate-yourself.org, or leave me alone.
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Poid]
#8716559 - 08/02/08 02:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow, that website is an incredible mishmash of conspiracy theories, New Age quackery & paranoid delusion! Fascinating read!
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Poid]
#8717586 - 08/02/08 06:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do not honor sardonic posts. Go to educate-yourself.org, or leave me alone.
Wow, way to be a dick.
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 Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Poid]
#8717725 - 08/02/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do not honor sardonic posts. Go to educate-yourself.org, or leave me alone.
My post was scornfully mocking you....?
I think that I will choose to leave you alone.... 
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Veritas]
#8727135 - 08/04/08 11:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow, that website is an incredible mishmash of conspiracy theories, New Age quackery & paranoid delusion! Fascinating read!
Here's an honor:
LOL! You are the most politically correct person who claims to use mushrooms that I know of. Seriously, what the hell are you doing here on the shroomery? You belong on Bill O'Reilly's forum, not here.
GOD FORBID that there ACTUALLY ARE conspiracy theories! I mean, humans don't conspire, oh LORDY LORD! People of this society, on every level of the social hierarchy (hard to believe there is actually a such thing) most definitely DO NOT conspire, AT ALL! We are all truth tellers, good-doers, and non-conditioned and originally insightful humans!
You abide to popular opinion and notions; nothing you believe in is your own creation, your own original insight. There isn't a DAMN THING that I've seen you type that wouldn't be recited on cable news channels. In fact, you sound EXACTLY like a news reporter, like some sort of lobotomized Jane Doe. I presume that you watch a lot of television, eat tons of unhealthy, unnatural fast foods, and only speak of things that cause the VERY LEAST amount of controversy for the fear of receiving the very same reaction you produce.
New Age quackery? Are you serious? Funny that "New Age" is even called New Age, seeing to as the whole movement is about returning to our roots as dignified human beings, and straying away from this bullshit society that depends on everybody's misery for its own stability. The true quackery is the allopathic medicine, the true evil is institution. Even Time Magazine is catching up with what you call a "conspiracy theory" regarding the innate danger of vaccinations. Do you truly believe that living in and abiding to this indefatigably, unforgivingly unnatural society is beneficial to the human organism? How dare you be against nature, and be for this Brave New Worldish Orwellian existence, how dare you!
Yes, paranoid delusion as defined by the DSM, but not defined by human decency and intellectual skepticism. No human being, not being brought up and conditioned in this modern world, would even dare to partake in any of the unnatural phenomenon present in this day, so that begs me to ask, what the hell are you? You are obviously conditioned (brainwashed) by this society, or you would not be defending its "virtues", so why am I even wasting my time communicating with you?
Furthermore, how dare you come at me with this sardonic, sarcastic tone. What the hell is wrong with you, and all the people that follow your ridiculous notions of human behavior and beliefs? Is that a way to be with people? Where on Earth did you learn that being that way is in any, way, shape or form O.K.? How can you live with yourself?
You are incredibly misinformed, or else you wouldn't be so adamantly skeptical of the ideas presented on educate-yourself.org. You haven't done your research, you haven't done much but turn a blind eye to such notions for sympathy to your societally defined archetypal false sense of self called the ego (not the Western interpretation of the word, the ACTUAL meaning), for to do so would cause much distress in many areas of your life.
You are not a spiritual person, by ANY stretch of the imagination, and you are not very philosophical (because ALL of your ideas can be agreed with and read on a newspaper), so why are you even posting here? Like I said, you shouldn't even be on the shroomery in the first place, but posting here is crossing another line. Continue your pattern of blindly FOLLOWING others, and learn where your place is and STAY THERE.
Oh, and all of the above is just my spiritual and philosophical approach to you, lol.
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Poid]
#8727167 - 08/04/08 11:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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Veritas said:
Wow, that website is an incredible mishmash of conspiracy theories, New Age quackery & paranoid delusion! Fascinating read!
Here's an honor:
LOL! You are the most politically correct person who claims to use mushrooms that I know of. Seriously, what the hell are you doing here on the shroomery? You belong on Bill O'Reilly's forum, not here.
GOD FORBID that there ACTUALLY ARE conspiracy theories! I mean, humans don't conspire, oh LORDY LORD! People of this society, on every level of the social hierarchy (hard to believe there is actually a such thing) most definitely DO NOT conspire, AT ALL! We are all truth tellers, good-doers, and non-conditioned and originally insightful humans!
You abide to popular opinion and notions; nothing you believe in is your own creation, your own original insight. There isn't a DAMN THING that I've seen you type that wouldn't be recited on cable news channels. In fact, you sound EXACTLY like a news reporter, like some sort of lobotomized Jane Doe. I presume that you watch a lot of television, eat tons of unhealthy, unnatural fast foods, and only speak of things that cause the VERY LEAST amount of controversy for the fear of receiving the very same reaction you produce.
New Age quackery? Are you serious? Funny that "New Age" is even called New Age, seeing to as the whole movement is about returning to our roots as dignified human beings, and straying away from this bullshit society that depends on everybody's misery for its own stability. The true quackery is the allopathic medicine, the true evil is institution. Even Time Magazine is catching up with what you call a "conspiracy theory" regarding the innate danger of vaccinations. Do you truly believe that living in and abiding to this indefatigably, unforgivingly unnatural society is beneficial to the human organism? How dare you be against nature, and be for this Brave New Worldish Orwellian existence, how dare you!
Yes, paranoid delusion as defined by the DSM, but not defined by human decency and intellectual skepticism. No human being, not being brought up and conditioned in this modern world, would even dare to partake in any of the unnatural phenomenon present in this day, so that begs me to ask, what the hell are you? You are obviously conditioned (brainwashed) by this society, or you would not be defending its "virtues", so why am I even wasting my time communicating with you?
Furthermore, how dare you come at me with this sardonic, sarcastic tone. What the hell is wrong with you, and all the people that follow your ridiculous notions of human behavior and beliefs? Is that a way to be with people? Where on Earth did you learn that being that way is in any, way, shape or form O.K.? How can you live with yourself?
You are incredibly misinformed, or else you wouldn't be so adamantly skeptical of the ideas presented on educate-yourself.org. You haven't done your research, you haven't done much but turn a blind eye to such notions for sympathy to your societally defined archetypal false sense of self called the ego (not the Western interpretation of the word, the ACTUAL meaning), for to do so would cause much distress in many areas of your life.
You are not a spiritual person, by ANY stretch of the imagination, and you are not very philosophical (because ALL of your ideas can be agreed with and read on a newspaper), so why are you even posting here? Like I said, you shouldn't even be on the shroomery in the first place, but posting here is crossing another line. Continue your pattern of blindly FOLLOWING others, and learn where your place is and STAY THERE.
Oh, and all of the above is just my spiritual and philosophical approach to you, lol.
someones defensive :o
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Poid]
#8727378 - 08/05/08 01:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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Veritas said:
Wow, that website is an incredible mishmash of conspiracy theories, New Age quackery & paranoid delusion! Fascinating read!
Here's an honor:
LOL! You are the most politically correct person who claims to use mushrooms that I know of. Seriously, what the hell are you doing here on the shroomery? You belong on Bill O'Reilly's forum, not here.
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Poid said:
There isn't a DAMN THING that I've seen you type that wouldn't be recited on cable news channels. In fact, you sound EXACTLY like a news reporter,
The gig is up! Your true identity has been revealed, Veritas, or should I say... Bill O'Reilly
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like some sort of lobotomized Jane Doe. I presume that you watch a lot of television, eat tons of unhealthy, unnatural fast foods, and only speak of things that cause the VERY LEAST amount of controversy for the fear of receiving the very same reaction you produce.
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Poid said:
You are not a spiritual person, by ANY stretch of the imagination, and you are not very philosophical (because ALL of your ideas can be agreed with and read on a newspaper), so why are you even posting here? Like I said, you shouldn't even be on the shroomery in the first place, but posting here is crossing another line.
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: zouden]
#8728028 - 08/05/08 08:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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wow i think this derailed a bit
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Poid]
#8728935 - 08/05/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Poid said:
People of this society, on every level of the social hierarchy (hard to believe there is actually a such thing) most definitely DO NOT conspire, AT ALL! We are all truth tellers, good-doers, and non-conditioned and originally insightful humans!
Edited by SyntheticMInd (08/05/08 03:27 PM)
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Poid]
#8729028 - 08/05/08 01:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Poid, you are posting in the wrong forum.
You should be posting in M&P... because people in there are not allowed to disagree with you or your bullshit posts.
If you are gonna' get defensive and hurl personalisms at a veteran member who actually FOLLOWS THE RULES of this forum, you will not last long.
If you are full of shit... and you post in here, people ARE ENCOURAGED to tell you that your posts are full of shit.
And...
Your posts ARE full of shit.
N00bs... for the love of God... stop telling the regulars here how this forum is supposed to work.
And read the fucking rules before you post.
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Rose]
#8729442 - 08/05/08 02:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Poid, you are posting in the wrong forum.
You should be posting in M&P... because people in there are not allowed to disagree with you or your bullshit posts.
If you are gonna' get defensive and hurl personalisms at a veteran member who actually FOLLOWS THE RULES of this forum, you will not last long.
If you are full of shit... and you post in here, people ARE ENCOURAGED to tell you that your posts are full of shit.
And...
Your posts ARE full of shit.
N00bs... for the love of God... stop telling the regulars here how this forum is supposed to work.
And read the fucking rules before you post.
Why would it matter if she is a "veteran" and I am a "n00b"? Does that mean that one automatically gets more respect than the other, merely because one has been a member for a longer TIME? You need to realize that we are ALL people, irregardless of arbitrary "status". That abhorrent mindset will only lead you further down this path of humanly immoral behavior.
What the hell is wrong with all of you? I don't mind one bit if people aren't yet aware of certain things, but the manner of which people react to those certain things is ridiculous. People are NOT supposed to be that way. It's no surprise that I get defensive, you people don't even realize how you are acting. Instead of being cooperative, you people have an innate drive to compete against each other. You accept sarcasm, sardonicism, vulgar language, and insulting behavior not only as normal, but you aim to encourage it even further instead of trying to end it.
You think I'm merely hurling "personalisms" and trying to be what you people call an "asshole" to her? I'm just being completely serious, sincere, and direct, qualities which people here SEVERELY lack.
How dare you call my posts "bullshit", how dare you disrespect me like that. It seems to me that most people here don't even use mushrooms, and don't even have a spiritually oriented mindset. Tell me, what is up with that? They way you word your posts, the tone behind it, it is the product of a miserable life. Why do you treat people that way? If I broke the rules, and I made comments that you "disagree" with, why can't you just inform me of that, without all the vulgar clutter? You think that's a way to treat people, you think that is right, in any way?
Again, I wasn't telling anybody, irregardless of how long they've been posting here, how to run this forum. I was telling Veritas that she doesn't belong on the shroomery at all, and shouldn't even be on this forum. Her (and presumably your) purely Western-oriented mindset is NOT what mushroom use is about, AT ALL, and is not relevant to a website called "Shroomery". Mushrooms are federally illegal; to accept and encourage its use is a crime against Western society. Therefore, mushroom users are (supposed to be, anyways) against Western society.
The original topic in the post has been long discussed. Now that a new, tangential discussion, turned into controversy, has surfaced, THAT is the focus of attention.
You are asserting that people have the right to regard my posts as "bullshit", but you don't seem to encourage at all for people to intellectually and intelligibly explain the reasons for their dissent. You encourage insulting behavior, and inherently discourage intellectual reasoning. Odd, for this is a PHILOSOPHY & SPIRITUALITY forum; refraining from intellectual discovery, and doing so in such a disgusting manner, is absolutely the OPPOSITE of philosophy and spirituality.
You said my posts are bullshit, now, please, if you even can, tell me exactly why. If you find you are not able to, then take it back.
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
Edited by Poid (08/05/08 03:03 PM)
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Poid]
#8729608 - 08/05/08 03:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I won't take it back.
Just because you write long posts doesn't mean your posts are within the rules of this forum.
Want to know why your posts are full of shit?
Review the rules of this forum. Perhaps you'll answer your own question.
Most of the things you listed as problems are the things THIS FORUM STANDS FOR. Again, n00bs, don't come in here and tell us old-timers how this forum is supposed to work. 
You want ME to apologize to you? Tough.
Oh, and thanks for the rating. My vulgar, immoral self will wear those zero shrooms with pride.
Now, if I get my wish, you'll fuck off.
If you don't like naughty words... close your fucking eyes.
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Poid]
#8729650 - 08/05/08 03:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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How dare you call my posts "bullshit", how dare you disrespect me like that. It seems to me that most people here don't even use mushrooms, and don't even have a spiritually oriented mindset. Tell me, what is up with that? They way you word your posts, the tone behind it, it is the product of a miserable life.
See, it's statements like this that make you come across as an incredibly arrogant douchebag and if you keep it up you won't last long here.
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: zouden]
#8729686 - 08/05/08 04:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The gig is up! Your true identity has been revealed, Veritas, or should I say...Bill O'Reilly
Damn, I thought I could keep it on the down low for a few more months.  Ah, well, since my cover is blown on this subversive site, it's off to the 'net to find another place to push my politically-correct agenda on unsuspecting hippies.
Muah ha ha !
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 Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: Rose]
#8729816 - 08/05/08 04:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
You should be posting in M&P... because people in there are not allowed to disagree with you or your bullshit posts.
You are allowed to respectfully disagree in M&P, but general cockery is forbidden.
Poid:
If you do not wish to have your posts dissected, parodied, mocked, debunked, or dismissed PLEASE post in Mysticism and the Paranormal.
The general rule here in P&S is attack the idea - NOT THE MEMBER. Please keep this in mind, you have been warned. 
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Re: shamans,medicine men,doctors and of course the always forgotten drug dealer [Re: thedudenj]
#8729821 - 08/05/08 04:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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 This thread has been closed.
Reason: Derailed.
Come on kids play nice, no name calling. 
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