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Failing the acid test
    #872443 - 09/09/02 01:49 PM (19 years, 13 days ago)

Amazing how many people on a shroom board spout the same ideas as George Bush. Talk about failing the acid test.

Makes you wonder what kind of experiences they have on shrooms. Must just be like beer to them "Like cool dude, lets do some shrooms..." Three hours later they say "have we dropped 10,000lb bombs on those little brown people yet?".

Like Bill Hicks said about trying to get his fundamentalist father tripping

"Dad, this is supposed to be when your ego dissolves and you realise that we're all one"

"I JUST WANNA WATCH RUSH LIMBAUGH!!"

"Shit, dads not getting off on these things like i am..."


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Xlea321]
    #872450 - 09/09/02 01:53 PM (19 years, 13 days ago)

Amen to that brother.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Xlea321]
    #872485 - 09/09/02 02:41 PM (19 years, 13 days ago)



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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Xlea321]
    #872556 - 09/09/02 03:12 PM (19 years, 13 days ago)

Psychedelics do not contain ideas. To think that people who eat psychedelics will all share your opinions is not only stupid, it's arrogant.

Psychedelics alter the way you think. Drastically. They can reinforce any ideas you may have. One person might use them, and have their peaceful, anti-war ideas or whatever enhanced, while others will be Charles Manson. Manson's philosophies are based around the use of LSD. So are Leary's.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Xlea321]
    #872634 - 09/09/02 04:03 PM (19 years, 13 days ago)

It's just that many of us here are over 14 years old and have figured out how the world really works. Those of us who have seen the real world have long since dropped those silly liberal ideas that never worked anywhere they've been implemented.
Dropping acid, giving yourself a big hug, and telling everyone that you love them don't pay the rent man.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Xlea321]
    #872651 - 09/09/02 04:16 PM (19 years, 13 days ago)

I don't do shrooms..i've only done them about 3 times over a year ago....


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: superpimp]
    #872691 - 09/09/02 04:34 PM (19 years, 13 days ago)

"Those of us who have seen the real world have long since dropped those silly liberal ideas that never worked anywhere they've been implemented."

Which ones?


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Post deleted by MOE THE MAD SCIENTIST [Re: Phluck]
    #872717 - 09/09/02 04:41 PM (19 years, 13 days ago)



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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: vatoloco]
    #872738 - 09/09/02 04:44 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

I don't see Alex talking about communism...


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: vatoloco]
    #872831 - 09/09/02 05:25 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

thank you for your enlightening one word post

right wing education has taught you that nothing works except for capitalism

i suggest that you read some commy propaganda

http://csf.colorado.edu/psn/marx/Archive/1867-C1/


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Lallafa]
    #872870 - 09/09/02 05:39 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

at least there are no pictures of laden fucking donkeys in this post......

Good answer Phluck. Psychadelics and how they effect the user vary as much as the sizes of allen wrenches. I mean really, have you ever seen those teenie tiny little allen wrenches? What are those for anyway? And those big ass muthers....you know the ones......they look like large sex toys or something.

Anyway . . . .


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: PGF]
    #872886 - 09/09/02 05:48 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

Yeah, I was just thinking about those allen keys the other day. What the fuck has a little nut that tiny? Crazy...


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: vatoloco]
    #872890 - 09/09/02 05:52 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

i'm sick and tired of everyone always saying communism has never worked... has no one ever heard of a little country called yugoslavia? a man named tito? how about china and Mao? communism was ued very effectively by these two leaders in these two coutries. only problem was that tito died and mao got manipulated when he really knew better..


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: vatoloco]
    #872901 - 09/09/02 05:56 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

btw, communism has never been implemented.

in the first place, it is socialism which rises from the ashes of the crumbling capital order, necessarily uniting workers all over the world in a common cause against the force dominating their life that is entirely alien to them

any reference to the outcome of the october revolution as "communist" only shows extreme isolation on every front: political, intellectual, cultural, etc.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: zandorf]
    #872906 - 09/09/02 05:57 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

I can't tell from your post if you were being serious or not. Was that a joke, or do you really hold up China as a fine example of.... Oh fuck it, why bother.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: superpimp]
    #872911 - 09/09/02 06:01 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

z


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Phluck]
    #872913 - 09/09/02 06:01 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

I agree with Phluck on this. Psychadelics are merely an amusement park ride of the mind. They accentuate and distort sensory stimuli while at the same time exaggerating thought processes or ideas that are already present in the user's mind. Their effects are very similar to a kind of short-term schizophrenia, which can be dangerous because schizos tend to have delusions of grandeur combined with various paranoid fantasies. Because the experience is so intense (or can be, depending on dosage), many people walk away from it thinking that they've somehow "seen" the deeper workings of the universe, which in turn renders them incapable of reasonable debate and even of civilized discourse. Many of the heavy psychadelic users I know tend to have very strong opinions and be very dogmatic about them. These forums are more than evidence enough of that.

Huxley and Leary were unfortunately wrong: psychadelics are not the magic cure-all to all of humanity's problems. Used intelligently they can be a significant aid to creativity and a kind of "searchlight" to see the workings of one's own mind more clearly. They also apparently have some medicinal uses. Other than that, though, they do absolutely zero to make one more intelligent, better at human relationships, or better at life in general. Only the hard work of educating oneself, testing oneself in actual human relationships, and creating something worthwhile out of one's life can do those things.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: zandorf]
    #873069 - 09/09/02 07:34 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

****has no one ever heard of a little country called yugoslavia?****

Yeah it's a shit hole..what about it?


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: EchoVortex]
    #873192 - 09/09/02 08:46 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

Huxley and Leary were unfortunately wrong: psychadelics are not the magic cure-all to all of humanity's problems.

Well for the few brief years they were widely available in the 60's they brought the western world to the brink of revolution and so terrified the establishment that they made them schedule 1 drugs against the advice of pretty much every medical expert in the country.

I wouldn't be too sure that psychedelics can't offer a lot to the world. As Bill Hicks said "Imagine what would happen if people took shrooms on a regular basis...how are we gonna build nuclear weapons when we realise we're all one? It's gonna fuck up the economy. The economy that's fake anyway. So you can see why the government is trying to stamp these fucking things out"


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Lallafa]
    #873196 - 09/09/02 08:48 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

communism can never work in the real world because on paper, it does not factor in one important factor: Man's desire for power and money surpassing his or her love of the community.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Acidbear]
    #873203 - 09/09/02 08:54 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

Not too sure, for the vast majority of human existence man lived in groups of no more than 30. These were purely communist groups - everyone got an equal share, everyone got cared for the same. There were no Bill Gates and poverty stricken beggars in those groups. So in his natural state man naturally gravitates towards sharing equally with others. It's only when you pervert his essential nature by forcing him to hate and compete with his neighbour that this changes. His natural state seems to be based around anarchist ideas of equality and sharing, only the culture we live in seems to have perverted that.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Xlea321]
    #873699 - 09/10/02 05:48 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)

"Well for the few brief years they were widely available in the 60's they brought the western world to the brink of revolution and so terrified the establishment that they made them schedule 1 drugs against the advice of pretty much every medical expert in the country."

Was it really psychadelics that brought the western world to the brink of revolution? I wonder. Student protest and demonstrations were a worldwide phenomenon in the 60's, including in many places where acid wasn't really available or used, such as Japan. The mood of the 60's was A) a reaction against the Cold War, which many people rightly saw as a threat to the very existence of humanity and B) a product of post-war affluence, which gave millions of young, middle-class Americans the chance to get a college education for the first time and the leisure to sit around smoking dope and dropping acid and thinking about ways to make the world a better place. If those young people were struggling to make a living day after day they wouldn't have the time and energy to do the things they did. In any event, over 75% of the hippies eventually cut their hair, put on the suits and ties, and became yuppies.

The Feds made psychadelics schedule 1 drugs because, given a chance, they will make every decent drug under the sun schedule 1. It's just the same old paranoia. Even cocaine and speed are schedule 1, which doesn't make much sense by your logic because cocaine and speed are the capitalist drugs par excellence.

Don't get me wrong: I love psychadelics and I'm sympathetic to a lot of what you have to say, but just look at the folks on these forums: do most of them seem to have a sense of the "oneness of humanity" to you? You've got the gun lobby here, the "greed is good" ideologues, the "nuke the brown people" nutjobs. You yourself said so. Not to mention all of the utterly juvenile backbiting and flame wars. I fail to see what psychadelics have done for these people in any positive sense.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: EchoVortex]
    #873749 - 09/10/02 06:17 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)

Cocaine and speed are schedule II. Weed is schedule I. Go figure. :confused:


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Xlea321]
    #873765 - 09/10/02 06:30 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)

Alex, keep up the good work. With self-appointed experts to represent liberal ideas, we have little to fear. At best you're free entertainment.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: puscle]
    #873773 - 09/10/02 06:36 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)

Catty arn't you  :grin:


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: EchoVortex]
    #873801 - 09/10/02 06:49 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)

Don't get me wrong: I love psychadelics and I'm sympathetic to a lot of what you have to say, but just look at the folks on these forums: do most of them seem to have a sense of the "oneness of humanity" to you? You've got the gun lobby here, the "greed is good" ideologues, the "nuke the brown people" nutjobs. You yourself said so. Not to mention all of the utterly juvenile backbiting and flame wars. I fail to see what psychadelics have done for these people in any positive sense.

Good point echo. I suppose the problem we have at the moment is there is no cultural support in place. Monks living in a monastery would have their positive experience during meditation and then have a cultural system of support in place to help them grow and learn from that experience. Iin the west we don't. Most of these guys have the experience and 4 hours later they've got someone snapping "I'll take fries with that..." at them. Without the cultural support psychedelics can only open the door. Being able to step through it is something else entirely.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: EchoVortex]
    #873836 - 09/10/02 07:06 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)

Well said EV. You should paste a copy of your post in the S&P Forum in a thread about "Do psychedelics reveal the universe" or some similar title.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Xlea321]
    #873972 - 09/10/02 08:08 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)

How old are you?


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: superpimp]
    #874143 - 09/10/02 09:19 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)

Old enough to know better  :grin:


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Xlea321]
    #874870 - 09/10/02 03:00 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

that's mighy white of you to make the assumption
that everyone who consumes psychedelics is a
patchouli wearing leftest peace monger.


And I do not like the smell of patchouli, never have... :crazy:


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Innvertigo]
    #874892 - 09/10/02 03:11 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

How is communism leftist? I know that socialism (which isn't much different) has been implemented under right wing regimes like the nazis.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: puscle]
    #875090 - 09/10/02 04:58 PM (19 years, 11 days ago)

"Cocaine and speed are schedule II. Weed is schedule I. Go figure. "

Oops, my bad. I didn't mean to misinform anybody. Well, maybe Alex is onto something then. Weed makes you mellow and peaceable, psychadelics in many cases might make you question consensus views. Cocaine and speed just send you into overdrive, which, after all, might have its productive benefits (coke is the drug of choice among investment bankers and speed is popular with many long-distance truck drivers).


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: MortMtroN]
    #875091 - 09/10/02 04:59 PM (19 years, 11 days ago)

I'm not quite sure you know what "Right wing" and "Left wing" mean.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: Xlea321]
    #875120 - 09/10/02 05:12 PM (19 years, 11 days ago)

"Good point echo. I suppose the problem we have at the moment is there is no cultural support in place. Monks living in a monastery would have their positive experience during meditation and then have a cultural system of support in place to help them grow and learn from that experience. Iin the west we don't. Most of these guys have the experience and 4 hours later they've got someone snapping "I'll take fries with that..." at them. Without the cultural support psychedelics can only open the door. Being able to step through it is something else entirely. "

Yeah, I agree with everything you've written here. Set and setting are key, and by "set" one can mean not only one's short term mindset but the whole deep history of the individual going back to their childhood memories as well as their most deeply held values.

I think the age you start using them also makes a big difference. I myself didn't start until my mid-twenties and I'm glad I didn't start earlier. I see high school kids doing the stuff and not really getting very much out of it (acid, being so cheap, is perhaps the most popular drug in high schools right now). It scrambles their developmental process by giving them these really intense episodes that they see just as extreme experience (like driving fast or whatever) and not as structured explorations of their own minds (it's hard to explore with any assurance something that's still under construction). By the time they reach the age when they can actually process the experience and integrate it productively into their worldview, a lot of them are already burned out on it and aren't so interested anymore.

Anyway, I think we can agree that psychadelics are just one piece of the puzzle of personal development. A very important piece, definitely, a key tool, but not a "magic bullet" for enlightenment.


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Re: Failing the acid test [Re: EchoVortex]
    #875399 - 09/10/02 06:54 PM (19 years, 11 days ago)

It's always funny to hear about monks in Thailand
robbing and beating up people and selling meth.
It's funny. Like the story about the monk's attack
on the disabled guy.

Those zany monks.


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