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OfflineThe_Greater_God
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Ever wonder why this reality persist ?
    #871148 - 09/09/02 04:46 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Trippin or not, ever sit around and wonder why this reality persist, and the many many others (dreams, visualizations, hallucinogens) don't ? What about the people with mental disorders, do they all belong to the same reality we are somehow not a part of ?


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Offlinekykeon
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Re: Ever wonder why this reality persist ? [Re: The_Greater_God]
    #871211 - 09/09/02 07:09 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

imho there is no such thing as [one] Reality.

as for why this everyday reality persists in our lives, its because [as Hoffmann have theorized] our brains are chemically tuned to this one. When eg on acid, the mind is chemically altered so as to tune in another version of reality.

Aldus Huxley had written that people in shizophrenia are on a mescalin trip all the time, without knowing it. they live in a normal for their mind state, which is very different from our normal state; therefore their reactions which sometimes are violent and sometimes self-closing are caused by the fact they feel trapped because what is normal for them isnt for ALL the others.

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Re: Ever wonder why this reality persist ? [Re: The_Greater_God]
    #871924 - 09/09/02 09:35 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

ever sit around and wonder why this reality persist

I can't say I have ever thought about that, but I will point out that it only persists for 70 years or so.


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Re: Ever wonder why this reality persist ? [Re: The_Greater_God]
    #872121 - 09/09/02 11:16 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

No, but thanks for asking.


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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: Ever wonder why this reality persist ? [Re: The_Greater_God]
    #872253 - 09/09/02 12:19 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

How do you know that this reality persists?


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Re: Ever wonder why this reality persist ? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #872263 - 09/09/02 12:25 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Because it's the one we live most of the time.

MAIA


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Re: Ever wonder why this reality persist ? [Re: The_Greater_God]
    #872291 - 09/09/02 12:35 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Reality has many different versions all rolled into one.
When we trip another one is opened up before our very eyes and mind.
Reality persists because that is the way it was meant to go down.
Day after Day, Year after Year.
Schiz`s are just totally screwed in the old brain box region, they don`t know reality no matter how they try to percieve it. Mental disorders can occur not because of a malfunction in the brain box but a persons personality can also bring one on.


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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: Ever wonder why this reality persist ? [Re: MAIA]
    #873433 - 09/10/02 12:12 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Because it's the one we live most of the time

We dream less 10% of the time, sleep for 33% and awake 67%. Does the reality of our waking life persist for the sole reason that "it's the one we live most the time"?

Maybe our dreams persist from night to night but we are not aware of it because we are cut off from that reality until we re-enter it. We spend a couple of hours a night dreaming and maybe that's the "real" persistent reality for which we spend 16 hours preparing.

Just a thought.



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Re: Ever wonder why this reality persist ? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #873476 - 09/10/02 01:25 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

Does the reality of our waking life persist for the sole reason that "it's the one we live most the time"?




Sure, i'll explain,
1- We exist in the same reality, be it at sleep or awake.
2- Even if when we sleep and are aware of another alternative reality, that reality is random and analized by our subconscient, that reality is not valid to our conscient, so the reality our conscient experience is the one that persists.
Read the allegory of the cave by Plato.

MAIA


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Re: Ever wonder why this reality persist ? [Re: MAIA]
    #873501 - 09/10/02 01:56 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Good point, but can the persistence of reality possibly be an illusion?
Maybe each moment is a self-contained seperate reality - complete with memories of past events.
I hope not  :shocked:
It's just a possibility, there is no way to test the persistence of reality, no way to prove or disprove it. I guess it's another thing I'll have to believe on faith.

 


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OfflineThe_Greater_God
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Re: Ever wonder why this reality persist ? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #878835 - 09/11/02 07:56 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

How would you be able to tell then ?


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Re: Ever wonder why this reality persist ? [Re: The_Greater_God]
    #879416 - 09/12/02 02:53 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Being a physical organism keeps us within this
collective "reality". Through transcendental meditation,
extreme exercise, mind altering drugs, etc., we
humans attempt to explore the vastness of "reality"
only to find out it is all an illusion, perpetuated by
the chemical and electrical impulses of our physicality.

Reality is individual perceptions grouped together into
a collective illusion. Change your thoughts and change your
world!

Peace to Everyone,

Peaceful Nomad


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Re: Ever wonder why this reality persist ? [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
    #881215 - 09/13/02 01:24 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

hey nomad
i totally agree with you man.
imo, we are all in our own "reality". to realise the collective, the greater one reality behind all those (brahman etc) is to "know". and to know is to be free.

are u into sri vidya?
peace
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Re: Ever wonder why this reality persist ? [Re: lizardking]
    #881804 - 09/13/02 11:42 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I sincerly think that our realities are made of past, events, and state of mind. When changing state of mind (long term changes), we change reality. This can be triggered by events, important personal thoughts, etc. My only wish in the Reality I'm living is to return to a Reality I lived in. I'm sure that realities are not just erased, there is still a past and a futur. Trying to find a reality where I truly think I belong..


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Re: Ever wonder why this reality persist ? [Re: The_Greater_God]
    #881856 - 09/13/02 12:18 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Reality......reality....i see many.....which one is real?? Help me.........the dog has ate my crayons and i need to write about the nest...


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