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question as to how one inculates without verm layr
    #870654 - 09/08/02 11:35 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

When one is using grain and has not verm layer, one takes the lid off to inculate correct?


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[Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #870699 - 09/09/02 12:07 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)



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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #870719 - 09/09/02 12:20 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)

yeah, thats what I thought, but I was hoping you could innoculate through a polyfil filter or something..


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #870787 - 09/09/02 12:49 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)

i unscrew the filter and squirt under it. i had 1 of 10 comtam last time. If you use polly-fill in a medal lid, you can punch a hole in the other side of the lid and tape it off. I havn't had any contams this way. I have no flow hood of glove box or anything. i do have a hepa for the room though. and a spray a little bleach.


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    #870873 - 09/09/02 01:35 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)



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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: matts]
    #871098 - 09/09/02 03:54 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)

could be. I also use the fp/mycosupply disks. they are stiffer and the exact right size so they stay on the ring. makes it a little easier. I still like the polyfill method though. less contam worries.


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #871106 - 09/09/02 03:59 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)

I've been stretching balloons over the lids. Makes a seal like the ones on the vials doctors draw shots from. Seals when you pull out.


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #871132 - 09/09/02 04:24 AM (19 years, 12 days ago)

but how is the balloon steril?


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #872248 - 09/09/02 12:16 PM (19 years, 12 days ago)

In reply to:

I've been stretching balloons over the lids. Makes a seal like the ones on the vials doctors draw shots from. Seals when you pull out.



In my experience, the hole left after puncturing stretched rubber most certainly is not sealed. My observations indicate that the hole usually grows due to the forces generated by stretching the rubber.


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #873148 - 09/09/02 08:20 PM (19 years, 11 days ago)

I have a friend who uses the polyfill lid method. One 1/4" hole in the middle of the lid has polyfill in it. Another 1/8" hole is drilled farther away from the middle, and covered with electrical tape during pressure cooking. He's found the electrical tape adheres well to the lid and holds up like a champ during pressure cooking.

For innoculation, he is there with syinge, electrical tape, scissors and alcohol flame. The sterilized needle is poked right through the taped-over hole and innoculates. Upon pulling the needle from the hole, he immediately re-covers it with another piece of electrical tape. VOILA!


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: robinhood2]
    #873175 - 09/09/02 08:34 PM (19 years, 11 days ago)

Why doesn't he just innoculate through the polyfill hole? I find it to be very self sealing.


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #873183 - 09/09/02 08:42 PM (19 years, 11 days ago)

CAN you inoculate through the polyfil?


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #873188 - 09/09/02 08:43 PM (19 years, 11 days ago)

I always do and I never have contamination from innoculation except when I have a bad syringe.


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #873205 - 09/09/02 08:54 PM (19 years, 11 days ago)

In reply to:

CAN you inoculate through the polyfil?




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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #875497 - 09/10/02 08:04 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

The ballon is on there in such a way that the top is loose, only streach is aroud the ring. The balloon is washed and then sterilized with the jars. I don't know if it would hold up in a PC. I only had one hole in the center of the ballon and streched it to the 4 holes. Works for me but where I am there isn't alot of trouble with contams. Too dry outside.


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #875661 - 09/10/02 09:19 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

cut a small hole in the lid and fill with silicone selent then use this it seels when you pull out if you use enouhf silicone


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: bluepoo]
    #875665 - 09/10/02 09:22 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

I have a feeling my 16 ga. needles would take a core sample.. :grin: 


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #875746 - 09/10/02 10:06 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

Whatever happened to the concept of four innoculation holes in the lid??
Innocultae and cover the holes with tape.
Sure as hell woroks for me.


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #875747 - 09/10/02 10:07 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

In reply to:

Whatever happened to the concept of four innoculation holes in the lid??



We're talking about shakeable grain, not PF jars..


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #875754 - 09/10/02 10:13 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

What? you assume I`m talking about pf jars??
I`ve never had a problem with grains and innoculating through the lid.


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #875757 - 09/10/02 10:16 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

I don't understand. Why you would choose to innoculate shakeable grain through four holes instead of one?


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #875761 - 09/10/02 10:18 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

More spore? more spawning points throughout the grain.
I let my grains get a footing before I shake the jars.
Sometimes after innocultaion but not always.
and I don`t always use all four holes.


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #875763 - 09/10/02 10:20 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

Four holes has no advantages to one hole when shaking grain. You should have a relatively large air space in the top and can easily spray the entire surface through one hole.


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #875767 - 09/10/02 10:23 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

Like I said on a previous post, isn`t it amasing how we've been given all these choices.
I agree with what you have to say and I most probably will do just that in future, but that still doesn`t mean doing it the way I have is necessarily wrong.
Possibly a little bit more effort but not wrong.


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #875769 - 09/10/02 10:28 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

Please don't misunderstand me. There is nothing that is necessarily wrong with what you're doing. It will still acheive the end goal of innoculating the grain. This I agree with 100%. The primary issues I see with this method are that innoculating through four holes not only increases the potential for contamination (four insertions of the needle vs. one), and it is more work -- four times the work per jar. Taking the disadvantages into account, I can see no advantages to innoculating through the four holes.


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #875778 - 09/10/02 10:33 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

I hear you and I realise that I was going a bit overboard and yes wasting time.
So in future I`ll do as you say and rather use one hole and desiperse the solution .


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: Roadkill]
    #876545 - 09/11/02 06:05 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

is there a prefered method in doing this? like going in the edge or the middle or what ever?


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #876565 - 09/11/02 06:17 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

Personally, I don't really think so. As soon as you see good growth, you're going to shake it to dispurse it. What I do is spray a little over the top layer and then immediately shake it.


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #876607 - 09/11/02 06:37 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

I meant about inserting the needle through the polyfil.  :tongue:


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #876678 - 09/11/02 07:02 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

i hear through the edge. i think mushmush.nl had the tek with pics. I always use an off center poly-fill hole, with an injection hole opposite of it. both work


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Re: question as to how one inculates without verm layr [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #876687 - 09/11/02 07:04 AM (19 years, 10 days ago)

I just stick the needle right through the center of the hole. This way, when the needle is removed, the polyfill around the hole expands and "seals" it.


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