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Lion
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Re: watching the breath [Re: Icelander]
#8706342 - 07/31/08 07:48 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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So the leopard in your sig is there to startle the monkey...
Maybe it eventually takes a back seat to "non-conceptual awareness" ("reality"), but that certainly won't happen by suppressing it or trying to make "it" stop thinking.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: watching the breath [Re: Lion]
#8706343 - 07/31/08 07:51 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I never said one had to "make" it do anything. What I understood is that the goal of meditation is the end of thinking whatever technique is used. You don't need to meditate to observe the monkey mind at work.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Icelander
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Quote:
WhiskeyClone said: Those monkey thoughts are a part of reality too.
IME it doesn't really stop, but it slows down.
slowing down is good I think.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: watching the breath [Re: Icelander]
#8706388 - 07/31/08 08:23 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I never said one had to "make" it do anything. What I understood is that the goal of meditation is the end of thinking whatever technique is used.
If you've reached "the end of thinking", how do you fill out your W2?
As Eckhart Tolle would say, it's compulsive thinking that's the problem.
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You don't need to meditate to observe the monkey mind at work.
No, but you might to keep from acting on every impulse it generates and becoming lost in thought.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: watching the breath [Re: Lion]
#8706397 - 07/31/08 08:27 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I mean stop thinking at certain times dood. When you want or need to.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: watching the breath [Re: Icelander]
#8706403 - 07/31/08 08:28 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Right
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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