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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: deranger]
    #8693896 - 07/28/08 07:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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SyntheticMInd said:
he's saying his words (and all) are bs.

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Knowledge is the fall of man - there is nothing to know, man makes it up as he goes along.







Is that what he's saying. :lol: Well that don't make it true.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: Icelander]
    #8693915 - 07/28/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

true.  but what is true?


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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: deranger]
    #8694097 - 07/28/08 08:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

a four letter word.

In this case true would be a best guess based on available evidence.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: Icelander]
    #8694265 - 07/28/08 08:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

In what way am I supposed to defend it? Who, or what, am I to defend it?

As much as you can look at your computer monitor and know it is there, I can see that there is nothing. When the ego disintegrates, and I see the world change what it is, how can it be denied? There's nothing I'm positing as an idea or a fact, everything I'm saying is based on self-evident perception. When I see that my actions are not being controlled but are occurring of themselves, and that I have returned to the intended state, I can see that all knowledge is useless. If exactly what is happening is perfect and complete, and I am not there, whatever else is there to do? At that point I have become the dream. What is there to know in a dream? The dream is self-actualizing. It's like putting your hands on the wheel.

The minute you start thinking in a dream it becomes a nightmare.


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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: burgatory]
    #8694320 - 07/28/08 08:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Well I find almost everything you state to be untrue or without evidence in my explorations of life. For instance,I can see that all knowledge is useless. You are using knowledge to make your reply to me. :tongue: I was hoping you could provide some evidence outside of what you claim to be self evident.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: Icelander]
    #8694717 - 07/28/08 09:35 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:
a four letter word.




:blush:


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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #8695546 - 07/29/08 12:37 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I think I will start a separate thread about the model for multiplicative human being modeling to clarify. (quite an unrelated idea in itself, I think I should have left it out since I couldn't give it a full introduction)



Oh I have to respond to this one statement though:

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If I say I have an ache in my body, who, aside from using equipment, can know whether it that is a true and accurate statement?  No one.





You are more right than you meant to be!
No one, not even you can know in all cases without the right equipment- a hypnotically suggested ache can be just as real as an environmentally induced one.

There are many mechanisms by which pain would be interrupted from reaching your brain in fact, from drugs to paralysis. We can't have your humanity failing just because you shoot some H! (even though Dr. Phil would really like that)


But enough about the side topic, clearly the usability of my model was too subjective.


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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #8696028 - 07/29/08 05:10 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you for using the word 'subjective' correctly in the post above.

:congrats:


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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8696299 - 07/29/08 07:59 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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PhanTomCat said:
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burgatory said:
The human race is not progressing. A language system, a thought pattern, a psychic construct is progressing.




What would the human race have to accomplish to be considered to be "progressing"....?


>^;;^<




Sainthood, in only the most positive meaning of the word.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself


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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: Icelander]
    #8696909 - 07/29/08 11:16 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Now you know how I feel. :wink: But I don't expect you to stop.

To everyone: please, let's not get started with the personalisms. Leave your debating counterpart out of the debate and hit the "Notify Moderator" button if someone is personalisming you. (Is that a real word?) :tongue:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: Diploid]
    #8697195 - 07/29/08 12:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

No, the "root" personalism isn't even a real word, for good reason/(unreason).


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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: Diploid]
    #8697299 - 07/29/08 12:40 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you.  That should suffice.


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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: daytripper23]
    #8697690 - 07/29/08 02:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

the "root" personalism isn't even a real word

a doctrine emphasizing the significance, uniqueness, and inviolability of personality

Merriam-Webster Online


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: daytripper23]
    #8697870 - 07/29/08 02:47 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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daytripper23 said:
No, the "root" personalism isn't even a real word, for good reason/(unreason).




keep trying :thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #8699433 - 07/29/08 08:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Senor_Hongos said:
Thank you for using the word 'subjective' correctly in the post above.

:congrats:




I was actually wondering if you would respond based on the validity of that word's context.

How would you define objective and subjective (without a dictionary)?


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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #8699786 - 07/29/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Objective - artificial point of culturally-instated commonsense, originating in dualism of the West, being the basis for Western society and science, developed into hysterical modern culture which is the cause-effect for taking dualism too far

Subjective - the manifest present, the perception without extraneous thought, the actual, true, complete perspective which is cosmic


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Wherever the hero may wander, whatever he may do, he is ever in the presence of his own essence — for he has the perfected eye to see. There is no separateness. Thus, just as the way of social participation may lead in the end to a realization of the All in the individual, so that of exile brings the hero to the Self in all.

joseph campbell


For, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

jesus


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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #8700110 - 07/29/08 11:26 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I've been considering devoting a thread to it due to the misunderstanding of the words.  A complete explanation would require at least that.


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Re: Acknowledging Subjectivity [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #8704250 - 07/30/08 08:27 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

at least


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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