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First casing pan: now what
    #8700993 - 07/30/08 05:43 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Hey folks...

My casing cherry has been popped and I've a pc eq aluminum pan sitting in the FC now for 3 days. I can see what appears to mycelial growth in places on the casing layer [btw this is one of the "easy" teks:verm + crumbled cakes + jiffy mix]. The problem now is that I hardly know what to do besides watch the temp and humidity, which is not optimal but slightly within or near optimal range 77-80 %and 80 degrees respectively.

In order to maintain these ranges I forced to leave the lid OFF the FC though the pan is still covered with its accompanying lid. Not sealed, it just sits on top. I keep perlite in the FC since it is large enough to fruit cakes in as well.

I'm just completely lost as to what regimen of maintenance should be applied insofar as:

1. misting 2. fanning. 3. early detection/prevention of overlay
as well as contamination, this latter my biggest concern. Could the soil layer become contaminated if I leave the lid off? Should I be initiating pinning now that I can see what seems to be mycelial growth on the casing layer?

I gace it a very brief, light misting, noticing some drying out around the edges of the pan. When I fan the FC the humidity does come down to about 74% but it does last long before going back up to 80-81%. The lid is on partially, across the width, rather than the length of the chamber for plenty of air.

Any pointers here are very much appreciated. Thank you all. Peace.


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Re: First casing pan: now what [Re: agua]
    #8701197 - 07/30/08 08:16 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

You need to get that rh up in the mid to upper 90s.


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Re: First casing pan: now what [Re: robanero]
    #8701422 - 07/30/08 09:53 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

74% is way too low , try using an fc with zero holes and fanning 5 times a day

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Re: First casing pan: now what [Re: Hauptperson69]
    #8704618 - 07/30/08 09:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

cut a hole in your lid,(to let light in) then cover hole with thick plastic duck tape it in place on both sides!!! now light gets in from the top,plus u can watch your growth! YAY!!! FAN 5-6 TIMES A DAY after faning jive a light mist to bring rh back up


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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.

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Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!

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Re: First casing pan: now what [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #8705221 - 07/30/08 11:32 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Now I am more confused, as this is in complete contradiction to the following-unless I have completely misunderstood...


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Overlay is the condition which results when mycelium has been allowed to completely cover the casing surface. It is caused by prolonged vegetative growth temperatures, high CO2 levels, and excessive humidity. If over watered, the overlay will become matted, or, will form a dense, dead layer of cells on the casing surface.

A casing showing signs of overlay will begin to shrink and pull away from the sides of the container. It will also become unreceptive to water, and puddles may form on the surface after misting. If any pinheads form, they will likely do so at the edges of the casing. Most of the pinheads will abort, and only a few mushrooms will fully mature. Once this has happened, the casing layer really isn't a casing layer anymore. It is no longer serving it's three main functions, and has in essence become a second layer of non-nutritious substrate.

As previously mentioned, overlay is caused by prolonged vegetative growth temperatures, high CO2 levels, and excessive humidity. It results when the grower does not take the proper steps to initiate pinning, or, when the grower initiates the pinning strategy too late. As a general rule of thumb, the initiation process should begin as soon as mycelium is first visible in the valleys of the casing layer (or, when you can just barley make it out underneath the surface of the casing). However, Psilocybe cubensis is a species which enjoys high mycelial momentum. Even after initiation of the pinning process, the mycelium will continue to grow for a period of time and consume more of the casing. This is why timing is critical.

1. Temperature & Cold Shocking

According to Stamets: The Mushroom Cultivator, the ideal temperature for Psilocybe cubensis during colonization of the substrate and initial colonization of the casing layer is 84-86 degrees Fahrenheit. A 10 degree drop in temperature to 74-78 degrees Fahrenheit is generally enough to initiate the pinning process.




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Re: First casing pan: now what [Re: agua]
    #8705224 - 07/30/08 11:33 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Oh yeah BTW the FC already has a clear top. :wink:


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Re: First casing pan: now what [Re: agua]
    #8705428 - 07/31/08 12:23 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Now I am more confused, as this is in complete contradiction to the following-unless I have completely misunderstood...
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i dont understand? they said the humidity should be in the 90's
the article you posted didnt say anything about humidity. how is that contradicting?

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Re: First casing pan: now what [Re: tripchip]
    #8705636 - 07/31/08 01:14 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i read you want 97-99% RH till you start to see pins, then once the pins come you want to do alot of fresh air exchange 3-xx times daily and mist the sides of tub to maintain RH, temp needs to be 75-80, and once the pins start to come you want to drop RH to 80-85% its all relative I am not even at that part yet but I am reading as much as I can, someone please correct me if i am wrong dont want to be giving out false advise, good luck m8


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Re: First casing pan: now what [Re: risndeath]
    #8705699 - 07/31/08 01:30 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Your temps should be between 72-74 although they will fruit in warmer temps.  Dont drop your humidity keep it in the high 90s.


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Re: First casing pan: now what [Re: Krez]
    #8705865 - 07/31/08 02:49 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

"Your temps should be between 72-74 although they will fruit in warmer temps.  Dont drop your humidity keep it in the high 90s. "

+1 :rockon:


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Re: First casing pan: now what [Re: agua]
    #8706534 - 07/31/08 09:24 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

agua said:
Now I am more confused, as this is in complete contradiction to the following-unless I have completely misunderstood...


Quote:

Overlay is the condition which results when mycelium has been allowed to completely cover the casing surface. It is caused by prolonged vegetative growth temperatures, high CO2 levels, and excessive humidity. If over watered, the overlay will become matted, or, will form a dense, dead layer of cells on the casing surface.

A casing showing signs of overlay will begin to shrink and pull away from the sides of the container. It will also become unreceptive to water, and puddles may form on the surface after misting. If any pinheads form, they will likely do so at the edges of the casing. Most of the pinheads will abort, and only a few mushrooms will fully mature. Once this has happened, the casing layer really isn't a casing layer anymore. It is no longer serving it's three main functions, and has in essence become a second layer of non-nutritious substrate.

As previously mentioned, overlay is caused by prolonged vegetative growth temperatures, high CO2 levels, and excessive humidity. It results when the grower does not take the proper steps to initiate pinning, or, when the grower initiates the pinning strategy too late. As a general rule of thumb, the initiation process should begin as soon as mycelium is first visible in the valleys of the casing layer (or, when you can just barley make it out underneath the surface of the casing). However, Psilocybe cubensis is a species which enjoys high mycelial momentum. Even after initiation of the pinning process, the mycelium will continue to grow for a period of time and consume more of the casing. This is why timing is critical.

1. Temperature & Cold Shocking

According to Stamets: The Mushroom Cultivator, the ideal temperature for Psilocybe cubensis during colonization of the substrate and initial colonization of the casing layer is 84-86 degrees Fahrenheit. A 10 degree drop in temperature to 74-78 degrees Fahrenheit is generally enough to initiate the pinning process.







Where did you get this quote and who's is it? Overlay is rare and from my understanding,I have never experienced it, happens when all those conditions happen at one time.

I think that that info is out dated or just wrong IMO.

I keep the rh as high as I can get it and my temps in the 70s all the time.


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